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U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling

By Jeralyn, Section Terror Detainees
Posted on Thu May 26, 2005 at 05:55:49 PM EST
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Today the U.S. confirmed it had received five reports of guards mishandling the Koran. Brig. Gen. Jay Hood said two Guantanamo staffers had been disciplined.

Four U.S. guards and one interrogator were involved in the cases, three of which appeared to be deliberate mishandling and two accidental, Hood said.

Although the military says the detainee who mentioned the toilet flush incident in 2002 was reinterviewed in May and did not mention the incident, Hood acknowledged he was never specifically asked about it. The word toilet wasn't used.

"We then proceeded to ask him about any incidents where he had seen the Koran defiled, desecrated or mishandled, and he allowed as how he hadn't, but he heard that guards at some other point and time had done this," Hood said. But Hood said investigators did not directly ask the detainee about a Koran being placed in a toilet. "I do not believe they used that word toilet," he said.

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    U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling | 20 comments (20 topical)
    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#1)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:22 PM EST
    Why would they use the word toilet when a bucket was what the were given for 'facilities?'

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:22 PM EST
    almost makes one want to go saw off someone's head. read about the use of the Bible as toilet paper by Palestinian terrorists. no Baptist riots here in US. I wonder why?

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:22 PM EST
    Are you guys denying the recentyl-released military report and the FBI report detailing 13 documented abuses of the Koran? Are you sure you want to get into semantics over detainee's translated words when the FBI and military reports tell you the same in plain English? Is there a reason you all refuse to ackknowledge those American government reports? Other than you can't wheedle your way past those? When you've answered that question, maybe you can think, as intelligent beings, about whether using a Bible's paper out of physical necessity might be accepted differently than tossing it into a toilet just for kicks?

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:22 PM EST
    no wheedling. I just don't particularly care and don't see it as a matter of great importance, unless you want us to lose the war against these psychopaths(I forgot-you do because that would teach Bush). These are folks who chant to Allah while sawing off heads(never saw those pictures/films on the front page of the Times-like the jumpers from the WTC, we might become inflamed-no such discretion exercised with Abu Ghraib/Koran myths). The Islamists exist in the Dark Ages. They have no respect for other religions yet want their beliefs respected. you are so right as to the Bible as toilet paper. It's a great substitute. though it really doesn't explain the Islamic history of destroying temples of worship of other religions. Ask an Indian for examples.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:22 PM EST
    Thank You, Ed, for finally stating your opinion...that's all Blagh wanted... And he agrees with you! You'd know that if you were paying attention...but Blagh got tired of your verbal gymnastics and wanted you to just take a stand... Blagh still maintains that, althoug holy book bbq's don't offend those of us with higher intellect, you don't want to stir up the ants' nest just before you try to spray it... Can you agree on that? If not immoral, it's incredibly dumb to do?

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#6)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:22 PM EST
    Ed, Islam is hardly the only religion/culture which has engaged in, or engages in, the behavior you described.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:22 PM EST
    Islam, until recently, has historically been the most accomodating of the three major religiions in terms of allowing conquered peoples to continue to worship their own god...most Christian "salvation" techniques involved very sharp implements and lots of firewood... Islam teaches respect for people of all faiths...it's an amalgam of many religions, actually, as the prophet Mohammed grew up on the ancient trade routes in the Middle East and had many contacts with Christians, Jews and other faiths... These anti-Muslims want to paint all Islamic outrages, but would scream murder if you painted all Christians as Jerry Falwells and Timothy McVeighs...always the double standard...

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:23 PM EST
    no Baptist riots here in US. I wonder why?
    Ed, perhaps it is because Baptists aren't being abducted and shipped to a foreign gulag, held without charge for a few years in a cage, all in the name of a scam called the "War on Terror".

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:23 PM EST
    Let's have a protest where we all burn bibles and sit back and wait for the death threats and condemnation. If I did not have kids I would do it for kicks and giggles.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:23 PM EST
    there would be condemnation, maybe even threats. nothing would happen-you know it. as to the Gulag, please have some respect for the term and remember the millions of people who died in them in the Soviet Union-the comparison is laughable. as to the accomodation of other religions, again, ask Indians or others conquered under Islam as to the respect accorded them as subjects.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:23 PM EST
    I am just curious, the most recent report from gitmo says that they investigated all the incidents surrounding the complaints by reading through 31,000 pages of logs kept by the guards and could not find any evidence supporting the claims. Could we please search the logs from Abu Gharib and see if any of the 50,000 pages mention the following: * Stacked em up in the nude like a cheerleader pyramid * Hooded em and attached some wires to his nuts * Put a dog leash on his neck and walked him around nekkid * Made him fellate another inmate * Made several masturbate together Being that the logs are being used to prove innocence beyond all reasonable doubt, I am quite certain we will find all of these entries in the Abu Gharib prison logs.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:23 PM EST
    Thanks Blag, AZ, 'course you can steal it, probably needs a bit of editing but it is all yours.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    (sound of Blaghdaddy laughing...loud crash as Blaghdaddy's chair topples over...Blaghdaddy struggles back into it, wiping the tears from his eyes as Mrs. Blagh comes running to see if hubby has injured himself...) JL, the "Daily Show" awaits you....well done...

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    Jlivingston: Excellent point. Hopefully you wont mind if I steal that meme.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#14)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    So what do the moderate Muslims think of Guantanamo. Per Thomas Friedman's column, a Pakistani professor is quoted "When people like myself say American values must be emulated and America is a bastion of freedom, we get Guantánamo Bay thrown in our faces. When we talk about the America of Jefferson and Hamilton, people back home say to us: 'That is not the America we are dealing with. We are dealing with the America of imprisonment without trial.' " Thank you George Bush. Guantanmo is now one of the main recruiting tools of radical Muslims.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    rides with horses, have you read Blagh's little blog today? You took the words right out of his mouth...now if we can just convince a few others....

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    then, what was the main recruiting tool before Guantanamo? no one seems to ever realize that the problem might lie with the mentality of these folks, not the US. what was this moderate professor doing prior to 9/11? my guess-nothing.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#18)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    the comparison is laughable.
    Yeah let's have the local sherrif turn you over to some foreign army because you were on his sh*t list, then have them throw you in a cage for 3 years, brutally interrogate you, then send you home without any charges. I am sure you will be laughing heartily about about the comparison then.
    then, what was the main recruiting tool before Guantanamo?
    Getting the Russians out of Afghanistan. That's why we formed, funded, and armed OBL and the boys 20 years ago. They were our terrorists then. And so they were good terrorists then. You do believe in the concept of good terrorists, don't you Ed? All good Neocons and former Cold Warriors do.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#19)
    by Richard Aubrey on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    It's been a usual practice of war to take captured combatants and confine them until the end of hostilities, and to do so without trial. This is no different, except it gives the Islamists and their US allies--the Left--an opportunity to lie and lie and lie. Even the German-American Bund was honest enough not to try that during WWII. I certainly hope you DON'T get the picture of what you look like complaining about possible reports of possible mishandling of a book while making excuses for beheaders. You aren't being taken seriously except by Islamist propagandists, who don't actually take you seriously but hope they can get a few of their more ignorant fired up. Only the latter unfortunate group actually believe you.

    Re: U.S. Confirms 5 Reports of Koran Mishandling (none / 0) (#20)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:24 PM EST
    Ernesto writes - "Getting the Russians out of Afghanistan. That's why we formed, funded, and armed OBL and the boys 20 years ago" No, not really. Killing Soviet military members and causing them problems in Afghanistan, and within the USSR was what we wanted to do. If that got the Soviets out, fine. But it wasn't the base reason. Blag writes - "Islam, until recently, has historically been the most accomodating..." Unfortunately we live in the present, not the past. John H - Someone should remind the "moderates" quoted in Friedman's column that the US is now involved in a war. Illegal combatants aren't usually given anything except a hanging. So they can be very proud of the treatmemt we have provided these guerillas.

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