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Hiding Saddam's Secrets

by TChris

For all the posturing the Bush administration has done with regard to Saddam Hussein, it seems the administration is reluctant to let Hussein have his day in court.

Iraq's justice minister on Tuesday accused the United States of trying to delay Iraqi efforts to interrogate Saddam Hussein, saying "it seems there are lots of secrets they want to hide."

Those secrets, according to Justice Minister Abdel Hussein Shandal, include the money that the U.S. funneled to Hussein to support him during the years mass graves were being filled with bodies. Those graves became the retroactive justification for invading Iraq in the absence of weapons of mass destruction or evidence that Iraq was involved in the attack on the World Trade Center.

"There should be transparency and there should be frankness, but there are secrets that if revealed, won't be in the interest of many countries," [Shandal] said. "Who was helping Saddam all those years?"

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    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    the same claims with Manuel Noriega got exactly nowhere at his trial. One problem with the conspiracy theory-why didn't we just kill him to cover the deep dark secrets? we know how evil Bush is-he is certainly capable of it.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    And this is the Iraqi JUSTICE MINISTER saying this. Get the feeling they don't want a whitewash? Which our powers that be would much prefer. Hate to say it, but this minister probably has a big target on his back now -- that we're aiming at. Though not literally. Yet.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    given that SH is alive, it seems likely they will get whatever they wish. I won't bother with the inconsistency of leaving the one who will blow the conspiracies out of the water alive while apparently theorizing we will target the Justice Minister.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#4)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    Hiding Saddam? sounds like some kind of bush and saddam sex party. this is sad people will write books make money have a movie and tell stories about this pig and his best friend,"the reagan", people in the mideast will tell tales of how saddam stood against the bad usa for years, with no fear in his evil little black heart, and no one will remember the little kids he and reagan/bush helped to kill. hell its part of the show and what a show it is. sad world and what an insane empire of fools.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    Ed, Let me explain to you what sarcasm and dark humor are, or satire. Which I was practicing. Hence the "Not literally. Yet." at the end of my last sentence.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    I apologize. Your sarcasm sounded like a perfectly normal point made here.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    Much ado about nothing unless the MSM does nightly debates on it. Unfortunately, they are just too busy covering Natalee Holloway, the Missing Boy Scout and how poor Bolton is getting a politicized by the liberal left. When the MSM starts covering real issues of national and significant importance, perhaps some critical thought will occur in this country. Until then, let's enjoy the hyopthesizing (sp) by Scarborough that the missing (now found boy scout) was a victim of a scurrilous scout leader, that law enforcement in ARuba is as efficient as LA and that Michael Jacksons court attire is as important as anything going on in Iraq.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    BTW- I don't blame the MSM, because PBS does a great job of covering real issues, their dismal ratings prove that.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimcee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    I would assume that there is enough Iraqi and Iranian blood on most of the West's hands for everyone. I for one would like to see the evidence but I would also weigh in the amount of mendacity that Saddam has for the Bushes that would probably hurt his credibility. A few who might be bloodied by his information: Carter, Reagan, Thatcher, Bush I, Clinton, Blair, Bush II, Chirac, Schreoder, M. Albright and numerous others. It would be interesting to see who was possibly involved but again Saddam does have certain credibility issues that must be taken into consideration as well as the fact that Saddam was at war with the theocracy of Iran who had sworn a blood liable against the West, the US and Carter himself in 1979.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    I'll bet you guys anything that Bush stalls Saddam's day in court until the very end of his term as to not have even more controversy and possible impeachable offenses come out on his watch. I'll bet he's hoping that he can stick the trial on some Democrat's watch, just like Republicans love to stick the deficits on Democratic watches and then blame them for it.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#11)
    by Slado on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    jimcee you are right on the mark. Everyone had a part to play in the rise of Saddam and everyone hearing about it would provide an example of why Bush's current strategy is better then those of past POTUS's. As I stated in another chain our biggest mistake was whimping out in '91. Who know how much better the region might have been today if we'd marched to Baghdad occupied Iraq after the fall of Kuwait when Saddam was at his weakest. Oh well. Damn. That being said our previous mistakes in regards to Saddam are justifications for this conflict. Not a lame reason to object.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#12)
    by Mreddieb on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:20 PM EST
    It's fairly clear that Bushbag doesn't want anymore Truth and facts coming out of Iraq than they have to contend with now. I guess like Heidi Fleiss Saddam has a rather fat"Little black book" stashed out there and the Bushies and Saudies sure don't want it to see the light of day.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#13)
    by Mreddieb on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:21 PM EST
    Jimcee If they new Saddam had even a few atoms of dirt on Clinton they would leak it, magnify it a million times and faux NotNews would run with it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.......... Oh I just heard Mrs bush is a latent Bull Dike.... Not that there's anything wrong with that. Pass it on!

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:21 PM EST
    Fred D... no one will remember the little kids he and reagan/bush helped to kill. Fred....LOL...you crack me up. Seems you conveniently left out an administration after those two. Oh wait...Clinton isn't responsible for anything bad in the ME... ooops...sorry...my bad. (In my best Gilda Radner voice) Nevermind!

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#15)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:21 PM EST
    To, jiungstn,ed,fenria,slado,and Ed Beckmann, its really only a side-show to keep people from thinking about Bin Laden, and yes bush will do his best to keep saddam from seeing a court-room until bush gets his pay-off from the worlds oligrchies, and i think he will have some fun when the nukes go-off in our cities.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#16)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:21 PM EST
    This whole thread is a mechanism to criticize Bush without the pesky need for evidence. If Saddam had earth-shattering secrets, wouldn't he have told them to the Red Cross people who come make to sure he's treated humanely?

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:21 PM EST
    "Posted by Ed: "the same claims with Manuel Noriega got exactly nowhere at his trial." Unfortunately for Bush, not an apt comparison. We have EIGHTEEN TONS of Baathist government files in the US National Archives, where they have been gone over by HRW and other NGOs. There are shoot-to-kill orders, lists of vacated villages-- --and not a few RECEIPTS from Reagan/Bush I, who we already know from FOIA requests sold chemical and biological arms to Hussein UNTIL 1992. Trafficking in chemical and biological arms is TERRORISM. How come Reagan and Bush I supported terrorism? Oh wait - -Bush II is a terrorist too, attacking a disarmed country in order to install airbases, in total violation of the UN charter, which is to say, US law. What a freakin' surprise.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:21 PM EST
    Who seized the records of the regime? I am quite certain it was us and am doubly certain a few pages have already been misplaced.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#19)
    by DawesFred60 on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:21 PM EST
    Let us all go to wahington and hang all the political rats from trees, do you know what would happen to millions marching on washington? mass murder would happen by our own troops, on kids old people the good and the bad. so what did saddam do but keep power in his own way by mass murder. by the way you can win just wait for the end of this nation its coming soon and being helped by guys in washington, that we all know and by some power people who we don't know can i ask, "where is bin laden?, not in a cell with saddam. but what the hell we can all say, "do not go gentle into that good"? how soon before you see a camp? and cry how bright. my god my VA Drugs are running low.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:21 PM EST
    Posted by Jlvngstn: "Who seized the records of the regime? I am quite certain it was us" The records were seized by the Kurds, when they took control of the northern part of the country in 1992. As for the security of these records, I'm sure you're right -- quite a few pieces of key information in those records have most likely been converted to a 'compact carbon-based form' and then into what scientists call 'dust.' Even so, the FOIA records already go a long way toward proving US sales of banned materials to Hussein. We even have records that show that the CIA installed Hussein in the first place, after they saved his arse when his attempted assassination of the Iraqi president didn't come off that well (when the grenade got stuck inside what still was, for a moment or two, a cohort's shirt, as I recall).

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimcee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:22 PM EST
    Mr Beckmann, If Bush had the Clinton info about the ME that would make him look bad that would be one thing. Bush would also be making his Dad's administration look bad. No, all past ME stuff has been poorly handled by previous administrations but I personally feel that Bush(=Hitler) is the best in a while. Although Clinton didn't want to pick that ME scab his reluctance to even engage it was pitiful. It was only a matter of time that the ME blew apart and it is better that it happened under Bush than under a President Kerry. Live with it and be rational not some silly faux representitive of the common man.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#22)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:22 PM EST
    It's really hard to believe that some misguided commenter(s) would compare bush 1 (when he was head of the cia) dealing drugs to noriega , and facilitating the sale of chemical weapons and arms to saddam (while he was president and vice preident) to Clinton who did none of those things. How many americans died on Clinton's watch compared to the number who died under st ronnie and bushies I & II? bush 2 lied about WMDs, yellowcake, aluminum tubes and the reason for invading. clinton lied about a bj, and not even the rabbit died. americans run the prison where saddam is held. americans didn't capture saddam, the kurds did, and turned him over for a photo op. I don't think iraq should try him, but if they are a 'soverign nation', they should certainly be able to question him, and americans are preventing that.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:22 PM EST
    Sailor: "americans didn't capture saddam, the kurds did, and turned him over for a photo op." They turned him over for the reward, which the Bush forces reneged on. Then they did their spider-hole psyop gamesmanship on American minds. Lying to the public in the cause of illegal war is treason. Doesn't matter if it has happened before, or by what party. Having the military invent lies is a treason to democracy. The purpose is to delude and gull the people -- and that is in itself a violation of the Constitution, of government by the people. USPNAC lied to Congress, and lied to the people, and the war crimes are on the record. Hussein should not be tried by Iraq or a USPNAC-puppet government claiming to represent the people of Iraq. The truth will only come out fully in an international court. Bush investigating himself is just for yucks. They laughed plenty about doing that, just as they laugh at these propaganda exercises. Let's put H. F* Kissinger in charge of the 9i1 conspiracy coverup -- after all, he is the biggest untried war criminal on the planet, to whom Saddam Hussein is a pipsqueak and a hired man.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:22 PM EST
    Paul, I am sure that most people know that we sold chemical weapons to Saddam and gave about 1 Billion a year in CCC funds to Saddam during the Iran/q conflict. What I am wondering is what catalogs of information will turn up missing that provides greater information as to what we were not admitting to. I am sure we all remember olly north and the subsequent denials even when faced with undisputed evidence.....

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:23 PM EST
    "Posted by Jlvngstn: "Paul, I am sure that most people know that we sold chemical weapons to Saddam and gave about 1 Billion a year in CCC funds to Saddam during the Iran/q conflict." You have an odd idea about what 'most people' know, but maybe that was hyperbole. Most people could not place Iraq on a map. As for 'missing info,' the chimneys at Bushrove Enterprises run all night long. Some is paper ash -- that's white.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:24 PM EST
    Out here in "red-state" America, where I, unfortunately, reside, the people absolutely DO NOT know these facts. If you try to enlighten them, they call you a liar. Don't want to know.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#27)
    by Slado on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:24 PM EST
    They turned him over for the reward, which the Bush forces reneged on. Then they did their spider-hole psyop gamesmanship on American minds.
    WOW, you guys have really lost your minds on this chain. Us in RED STATE AMERICA are wondering where you guys get your info. Hey did we really land on the moon or was that a media event as well. Let me know when you guys are in the neighborhood of planet earth.

    Re: Hiding Saddam's Secrets (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:25 PM EST
    "Us in RED STATE AMERICA are wondering where you guys get your info." What, do you have some sort of telepathic union going? Fellow pod people? Why DIDN'T your chosen media report the soldier's assertions to you? Everybody in the world except you in your 'red state' heard about how Hussein was taken out of an apartment and forced down in the air raid shelter of the place for a photo-op. You might also recall the fake news created for the girl who fought off her attackers -- who herself says she was unconscious, and that the Iraqi doctors risked their lives to bring her fresh fruit in the middle of the firefight. Or maybe your keepers didn't tell you that, either.