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Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan

By Jeralyn, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Wed Jun 29, 2005 at 05:40:56 PM EST
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Congressman Dennis Kucinich says it's critical that we have a withdrawal plan from Iraq.

The longer we stay in Iraq, accidentally killing tens of thousands of civilians, we create more people who swear vengeance against America. Pre-war intelligence, including the c.I.A., saw no serious link between Osama Bin Laden and Hussein.

....Everything about the war in Iraq has been wrong. It was wrong to go in. It is wrong to stay in. It is wrong to keep our troops in harm's way. H.J. Res. 55 gives us a chance to right the wrong and exit with a plan which is sensitive to the security concerns of both the Iraqi people and the American people, because the truth is that this war is making people in both countries less safe.

Contact your Congressperson and ask him or her to support H.J. Res. 55, a binding congressional resolution calling on President Bush to begin withdrawing the United States Armed Forces from Iraq on or before October 1, 2006. Let's start the exit process.

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    Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan | 12 comments (12 topical)
    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:42 PM EST
    The fallacy of the argument that "we can't leave until Iraq can defend itself" is the same one that was used to bump up our Vietnam KIA total to about 58,000. The Iraqi army won't be in any better shape to enforce our economic domination of that country in 2, 12 or 50 years than it is now. Here's the best timetable: OUT NOW.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#2)
    by chupetin on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:42 PM EST
    If we leave Iraqis wont have anybody to defended themselves against. We are the ones that invaded their country.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:43 PM EST
    ernesto - And that strategy worked out how well for the Vietnamese? -C

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#4)
    by Andreas on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:43 PM EST
    During the presidential elections Dennis Kucinich supported John Kerry, one of the main proponents of the occupation regime: Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#5)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:43 PM EST
    And see what a threat they are Cliff... One has to believe that the Vietnamese are dying in droves to become middle class Americans to believe that our leaving didn't stop the killing.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#6)
    by ppjakajim on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:43 PM EST
    Johnny - It didn't. Study some history for God's sake.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:43 PM EST
    cliff, PPJ... Vietnam was attacked by China in 1979. The same China that was supposedly pulling the strings of the resistance to the U.S. being in Vietnam. The right winger history of Vietnam is a garbled bunch of BS. Either one of you is welcome to provide documentation to support your claims that Vietnam would have been better off under a U.S. puppet regime the last 30 years.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:44 PM EST
    "During the presidential elections Dennis Kucinich supported John Kerry, one of the main proponents of the occupation regime:" Claims don't become true just by making them. Kerry outed the airbases scheme in the first debate, and REPUDIATED it. Why did he do that, Andreas? As for 'occupation regime,' that's not what this is. Apparently you refuse to digest genocidist Kissinger's statement that there is no more Iraq. That's not occupation, it is dismantlement. Which is genocide. And Kucinich's polite lie about 'accidentally' killing civilians is HILARIOUS after Fallujah and the use of mercenaries with full legal waivers on their actions. I don't blame Kucinich or Kerry for failing to find, so far, the political solution they will BOTH support when it is fashioned. As opposed to the non-plan of ignoring the existence of politics, that you espouse.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#9)
    by Randinho on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:44 PM EST
    I wish Bush's father had had a withdrawal plan - about fifty-eight years ago.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#10)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:44 PM EST
    Randy, I'm with you, bush should pull out like his father should have;-)
    George W. Bush, 4/9/99: “Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.” And on the specific need for a timetable, here’s what Bush said then and what he says now: George W. Bush, 6/5/99 “I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
    Speaking of VN: america lost 58,000+ in VN. The vietnamese lost over 10,000,000 between fighting the french, the japanese, the french and the americans. And they finally won their freedom from outside oppressors. BTW, the 'attack' against US naval forces in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened, it was just a ruse to get the american people to sign on to a war of oppression. If america had first hepled the VN freedom fighters when they asked for our help against the french colonialists we could have avoided the whole war and done the right thing. Ho Chi Minh had based his freedom movement on the US Declaration of Independence. Please read MLK's words. Excerpt:
    They must see Americans as strange liberators. The Vietnamese proclaimed their own independence in 1945 after a combined French and Japanese occupation and before the communist revolution in China. Even though they quoted the American Declaration of Independence in their own document of freedom, we refused to recognize them. Instead, we decided to support France in its re-conquest of her former colony.
    Of course when the US attacked, North VN had to acquire help from the only other power able to counteract the US agression. Which is especially ironic since we had supported Ho in the war against the japanese. A quote4 from State Dept white paper in '65:
    The war in Vietnam is a new kind of war, a fact as yet poorly understood in most parts of the world. Much of the confusion that prevails in the thinking of many people, and even governments, stems from this basic misunderstanding. For in Vietnam a totally new brand of aggression has been loosed against an independent people who want to make their way in peace and freedom.
    Any of this starting to sound familiar? Those who say otherwise don't know history and have made all of us doomed to repeat it.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#11)
    by SeeEmDee on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:45 PM EST
    Ho Chi Minh was an OSS agent, working for Americans during WW2. He and his people provided invaluable services in warning of Japanese troop movements in the IndoChinese peninsula region and rescuing downed Allied pilots. He was rewarded by Truman betraying him and returning IndoChina to French control at the end of WW2. Google Search String for Ho Chi Minh OSS Had America persuaded the French, who were desperate to receive Marshal Plan funding, that it would have been a good idea to let IndoChina go it's own way, it is entirely possible there wouldn't be a black marble wall on the Mall in DC with all those names on it. Had we supported Ho Chi Minh instead of spurned him, the Viet namese, traditional opponents of the Han Chinese (which had subjugated them for centuries and thus there was no love lost between the two ethnic groups) it is highly probable the Chinese Communist Revolution might have been thwarted early on. The world might have taken a very different route than it had, and an arguably more peaceful one. By 1946, the Russians had control of the northern half of Iran, and the US the southerrn half. Truman wanted the Russians out. They didn't want to go...until Truman threatened to nuke them. Had we then supported pro-democracy Iranians after the Russians had left, instead of the puppets of the oil companies, once more, the world might have had a very different history. And today? We have the past to guide us...but we seem to make the same mistakes all over again. Or perhaps I should say, our so-called leaders make the same mistakes...if mistakes they are.

    Re: Dennis Kucinich: We Need a Withdrawal Plan (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:00:46 PM EST
    " it is highly probable the Chinese Communist Revolution might have been thwarted early on. " That is ahistorical and absurd. The idea that supporting Ho would have stopped Mao ignores so many factors as to make it grossly uninformed. The Gulf of Tonkin lie is not equivalent to the USPNAC lies. The distinction is quite obvious, but apparently not to leftists. Controlling the Pentagon was something JFK and Johnson barely did. USPNAC was not hatched in the Pentagon, but in the rightwing thinktanks. USPNAC is a coup and a conspiracy NOT to carry on American foreign policy, but to reverse laws by direct acts of tyranny. USPNAC is like Kissinger's Cambodia and Laos -- GROSSLY illegal, and not in line with US foreign policy goals of the 'legitimate' executive. It is a HUGE jump to conflate the Gulf of Tonkin incident to the illegal Iraq invasion/Airbases scheme/Pipelinestan conspiracy. Both were impeachable, but G of T was not an incitement of war for profit for Johnson. Your statements about Truman are also seriously overstretched.

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