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Posted on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 10:09:22 AM EST
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    Say Hello and Open Thread | 16 comments (16 topical)
    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    Salior - You wrote: Posted by Sailor at May 31, 2005 08:54 PM Thanks Che. Before anyone is subject to the terrorist blog powerline, I would submit this quote from the link some misguided person posted :"led Bernstein and Woodward astray" astray, astray ... FREAKIN' ASTRAY!? It's not like nixon got a bj, he tried to overthrow the gov't ... and was successful for awhile. Of course powerline refutes the holocaust and endorses unconstitutional kidnapping of japanese descendents during WW2. Yeah right, well we just debunked whether the poster that linked to this crap was ever a lib or a dem." Now, let's see your proof that Powerlibe refutes the holocost. As for your comment about astray, it is so wildly out of context that I almost had to laugh. Let us read the whole: "Such a theory would be perfectly consistent with the information-disclosing activities of the source that led Bernstein and Woodward astray. Ironically, even on the wrong trail, the stalwart Bernstein and Woodward generated enough damaging publicity about "Watergate" to cause the White House to vilify them and the Washington Post, and thus elevate them to the status of journalistic martyr-heroes." And if you would have read the previous paragraph you would have seen that the theory was that the reason for Deep Throat's giving information to B& W was bureaucratic infighting. Now that may, or may not be true, but the comment actually compliments B&W. But that aside, where is your proof that powerline is a terrorist blog? That it refutes the holocost? That is a serious charge, and you should have some serious proof.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Jim - BLOCKQUOTE and HREF are your friends. Cherish them, and let them help you. When you've had a few beers, tell them you love them. They'll repay your loyalty.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    So they're digging up Emmitt Till's body so they can lynch him again... Niiiiicccceeeee......

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    France, non; Netherlands, nee; put this bit*h to bed!

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    roy - Sounds exciting, except I have no directions on how to use... Since you have been so kind...??

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    roy - Hmmm, I see... It would have been helpful if I had included a link to Powerline in my invitation to Sailor to prove his claims. (It was in the original.) As for block quote, any advice on how to make it work would be appreciated.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    PPJ / Jim - I meant to suggest that you link to items you quote, like Epsteins's Watergate comments. (Maybe linking isn't necessary, since I found it anyway). If you've quoted a few lines, highlight them and click that "Quote" button above where you enter your comments. That does the blockquote thing so we can all keep straight what your quoting and what your inventing.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    Jim, Highlight your quoted text, and click the little "quote" button above the box in which you are typing.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    ppj, as regular readers know, you never debate honestly. You construct strawmen, move the goal posts or hijack the thread. I tried for months to debate honestly with you, constantly giving you the benefit of the doubt, but it is just futile. So, while I might occasionally respond to statements you make, there is no upside in responding to you personally. It doesn't matter how many facts are presented to you, over and over, the next post you still come back with the same disproven crap. When I'm felling generous, I think it is because I work in research, where no matter how badly you want to believe, when the facts tell you different you have to revise your theory and your experiment. Other times I just think you are baiting people. And life is too short for me to waste my beatiful mind on such BS. I do engage in hyperbole and sarcasm, i.e. I don't really think powerline contributors are terrorists, but I get pretty disgusted when they accuse folks who disagree with them of the same. I believe that every honest debater here, R or L*, knows that I provide links and facts for my args. You quote powerline. 'nuff said. Please consider this the last time I will respond to a personal attack from you, but my sense of fairness required me to give you an explanation. * Boy do I hate that polarization, it's nice shorthand, but it so simplifies what are complex issues that span a spectrum of beliefs and experiences.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    Dadler waited until everyone else had forgotten about the Memorial Day thread to nail a point with a jackhammer. For the sake of leftward leaning posters, here is a snippet to enjoy from Dadler's response to PPJ:
    "Your argument states that I'm only free because of soldiers fighting. And that's just simple-minded crap, a gigantic empty generalization, forged (I suspect) out of isolation and an inability to engage in genuine self-criticism......My (family) fought in WWII...I learned from them, not to glorify destruction, not to deify pointless violence, and to look at history for the complex tapestry of motives, perspectives, and prejudices that make it up.
    Great post.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    Sailor - So now you climb up your mountain top and declare that you won't respond... Personal attack? That's BS. I merely asked you to prove that Powerline refutes the holocost. That it is a terrorist blog. Sailor, where is it written that you are allowed to write what you want with no challenges? And do you now acknowledge that your statement that Powerline refutes the holocost was untrue? Are we to assume that:
    "I do engage in hyperbole and sarcasm"
    describes your facts and research? And why is my link to Powerline "bad" and your links "good?" You speak of "facts" and "research." I hope you don't exclude too many sources because you disagree with their politics.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    dadler writes -
    "My (family) fought in WWII...I learned from them, not to glorify destruction, not to deify pointless violence, and to look at history for the complex tapestry of motives, perspectives, and prejudices that make it up.
    Wonderful talking. Let's look at it. First, many people have family members who fought in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, Desert Storm and Afghanistan. And your point is, you learned not to glorify destruction? Do you think that makes you unique? How drool. My comment was simply this. On memorial day, at least give the dead a prayer that is unencumbered with qualifications. Would that be hard? As for your failure to understand that freedom is always purchased by an absolute will to fight, I wonder what you think your family members, and mine, were doing in WWII. TS - Nice of you to quote part of an conversaton. I bet you were a killer in High School

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    On memorial day, at least give the dead a prayer that is unencumbered with qualifications. Would that be hard?
    Actually, it would be for me. One thing I can't stand is people trying to forget the fact that so many have died for the arrogance of so few. There is no nobility in war. None. Once you strip away the ribbons and flags, it is nothing more than officially sanctioned mass murder and any reference to the deceased always needs to be mentioned in the context of the greater issue of the human failings that caused their deaths. We owe them at least that much respect.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    PPJ: That post wasn't intended to illicit a response from you. You were the catalyst for it, not the point of it.
    As for your failure to understand that freedom is always purchased by an absolute will to fight
    I REALLY shouldn't have to say it: war does not always lead to freedom. Willingness to fight is not always heroic. "God" isn't on anyone's side. WWII isn't analogous to the other conflicts mentioned. And on. And on. Dadler's post was worth everyone (else) getting to see. We ARE free for a number of reasons beyond warfare - and most definitely beyond elective wars waged for profit. I wouldn't have posted it if the thread hadn't been off the main page.

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    TS - When you write about someone who you know will read it, a reasonable person would expect them to respond. And we are free only because we defeated Germany, Japan and Italy in WWII, and the Soviets in the cold war. No amount of gobble-de-gook from the chattering class can cloud that point. Ernesto - Well, you have told us it was our fault that we were attacked on 9/11 and that neocons are the same as OBL. So your reluctance to support our troops, both dead and alive, is certainly no surprise. But I will ask you the same question I have asked others. Did you support the invasion of Kosovo?

    Re: Say Hello and Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 12:59:37 PM EST
    Ernesto - Well, you have told us it was our fault that we were attacked on 9/11 and that neocons are the same as OBL.
    Yes, I said our funding of OBL was a bad idea. I forgot...do you still think it was a brilliant strategy or not? And...after further review...I said neocons were worse than OBL.
    So your reluctance to support our troops, both dead and alive, is certainly no surprise.
    Support this, buddy.
    But I will ask you the same question I have asked others. Did you support the invasion of Kosovo?
    No.

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