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By Jeralyn, Section Foreign Affairs
Posted on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 05:13:45 PM EST
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The BBC reports a woman has been stoned to death in Afghanistan for adultery and that it is the second stoning of a woman for the offense since we deposed the Taliban in 2001. She is identified by Reuters as a 29 year old named Amina. Reuters says it's the first stoning since President Hamid Karzai took office.

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    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#1)
    by cp on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 05:27:52 PM EST
    "the more things change, the more they remain the same." and did someone really believe these people were going to go from the 12th century, to the 21st, overnight?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 06:22:18 PM EST
    Tell me again how our war in Afghanistan has improved the lot for women in that country? Did Congress enact any law to save this woman's life? Did Bush fly back to DC from Crawdad sign a recommendation on her life? This seems like a setback for the culture of life.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:11:33 PM EST
    Now don't tell me! she was not a good person? or asked to remove the veil or did she talk back? if she did i know bush is sad for that death by stone cold freedom.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#4)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:45:19 PM EST
    The concept of honor killing seems to be hard to wipe out. It travels well, with reports from Britain, France, and Holland. Possibly other places, as well, but the insistence that tolerance isn't tolerance if it doesn't tolerate the intolerable may be understating the reporting. This is what is known as the ROPMSAF, or, in English, the Religon of Peace My Sweet Aunt Fanny. It is interesting to see the left take an interest in such things, now that there's a possibility of blaming Bush. I notice you haven't blamed Blair in England, Chirac in France, or what'sisname in Holland. Or that Taliban while they were in power. How about Nigeria? Lots of that stuff going on in Nigeria, and in India. How about the acid-throwing, while you're concerned about violence against women? I mean, there's lots of room to get going here. You really ought to try harder to seem, I dunno, honest or something.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimcee on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:45:50 PM EST
    So how many women were stoned to death prior to the fall of the Taliban on a yearly basis? If it was less than before then that is an improvement now isn't it? Overall, like it or not the life of everyone in Afghanistan is better now than it was five years ago. Oh, wait, a correction, every one except those who thought the Taliban was the bee's knees. Yeah it ain't perfect but there's less stonings today than there was before the coalition's involvement. Not to mention the they actually use the soccer stadium in Kabul for sports now instead of beheadings. But somehow that isn't negative enough for the Talk Left crowd. Pessimism and negativity is a really hard sell but seems to be the stock in trade of the Left.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 07:49:06 PM EST
    CA - The best example is that what happened to her was routine and accepted without comment under the Taliban. That is no longer true, and there is hope that it will be condemned and stopped. What else it proves is how seriously flawed the Islam faith has become, and how despartely it needs a Martin Luther.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 08:07:00 PM EST
    Not sure how the stats on stoning to death have gone the past few years, but the ole CIA-funding heroin trade has been on the exponential increase in them there parts.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 08:33:39 PM EST
    Actually, this is improvement. Apparently only two stonings since the Taliban took to the hills and caves. But these habits don't go away easily. It seems to me that we should all do our part to reduce the incidence of brutality and barbarism in the world. I am not sure we accomplished much of that by killing thousands of Afghanis. Fewer stonings since we started shooting and bombing folks, but all in all, I still can't feel good about it. Except for our interest in the gas and oil pipelines, I don't think our government cares about much in Afghanistan.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 08:47:52 PM EST
    CA - If we had not invaded Afghanistan, with the killings you refer to, most of which were Taliban, do you think there would be ANY improvement?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#11)
    by Sailor on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 08:52:44 PM EST
    I don't know the stats on stoning pre/post taliban; no one does. But I do know that opium production and shipments are WAY up since we 'brought freedom' there.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:11:02 PM EST
    I think if we wanted improvement in these kind of stats we could have accomplished improvement without a war. If we put no energy into it, there would be no improvement. The US and the rest of the world did so little in Rwanda, Burundi, and the Congo about ten years ago. We do very little today about the killing and genocide happening in Darfur, Sudan. Apparently no strategic interest in the African Great Lakes or Sub-Saharan Africa. The US could have used its military muscle in these situations like the muscle was used in the Balkans, but it didn't happen. You want to think about how and why we decide where to intervene? You think we went after the Taliban because it was not a kind govt to women?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#13)
    by cp on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 09:51:40 PM EST
    actually, we went into afghanistan because the gov't, under the taliban, refused to even consider extradition proceedings for osama bin laden, in violation of international laws and norms. i do believe we had/have an extradition treaty with afghanistan. in essence, the taliban, for a fee, were knowingly providing safe haven to an internationally sought after criminal. of the two wars, the one in afghanistan was at least legitimate, in the eyes of both a super-majority of the u.s. population, as well as most of the rest of the world. the same cannot be said of iraq. unfortunately, islam, like christianity in the united states, has been hijacked and distorted, beyond all recognition, by nutcases, and those seeking power, influence and riches. they've subverted it to their cause, not mohammed's. it is used to legitimize that which would otherwise be criminal, such as "honor" killings, and the general suppression of women, in those areas of the world that espouse a harsh version of islam. not really what allah or mohammed had in mind.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 24, 2005 at 10:48:01 PM EST
    freedommmmmm!!!

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 03:44:24 AM EST
    TL: Don't forget about honor killings in Europe and North America: World: Europe Grapples with Honor Killings of Women- Germenay- didn't we liberate them? Honor Killings: For the Female Protection Indy news article about France and NY. UK: Honor killing over love song dedication- UK. Britain Examines 'Honor Killings'- UK again. Honor killing in Toronto - Canada. A five year old girl! A small selection. What is more shocking? Killings in Afghistan or Europe? Which one excites people more on this site?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 06:04:22 AM EST
    It's sad that this crap still goes on in many parts of the world. I'd love for the world to join the 21st century, but you can't bomb them into it. And as much as I despise the lying, cheating, sumbeatch president....stonings aren't his fault.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 06:56:02 AM EST
    True enough, kdog.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:03:19 AM EST
    Taliban ffers to turn over Osama. And Dubya declines.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:04:51 AM EST
    Bush declines.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:07:36 AM EST
    Can't do html this early in the morning, not enough caffeine in the system. Will try one last time, then I will give up and concede that must be right to have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan because the technology won't allow rebuttal. Duba declines

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:08:31 AM EST
    And I don't think that stoning is right either, just to move this back toward the topic a tad.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#21)
    by aw on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:35:32 AM EST
    Isn't this what the Dominionists want to bring to the US? Biblical rule?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:39:02 AM EST
    Funny you should mention injustices in Europe and in the same breath question why libs are not bellyaching about it. Simple really, Bush campaigned on freeing "women of cover" and used the lack of humanity as just another reason to invade the middle east. When our government begins touting our reform success in Germany, England etc, then I will feel obliged to jump on the bandwagon for these types of stories. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot scream at the top of your lungs how you freed the women in that society and hide for cover when account after account of oppression is revealed. Women are still afraid, still wearing burkas, still getting beat and it would appear that twice have been stoned. Where is the outrage by the repubs? Is it because she was not a brain dead christian white woman?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:40:42 AM EST
    Since someone apparently relishes parading off topic, and then accusing others of following suit... "PRESIDENT Bill Clinton turned down at least three offers involving foreign governments to help to seize Osama Bin Laden after he was identified as a terrorist who was threatening America, according to sources in Washington and the Middle East." The article is by way of the UK Sunday Times. Pay particular attention to the top-secret CIA mugshots along the top border ;-)

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:43:45 AM EST
    unfortunately, islam, . . . has been hijacked and distorted, beyond all recognition, by nutcases, and those seeking power, influence and riches. they've subverted it to their cause, not mohammed's.
    I am not enough of a student of Islam to make a rational statement about what Mohammed's opinion of this would have been - but it is difficult to make a case that the extremes of Muslim fundamentalism are doing it for the highlighted reasons. They do it out of belief, misguided or not.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:45:48 AM EST
    Jlv, you have posted the perfect, yes, PERFECT! post to illustrate RA's point: "You really ought to try harder to seem, I dunno, honest or something." If you disagree, then just what exactly is the purpose of your post? Got a better idea? Bring it on.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 08:16:53 AM EST
    CA - Nice try, but some of us read the link: "For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US " Are you really that naive? This was just an attempt to borrow time to allow the Taliban to prepare for the invasion. But let's assume it actually happened. Now let me see, where would the trial be? Egypt? Syria? Iran? JL - Why can't you admit that the situation has improved, but is not perfect? It will take years for the culture to change, and only then if we keep a steady pressure on them. And only then if the west, as a group, rejects these "honor" killings out of hand, and condemns them loudly and often. Sometimes diversity has its downside.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#27)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 08:32:19 AM EST
    It hasn't improved enough to warrant kudos ppj.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#28)
    by Adept Havelock on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 09:18:22 AM EST
    You just have to love those patriarchal religions that preach women should "submit graciously" to their men-folk. Who is really surprised when it leads to something like this....

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 09:41:26 AM EST
    JL - Any change rates kudos. While, at the same time, pushing for more.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 09:55:01 AM EST
    Tour Afghanistan!

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 10:10:29 AM EST
    PPJ: Kudos on the changes in the capital. Beyond that, druglords/warlords are still running the country and life is not better beyond Kabul.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 10:40:57 AM EST
    http://www.undp.org.af/nhdr_04/pdfs/keyfindings_final.pdf From the Human Development Report. Life in Afghanistan.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:15:59 AM EST
    jlv, your behavior bags the question: Do you really want to see improvement in these people's lives, or do you actually slaver for failure in Afghanistan because success there would fly in the face of your petty GWB hating, conservative hating dogma? Be honest.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:16:47 AM EST
    I meant to type "begs", but "bags" works, too.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#35)
    by Walter on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:21:08 AM EST
    the warloards/drugloards probably have seen a lot of improvment.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 11:35:23 AM EST
    Doc, I don't hate GWB, I dislike a good portion of his policies and some of his appointments, but I don't hate the man. Benny Hinn, I hate him and wish he would die a complicated death. I hate Fidel Castro for a variety of reasons. I hate OBL not because of 9-11 but because he uses religion to incite hate. I will have to think about who else I really "hate" but that is a start. Doc, I want change in Afghanistan and I want to trust that when my government blows sunshine up my arse about the living conditions in another country, that there is some semblance of truth to the warmth i am feeling in my rectum. Afghanistan is a very dangerous place for its residents and is being run by the warlords and druglords, that is undisputed. I understand that progress takes time and money, but I don't hear any rallying cries from this administration regarding financing or long term planning for Afghanistan. The situation is far too complex to resolve in an exchange of ideas on a blog, that I will grant however, please stop with the rainbow in the desert stories. The situation in afghanistan is marginally improved at best since the overthrow of the taliban and that is sad. We have the power to shut down the warlords, druglords and establish law and order in that country city by city, if we care enough. Problem is, we don't.....

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 12:24:28 PM EST
    Ace.... Do you really want to see improvement in these people's lives, or do you actually slaver for the slightest sign of victory in Afghanistan because failure there would fly in the face of your petty GWB worshipping, liberal hating dogma? Be honest

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#38)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 12:25:36 PM EST
    Kdog, Thanks, much better response than my windbagged one. Actually, I don't think a better response was possible than yours.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 01:09:42 PM EST
    Thanks, kdog. Jlvngstn, he has a kind of haiku blogging style where he can say in one sentence what it takes me 4 paragraphs to say.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 01:18:03 PM EST
    Just came from the 1 in 138 in US jails post. Sarcastic, if you see this would you still say, "she broke the law" If she didn't like the law she should have worked to change it? This shows the worst side of theocratic authoritarian rule and illustrates where justice Old Testament style would be in the hands of literalist Theocrats. As a rather opinionated woman who has experienced the cold silence that comes from venturing opinions in the male circles of other cultures, I'm sure if I lived in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or anywhere where unruly girls aren't appreciated I'd be on the short list of the 'let's get rid of them" crowd. When I read this I can almost taste it. And yes, it's horrifying. I hope that if we were blogging in TL Afghanistan none of you would think i should be stoned to death for some things I've said, but I'm afraid I can't believe that - statistically some of you would. : (

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 02:01:21 PM EST
    My pleasure J...that was just too easy, I couldn't resist. mfox...damn right. She broke the law! She knew the risks of being a woman in Afghanistan! She should write letters to her local cleric, and accept her punishment.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 02:12:08 PM EST
    I disagree, jlv. I found your response more informative than kdog's. Why don't you contact your reps with your ideas about improving conditions in Afghanistan? btw, kdog, I have reservations about many of GWB's policies, and I am liberal, myself, but not leftist. Your copying my sentence style doesn't quite fit because I did not post the opposite things that jiv posted.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 03:45:36 PM EST
    Sounds to me like Freedom on The March.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 04:41:57 PM EST
    Ace...I agree JLV's response was far better than mine, mine was tongue in cheek. But if you have genuine concern for the plight of women in Afghanistan, you must admit things are no better there, at least outside of Kabul. Let's be honest and admit the US invasion of Afghanistan was about disrupting AQ and hitting back after 9/11, not about improving womens lives over there. If their lives end up improving, great. But I seriously doubt it. One invasion can't cancel out thousands of years of cultural indoctrination and religous insanity. It does wonders for quenching the thirst of revenge though.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#45)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 05:25:39 PM EST
    What can I say? I was a Hindu living in Afghanistan and had to witness so many cruelities between 1962 and 1999 when i left the country where my forefathers were born. What annoys me is that there is no value for a woman's life there! Often women whose husbands died in action, were taken and SOLD as commidities in Heera Mandi Lahore, Pakistan. It is a practice valid to date and all these so called Islamic Scholars must hang their heads in Shame for subjecting their own women to this unimanigable slavery. I wonder if Islam is a way of life valid to this day and date. It has to move according to the times and must respect emancipation in a positive way same as the Christians, Hindus and Jews. Woman is the natural source of human rebirth and how can these IDIOTS stone a woman solely on the basis of some vague statement given by her husband who was away for 5 years in Iran and never looked after her? Mullahs, you have lost your plot!!!

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 05:36:19 PM EST
    I) The Qur`anic punishment of 100 lashes is for the case of an unmarried person. For a married person we need to turn to the Sunnah/Hadith, which prescribes death by stoning. II) For married persons, the Sunnah/Hadith abrogated the Qur`anic penalty of 100 lashes and instead prescribed death by stoning.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 05:47:44 PM EST
    Yes, kdog, I know your comment was tongue-in-cheek. Remember, all, Afghanistan was invaded with intent to conquer by the Soviets in 1979. Cool, do you feel the US invasion will help the Afghans, including the women?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#48)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:07:57 PM EST
    Unfortunately doc, there is a general consensus amongst this administration that afghanistan is doing well and I don't believe they are taking suggestions from blogheads. If they do ask for a suggestion sheet from those of who blog all day, I will be first in line to share my thoughts.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:11:33 PM EST
    I'm profoundly sorry kooldoc that you've had to see such hate. I can deeply sympathise with people who are hated or considered sub-human for reasons that they cannot control and aren't their fault in any way. PBS recently aired a special called Death of a Princess It's very informative and seems honest to me but the part that I want to point out is that there are many people who feel strongly that Islam is not against women and that the Kur'an (sp?) does not advocate the violent repression used to extort the people. One woman says that "Mohammed preached that the people decide who will lead them". If we're helping, fine. But please be honest and check the facts and realize that women have been treated like this forever, but it's our lower selves that sucumb or excuse this behavior - religion or not. As far as I can tell all of the Abrahamic religions are stories that teach us how to live together in civilization - by love and forgiveness and helping the poor live decent lives with at least BASIC dignity and freedom. Three hundred years ago we defined the idea of free will - the ability to make choices that says that every man is capable of doing right and participating in the electorate. It's to the shame of the entire human race that this democratic idea trails so miserably behind man's quest fr the same.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#50)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 07:15:41 PM EST
    yikes! That last sentence again... It's to the shame of the entire human race that this democratic idea for women trails so miserably behind man's quest for the same. My URL link and other buttons aren't working right . Death of a Princess was aired on Frontline and I recommend it highly as an amazingly insightful documentary.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 25, 2005 at 08:38:43 PM EST
    mfox writes - "It's very informative and seems honest to me but the part that I want to point out is that there are many people who feel strongly that Islam is not against women" I have daughters. This is an issue that gets me going, whether it is here, or in the middle of no place. Feeling about something, and actually being correct, is two different things. Islam is about as bad on women's rights as it is possible to be. The honor killings are real. One of the most despicable things I have seen in a long time was the killing of a young woman in a soccer stadium by shooting her in the back of the head. The hanging of a 16 year old girl, child, actually was real. There is no way that this should be excused. There is no way. Period. The Islamic religion must come past this. It must confront it. Yet, it does not. That speaks volumes to me anout the so-called "moderates." I do not know how any educated American can accept this, yet I see the Left in major universities shrugging and making excuses. It reminds me of the fellow travelers shrugging and making excuses for Stalin killing millions.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#52)
    by Walter on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 02:08:53 AM EST
    So what are you suggesting....that we invade Afganistan and stop these practices?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#53)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 02:38:54 AM EST
    Walter, PPJ is saying that the only good Muslim is one that's dead. Oh and it's the fault of the "Left" that there aren't more good, dead Muslims.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#54)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 06:10:05 AM EST
    "I don't believe they are taking suggestions from blogheads" jvl, there's only one way to find out and that's to DO it. They can't read your mind. If you believe enough in your ideas to trumpet them here, why don't you follow through?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#55)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 06:11:13 AM EST
    Ernesto - Don't you put words in my mouth. What I said was that the Islamic faith treats women in a totally unacceptable manner, and that it does not deserve to be accepted within the mainstream of American life until it rejects that behavior. Ernesto, why do you attack Christians, yet ignore this facet of the Moslem faith? I think you do so because everything to you is political. You hate Bush and you hate the Repubs, so anything that is in opposition to Bush and the Repubs is your ally. That easily explains your "US Bad" attitude. BTW - The other day you commented that 9/11 was America's fault because we gave the terrorists weapons to fight the Soviets. When I reminded you that was no reason for them to atack us, and asked you what we had done to deserve the attack, I never received an answer. Walter - No. That we reject that behavior, and that we pressure so-called Moslem leaders to reject it.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#56)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 06:11:19 AM EST
    PPJ: I love how you link the article which documents a sick killing and then attribute the left with complicity without any links. Please provide the links to the lefties that support the hanging of the 16 year old girl. We are all waiting.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#57)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 06:13:34 AM EST
    Doc, what makes you think I have not contacted my state senator on several occasions regarding policy issues? Rather presumptuous aren't you? Truth is, when I disagree with something I write a letter to my state representative and in some cases the local paper to voice my opposition. Truth be told, I hope you do as well.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 06:16:13 AM EST
    PPJ: I agree, there should be outrage from the islamic leadership over the ridiculous and inhumane treatment of women, but that does not preclude them from a spot in MSA unless they commit the atrocities here and is sanctioned by the local cleric.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 09:32:24 AM EST
    C'mon boys...they don't read the letters unless there is a check enclosed.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#60)
    by Walter on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:02:05 AM EST
    so how exactly do you put pressure on a "so-called" Moslum God to reject it? Have the God that talks to President Bush give um a ring?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#61)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 10:32:17 AM EST
    To cool-docUK, You must understand in all third world people's no matter in the maideast or so called south america, woman mean nothing, only away to have son's..and with the mass numbers of third world people coming to The USA And Canada and Europe will someday become the cesspool the third world is. the murder of woman is normal as can be, so what can people do about it, nothing in the first world, only in the third world ideals can it be done-away-with. it all comes down to how people look at the world, and if people want murder it will be what people want.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#62)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 03:34:17 PM EST
    That is ok doc, my solution called for the US spreading the wealth of contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan to as many other countries as possible in an effort to spread goodwill and request greater assistance. It requires significant and sincere apologies to UN officials behind closed doors for our defiance combined with a strong request to garner military support to weed out the drug lords. Which of course we all know is not going to happen with this administration.....

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#63)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:32:12 PM EST
    mfox - No comment? What does the ME studies group at Harvard have to say? Did you read the link? JL - The so-called Middle Eastern Studies departments in the so called elite Ivy League schools have been making excuses for years. Did you read the link? If so, why doesn't it sicken you? Walter - Did you read the link? If so, why doesn't it sicken you was well?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#64)
    by Richard Aubrey on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:45:14 PM EST
    Up until about ten, or maybe twelve, years ago, this was a different issue. The multiculturalists, the cultural relativists, and the feminists had a difficult dance on this stuff, mainly since they were usually the same people. It was difficult to be appalled at such stuff on odd-numbered days and non-judgmental on even-numbered days. Eventually, there came a split. Some of the folks broke for one side (appalled) the other for the (huh? What?) side. That was entertaining, since practically everybody involved was going back on various things they'd said over the years. The appalled folks pretended they'd never meant THAT was okay. Just, maybe, eating snails or something. The huh? folks refused to address the issue altogether, leaving the impression they hadn't heard about it. To add a hilarious third ingredient to this comedy-at-the-improv situation, Bush was the one who booted the Taliban and al Q. So neither side could approve. That meant the previous appalleds had to switch to huh? What a hoot. Meantime, the conservatives who had been appalled all along--getting hammered for being judgmental and getting hammered for not ordaining women or something--get to watch the left on this. If it weren't for the obscenely vile way women are treated in those societies, it would be unalloyed fun.

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#65)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:53:03 PM EST
    "Making excuses". Just like youve been making excuses for cluster bombs and water-boarding("prove it dosnt work" "frat-pranks" etc). PPJ,you youve been shilling for the guy who, while he was gov of Texas,was trying to lower the age in which juveniles could tried for capital crimes. But, of course,hes not a muslim - with valuable real estate. How bout we split the difference and you just DONT plug a mullah for president?

    Re: Afghan Woman Stoned to Death (none / 0) (#66)
    by jondee on Tue Apr 26, 2005 at 04:57:59 PM EST
    Apalled by stonings on odd number days and doing a neocon endzone dance for "shock and awe" on even number days - right after they got done being "appalled".

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