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U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse

Up until now, most of the details of prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay have come from the detainees. Now, an American soldier has come forward to corrorborate the existence of treatment that violates the Geneva Conventions.

Erik Saar, an Arabic speaker who was a translator in interrogation sessions, has produced a searing first-hand account of working at Guantánamo. It will prove a damaging blow to a White House still struggling to recover from the abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq.

In an exclusive interview, Saar told The Observer that prisoners were physically assaulted by 'snatch squads' and subjected to sexual interrogation techniques and that the Geneva Conventions were deliberately ignored by the US military. Saar paints a picture of a base where interrogations of often innocent prisoners have spiralled out of control, doing massive damage to America's image in the Muslim world.

Saar was a Bush supporter in 2000. He says Guantanamo changed his outlook.

Two more links: The allegations by Omar Deghayes that he was blinded in one eye and tortured at Guantanamo, and this report (pdf) by the Center for Constitutional Rights, consisting of the statements of detainees Shafiq Rasul, Asif Iqbal and Rhuhel Ahmed, is a must-read.

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  • Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#1)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:51 PM EST
    its not the U.S. Army doing this its bush and gang, anyway the Army is not at Guantanamo, its at the other place.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:53 PM EST
    The army, CIA, contractors etc. have done the bidding of the Dubya and Alberto without significant review of the Nuremberg trials. The most serious war criminals are the people like Dubya and Alberto who came up with this plan, but the patsies will be people like Karpinski, who took no part other than to stand aside and remain silent when things going on within her command got out of control. Anybody wonder why Colin Powell is out of this administration?

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:53 PM EST
    Let's call them what they are. These are war crimes.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:53 PM EST
    We used to be different, now our nation is just another two-bit, tyrannical, war-mongering, torturing, lawless (for some), brutal, corrupted country like so many others throughout history. The grand experiment is over... freedom, justice and inalienable rights thrown away like yesterday's trash.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#5)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:53 PM EST
    et al - This guy is selling a book. When inteviewed, he was asked how he got his supposed secret information. Fact is he didn't, and couldn't.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:53 PM EST
    Fact is he didn't, and couldn't
    And your evidence for this "fact" is what, he refused to out his sources on national TV? Seems to me you have only proven the first statement(he didn't), and made an unsubstatiated claim (he couldn't). If you have information to the contrary... As you are so fond of saying: "Link please..." Daniel Ellsberg was "only selling a book" too Jim. The tragedy was (likely in this case as well) that it was true.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#7)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    So was Salman Rushdie... Yes Jim, we are all familiar with your "s/he is wrong" end of post.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    Blaghdaddy has a great idea... America trusted Bush on "smaller government"- Gong! America trusted Bush on "Iraq's WMD's" America trusted Bush on "Social Security's Impending Collapse!!" America trusted Bush on Schiavo and the "culture of lahf"... Hey, let's trust Bush not to torture people he doesn't like when no one's looking!! Great idea.....

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#9)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    Blagh - Is that a comment or a feeble attempt at humor? Let me try - America trusted Clinton to arrest terrorists... (Can you say, Osama?) America trusted Clinton to not use the FBI to attack and kill children... (Can you say Waco?) America trusted Clinton to not mace and tear gas people standing in their yards... (Can you say Miami?) America trusted Clinton to give us a tax cut as he promised....(Can you say, he increased them instead?) Fun, aint it? Adept - He more or less admitted he didn't really have the sources. Sorry, can't find a link, and I'm having trouble remembering the show since I was totally unimpressed with the author. You are authorized to make what you wish with the above. I think it is called BION.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    He "more or less" admitted?
    In other words, he didn't say it, but he said something you can attempt to frame as him saying he didn't. How wishy-washy Jim. Just admit you made an unsubstatiated claim, and got called on it. Again. BION. BTW, knowing our Common ground of book collecting, can I interest you in one of my two signed 1'st editions of Ellsberg's book?

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#11)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    You can all say that once more, but in 3 years this nation will start to fall-apart, and when that happens all hell will come. remember abu ghraib is normal place in most parts of the world, and its normal for people to be tortured by that system of government in the mideast and in the fareast, that is what we were told we were going to stop? but also remember what is going on in our own prison system.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    PPJ - Whatever. :-0

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    The intent by US(PNAC) could not be more obvious: To damage our national security by carrying on a racist pogrom on a whole range of Muslims from as many places where they can be snatched. Give them no rights, treat them like terrorists instead of suspected criminals, and make sure to violate every international treaty we have made OUR law. Standard, by-now-patented, Bush admin. rape and pillage of our rights, the rights of others, our treaties and laws, and our military code. In otherwords, destruction of the Republic by the fastest means. Jim, aka Mr. Chapstick®, wants to still blame BC, but BC didn't attempt to destroy the Republic. GWB is a traitor; BC is just a man.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#14)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:54 PM EST
    Saar also did an interview with Terri Gross on NPR (audio file here). According to Saar, not only were these extreme techniques morally repugnant but also ineffective and even counter productive. Other interesting facts I picked up on from the interview: the military reduced the official number of suicides at Guantanamo by classifying these attempts not as suicides but as "self injurious manipulative behavior". There was a significant number of detainees who the military knew were going to be released but were kept there because they didn't want to politically embarass the Bush administration by releasing a large number of detainees prior to the election.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:55 PM EST
    Read this before you start howling with glee. With an open mind, if you can find one. link

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#16)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:55 PM EST
    John H - This man is a translator. What quals does he have? You like what he says because you agree with him. If you go to a Doctor, and he says you are "okay," be sure he isn't a quack. PIL - These people are terrorists. Too bad you can't understand that. Ask some of the Iraqi citizens who have had families and friends killed by'em.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#17)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:55 PM EST
    Current score: KIA 1600 WMD 0

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:55 PM EST
    Jim wrote: "These people are terrorists." That's a funny statement, Jim, given that several well-regarded sources say that the great majority are nobodies. Aka NON-TERRORISTS. But if it helps you sleep to think that torturing the innocent victims of Bush's incompetent, illegal, conspiracy to install airbases FOR PROFIT are terrorists, well then, you will have the lies you need for that purpose. " Too bad you can't understand that. Ask some of the Iraqi citizens who have had families and friends killed by'em." Ask the people of Fallujah, Jim. Ask the faces staring back at you in the dark. Collective guilt theories are inherently racist. You embrace those theories, so guess what that makes you? And it's utterly unamerican, your bigotry. And then you want to wrap yourself in the Iraqis, as if they are being protected by the rape of their country. Bush's pal Stalin salutes you for your continued efforts to lie in Bush's support.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#19)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:55 PM EST
    PIL - Your problem is that you have lost the elections, so your claims are made to a limited audience. But tell me. What do you call people who strap bombs on themselves and walk into crowded places and blow themselves, and innocent civilians, into small pieces? What do you call people who cut flight attendants throats, hijack aircraft and fly them into buildings, killing thousands whose sin was to come to work? What do you call people who capture innocent contractors and then make a video of sawing their heads off while shouting, "God is great!" Most of us call them terrorists. And when we catch them, what do we do? As I have noted, historically terrorists have been promptly killed upon capture. We are more humane. We put them in prison and try to determine who they are, what they know and the real extent of their crimes. Has the process beeb perfect? No. Are we trying for perfection? Yes.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:57 PM EST
    Bush's pal Stalin salutes you for your continued efforts to lie in Bush's support.

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:57 PM EST
    PPJ- you call those people "terrorists." Now, what do you call people who torture arrested civilians in another country on the off-chance they might be one of those terrorists? Blaghdaddy calls them war criminals...

    Re: U.S. Soldier Details Guantanamo Abuse (none / 0) (#22)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:58:57 PM EST
    Blagh - Your problem is that your position is totally marginalized. You over state the problem and always attack the US. That worked years ago, doesn't work now. Uncle Walter has been replaced by Joe Bog Blogger. ;-)