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Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back in Cuba

Elian Gonzales, now 11, spoke publicly for the first time Friday. He thanked Americans for returning him to his father, Castro and Cuba five years ago.

Elian Gonzalez, the young Cuban castaway whose international custody battle ended in his dramatic seizure from a Miami home five years ago, addressed a crowd of thousands Friday, thanking Cubans and Americans alike for fighting for his return to the island.

Elian thanked his family, Castro and the Cuban people for their help bringing him home. "I also want to thank the support given to our cause by the American people, which contributed greatly to my return," he said.

Elian said the day he returned was the happiest day of his life. His father spoke as well.

I have enjoyed the happy childhood of my son," the father said. His presence in Cuba "is proof that the mafia in Miami lost again."

[link via Raw Story.]

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    Well yes its his "Home".

    He may be happy, he may not be. You don't suppose that coersion is a possibility in Cuba?

    I'm stumped by this one, too. What does TalkLeft expect its readers to get out of a statement by anyone who lives under a brutal dictatorship? I was conflicted during the whole Elian Gonzales thing a few years ago and it was sadly funny to see both conservatives and leftists reverse positions so quickly. Those on the right were suddenly anti-family and those on the left suddenly supporting fathers' rights. The most hilarious bit, of course, was Eleanor Clifts' assertion that living under a communist dictator was a "lifestyle choice" that she would not criticize.

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#4)
    by Aaron on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:13:48 AM EST
    Mark, you should have stopped after your first sentence which, while reflecting overstatement, raises a very valid point. Was Elian standing on a box with a hood over his head and wires attached to his fingers (figuratively speaking) when he made the endorsement of Cuba? Probably so. But the rest of your diatribe is silly ad hominem.

    shorter Mark et al: Bring back Batista and the good ole days!

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#6)
    by Darryl Pearce on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:09:38 AM EST
    There's only one thing worse than being in a family feud: getting into between somebody else's family feud.

    Actually, Jim Largent took a very courageous stand regarding Elian Gonzalez:
    Sadly, Elian's well-being seems to have little effect on the poisonous political rhetoric coming from Miami and Washington. Some conservatives see this case as a long-sought opportunity to stick a finger in the eye of Fidel Castro. Let me say unequivocally that I am second to none in my dislike for Mr. Castro's totalitarian regime. But let's be reasonable. EliAn is a little boy who has lost his mother and desperately needs his father. This is a family issue, first and foremost. To forget that and allow our hatred for the Cuban regime to keep us from doing what is best for the child is shameful. It's already a tragedy that the child lost his mother; it would be a travesty for our government to come between him and his father. I came to Washington with the deep-seated belief that the family is sovereign. You can't be for family values and at the same time advocate that governments be allowed to come between a father and his child. What a tragic mistake it would be for society to allow the state or federal government to determine what's best for our children! But that's exactly what's happening in this tug-of-war over Elian Gonzalez.
    Amen.

    Ernesto, what a perfect parody of a leftist's reply: any anti-Castro comment is an explicit longing for the days of Batista!

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:47:29 AM EST
    Politics shouldn't interfere with the family unit. A child belongs with his/her parent, end of story.

    Would that the likes of Eleanor Clift might think fondly enough of the Cuban "lifestyle" that they might board rickety watercraft and make the perilous journey thereto. They would be missed.

    It's not their home, Ace.

    Oh yes it is, CA. More than you know! [Doctor Ace, you are over limit. Feel free to return another day.]

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#14)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 11:00:24 AM EST
    Since my first post was deleted, I will reiterate: John Bolton doesn't tell the truth, is trying to start a war with Cuba and is a very bad person. Is that better?

    Che, don't divert this thread to Bolton. It's about Elian Gonzales and Cuba. Off-topic comments are deleted.

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#9)
    by Walter on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 11:24:39 AM EST
    off topic comment deleted

    It is impossible for me to believe that 11-year old, Elian Gonzales went to “El Loco” and said, “Gee, Mr. Castro, I’d like to make a speech.” The alternative is that Castro is using poor little Elian to once again trick gullible Americans. To me, this “speech” proves that sending Elian back to Cuba was wrong. We know what Elian’s mother, Elisabeth Brotons, thought of life in Cuba. We can’t know what Elian’s father thinks of life in Cuba, because he has never been free to speak his mind. I believe that Juan Miguel Gonzalez loves Elian and missed him while Elian was in this country. But, I equally believe that Juan Miguel Gonzalez was heartbroken that the United States sent Elian back to Cuba. With all do respect, can someone explain to me why many on the Left think it is alright for impoverished Mexicans to come here illegally, but wrong for oppressed Cubans to seek asylum here? Elian mentioned his computer at school. It is a shame that the Cuban government has made it illegal to connect that computer to the Internet. What is the Cuban government hiding?

    Blaghdaddy, who's been to Cuba twice, the most recently in January of '04, doesn't know whether to laugh or cry about Elian Gonzales. What he CAN tell you is that on his first trip, when he suggested to a young woman with whom he'd become friendly that perhaps one day she'd be able to leave the island to visit HIS country, she recoiled in horror and told him that she'd never leave her beloved Cuba.... The same dancing girl performed in hotels with holes in her shoes, being unable to buy a new pair... Yes, some Cubans want to leave, others would stay, Blaghdaddy wonders who made it America's business to decide for them? If Bush can trade with China and Saudi Arabia, please, knock off the double-standard (and that useless embargo) and let Cubans have new shoes...if Castro wants to take credit for it, WHO CARES? Elian HAD to go back...anyone who would keep a child from his loving parent when the other has just died is ideological beyond the meaning of callous...parental rights are not usurped by political doctrine...at least, not in America...unless it wants to become exactly like those it attacks.

    I think it is great that Cubans can come to the U.S. and obtain asylum. I think we should afford it to more people from other countries. Haiti would be a good place to start.
    Haitian asylum seekers have been subjected to a nationality-based detention policy and deprived of meaningful assessments of the need for their continued detention by the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice; and
    Read this Human Rights First report. And our post on Bush's inhumane Haitian policy .

    It is incredible how conservatives will toss every ideal and value they hold true just to be "right" every time... -Cons stand for family values, right? -Cons feel the gov't has no place in the home or interfering with the raising of one's children, right? -Cons feel that the family unit is sacred, right? O.K., then how do conservatives: -Applaud a woman who snatched her son from their country without the father's consent, risked that boy's life to bring him to America, perishing herself in the bargain? -intrude into a boy's family unit and say that the America gov't knows more than this boy's father (who was never accused of neglect, abuse or anything that would justify violating his parental rights) about what's in his interest? -justify keeping this boy's father from taking him back by saying that he has lost his right to raise the boy because of his government's views? Isn't keeping this boy from his father as bad or worse than anything Castro could do to him? Finally, how many of you screamed murder when Arab men were running off to Muslim countries with children they'd spawned with their American wives? Now, those of you with your hands up, if you defended the attempt to keep Elian away from Dad, make a fist with that same hand and punch yourselves in the nose... If my wife had run off with my son, nearly killing him in the process, there'd be no place on earth she could hide, and if some foreign gov't decided to take it upon themselves to keep that son from me once I'd found him, I promise the world that I would have made Al-Zarkawi look like a BoyScout.... Or do we really think that risking a boy's life to make it better is worth it?

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#20)
    by Lindsay on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 01:45:41 PM EST
    Elian Gonzalez belongs with his father wherever they choose to live. I believe that one day we will hear from Elian and he will probably be a powerfull political force for a new Cuba.

    Isn't it ironic how the same people still belly-aching about "Elian and his poor mother" would gladly have shot them if they'd crawled under a fence in Arizona , and cheerfully shipped them back if they'd come on boatful of black Haitians. That, my friends, is Conservative Hypocrisy at its best.

    TL, You are absolutely right about the policy towards Haitians. I would only add that this policy precedes Bush and the majority of the blame for it goes back to Reagan and Rudy Giuliani, who when he was Assistant AG for Law Enforcement (number three at DOJ), visited Baby Doc Duvalier for a day (who told him that there was no repression in Haiti) and Rudy swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

    By the way, that was Setve Largent, the former congressman, not Jim Largent. I do have some advice for Haitian asylum seekers here.

    Save the advice: Blaghdaddy'd tell them to learn Spanish, stay out of the sun for awhile and hop the next tire-raft that passes by on the tidal drift...then they'll have a fighting chance.

    Blaghdaddy: I read your link and could not find a line in there where someone gladly shot someone. An assumption I guess. I do agree with shipping all illegal aliens back reguardless of race, creed or color, religion, or marital status. Illegal is illegal. I am trying to think of the Seinfeld Character who talked in third person in the basketball shoe episode. He must of wrote your other post.

    3:37 above was mine... Wile E., too bad you don't have Bush's ear the way a dozen of Batista's former mafia chieftains do.

    You're correct on both points! First, Blaghdaddy was engaging in a litte hyperbole with the "shot" comment, but when one of these yahoos does shoot someone (and it's inevitable with the nuts coming out of the woodpiles), you can lay it at the feet of the same people cheering the Minutemen on...oui ou non? Second, the episode to which we both refer was the one in which psycho-Jimmy had Blaghdaddy in tears...so if you're implying that Blaghdaddy ripped off the literary device...you're right again!

    what a perfect parody of a leftist's reply: any anti-Castro comment is an explicit longing for the days of Batista!
    Hey, like it's my fault that's who Castro replaced, one of our dozens of very own stooge dictators. That's not parody, that's historical perspective. Oh I am sorry...of course Elian should be hijacked and held hostage in the Land of The Free, where 5 year olds get handcuffs slapped on them by the cops for a temper tantrum?

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimcee on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 08:06:30 PM EST
    I think Soldier has it about right. Elian would have had a more free life in the US than in Cuba. He will probably do well in Cuba because he is now an icon, a tool of propaganda for Fidel who can't afford to have this kid come off in a bad light so maybe he's better off in Cuba but I doubt it very much. He is now a propaganda tool for Fidel and if that makes the likes of Che's Lounge feel better and smug that's OK because everyone knows that brainwashing works best on the young which of course isn't child abuse now is it? Idealogues really, really suck.

    It sure is great to hear so many people on the Left, singing the praises of family values, even if you don’t know the tune. It won’t be long before you guys are quoting the Bible about turning swords into plowshares. Of course, I realize that some people are trying to argue that the Right is being inconsistent. Recently, the Left criticized the Bush administration for not leaving the Terri Schiavo case to the courts. But the Left was fine when a different administration defied the courts in the Elian Gonzales case. Inconsistency is a double-edged sword. What I find really amazing is the amount of ire my post generated. Guess what guys, you won this one. Five years ago, Elian Gonzales was sent back to Cuba. Sounds like some of you still have some pent-up guilt about it.

    I know, I know. We really should find a way to get rid of Castro. Then, we can nation build Cuba to the point where it's citizens can enjoy the same high quality lifestyle that people in Latin America and the Middle East now enjoy. Whenever the demonized man of the day is gone, Conservatives return to their nominal state of ethnocentrism and the unreported actual state of affairs for the average citizen of the targeted nation is no longer a matter of much concern. Only then will the Cuban People be allowed to fulfill their best destiny: to clean hotel rooms, deal cards, and serve drinks to vacationers...and have their employer's profits be shipped back to the U.S.

    As to the difference accorded the Haitians and the Cubans, as we wrote in January, 2003:
    Last December, President Bush signed an Executive Order declaring a new policy that all immigrants arriving in the U.S. illegally by ship would be detained pending final decisions on their asylum claims. All except Cubans, who under a law passed in 1966, are allowed to remain in the community, with relatives or sponsors. The Executive Order allows the INS to continue to detain the Haitians even after an immigration judge has ordered them released on bail. The Government says it detains Haitians as a deterrent to others in Haitai trying to make the journey to the U.S. Critics attack the discriminatory treatment, asking why Haitians must remain in jail while Cubans are allowed to remain at liberty. The Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center has been providing legal services to the Haitians and others for the past six years. The Government gives them four booths at the Miami Krohn Detention Center in which to meet with clients. Recently the Government took the booths away from the Group, leaving the immigrants with no legal counsel. We agree with the [Catholic Bishops letter] that the detention of Haitians is "unfair and morally reprehensible." The Bishops charged in a press statement that "the federal government, through the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, has failed to articulate a compelling moral or security-based rationale for the continued detention of those who seek only freedom for themselves and their children from political persecution and human rights violations in Haiti."


    It was a difficult,unusual situation. Will we ever know if this was the right decision? Probably not, but I'm glad he was returned to his Dad. I also think a great and powerful country like the U.S. shouldn't be afraid of dialogue with Cuba when we can dialogue and trade with China. Make that turn over all of our manufacturing to a country like China.

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 06:18:21 AM EST
    Well said blagh. If Elian was from Mexico/Haiti/El Salvador/Honduras/Guatemala, there would be a lynch mob demanding he be shipped back.

    "Only then will the Cuban People be allowed to fulfill their best destiny: to clean hotel rooms, deal cards, and serve drinks to vacationers...and have their employer's profits be shipped back to the U.S." Ever hear of a guy named Arturo Sandoval, Tamp?

    First of all, it's not true that Cubans are not allowed to use the internet. I have online friends in Cuba with whom I correspond frequently. Second, Elian's mother left Cuba primarily because she was boning a guy who was leaving, not because her life in Cardenas was so unspeakably horrible. Third, even though his speech screams "government propaganda," of course Elian is happy to be with his father, and happy to be in Cuba. That's his family, and his country. And his dad earns a much better living than most Cubans. Finally, I'd like to thank whoever is responsible for bringing up the whole Elian affair again. Reminiscing about those days when his that certifiably loony cousin of his, Marisleysis, was on TV every night always brings a smile to my face. Good times, good times.

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 09:57:23 AM EST
    Cuba should not be criticized for their economic system. The majority of Cubans are far better off than before the revolution, especially in regards to healthcare and education. Not that it's any of our business. Cuba should be criticized for limiting free speech and the free expression of ideas. As should China and Saudi Arabia and many others. With all the propaganda spouted by the US govt., it's hard to know what is true and what isn't. I do believe the accounts of Sandoval and Renaldo Arenas, and the crimes against freedom committed by the Cuban govt. cannot be defended.

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#38)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:38:32 AM EST
    "Ms.Clift,are you now,or,have you ever been,a member of the communist party?" LOL. The worst part is,I dont think he's kidding.

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#39)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:52:15 AM EST
    Democracy is majority rule. The exercise of Democracy has less than nothing to do with the automatic insertion into power of "high-visibilty" corporate shills, with gargantuan war chests - though the wingers all seem to believe that scenario is the very essence of the process. Cuba was a popular revoloution. Six words for all the wingers - tough t*tty,and,none of your business.

    Noname, it is pretty common knowledge that an Internet connection is illegal in much of Cuba. But don’t believe me, pick a website you trust and check the info there. I would suggest the "unbiased" Amnesty International site. And your comment about the reason Elisabeth Brotons left Cuba is extremely degrading to women. Is that what you really think? kdog, personal freedom and economic freedom are two sides of the same coin. One can’t exist without the other.

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#41)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 12:02:24 PM EST
    Soldier - The people of a nation are free to organize thier society in anyway they see fit. That concept too tough for you? Again,mind your own business,and,cast the mote out of your own eye.

    Now what kind of empire would Rome have been if they just let other nations remain free to organize their society anyway they saw fit?

    Sure, Jondee. And the "people" who disagree with Castro in even the slightest degree how their society should be organized get popped. Hello..........

    So far, little of the winger's diatribe here has been constructive, instead infering that living in Cuba must be akin to the 6th level of hell. Instead, lets rebuild their society for them, so they can have hospitals with no supplies, schools with no teachers or books, faucets without clean potable water or lights and AC where there is no electricity. Ooooh, our own little Iraq, just off our shores, wouldn't that be fun?

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 02:59:37 PM EST
    Ace - Dont even go there. Its all too obvious that you subcribe to the view that "its only democracy when we say so." (how very democratic). The U.S did everything in its power short of full-scale invasion,or,dropping the big-one to destroy Cuba as a functioning nation,and,impose the maximum degree of suffering on the Cuban people - in an oh-so-nonsecular,democratic way of course. Well guess what? You failed. And again I say tough t*tty.

    Soldier, I've received e-mail from the wives of some of the dissidents who were jailed in 2003.

    Re: Elian Gonzales, Now 11, is Thankful to be Back (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 04:48:26 PM EST
    Perhaps Soldier, but it has never been attempted. I'm no fan of communism personally, but I am not so bold as to say it can't work for others. No where in Marx's manifesto does it state that the right to free speech and expression must be surpressed in order for the communal economic system to function. One more thing about Elian...a child belongs with his father or mother, a child doesn't belong to communism or capitalism.

    No dice, Jondee. Cuba is no democracy; it doesn't matter what you say. It's all very Orwellian, but there is no debate when you refuse to face facts.

    There are two sides on this issue. One side, applying reason, common sense and laws well established over 200 years, comes to the radical conclusion that a child should be returned to his sole surviving loving parent. The other side, overcome by rank emotionalism and hypocritical, highly selective cable news induced blind rage, comes to believe in the anti-principle that just this one time a boy should be taken from his loving father and given to his drunk uncle and second cousin. Where is the clamoring for asylum WITH PARENTAL APPROVAL for all the little boys and girls from Haiti, Sudan, Iran, Rwanda, Nigeria, China, Vietnam, Pakistan, Darfur, Congo, Cambodia, Egypt, North Korea . . . . Untill you people people come out in favor of open borders and blanket asylum for all children from any dictatorship, SHUT UP! Unless you favor preferential rights for drunken uncles and second cousins over loving fathers in all custody disputes, SHUT UP!