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Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions

by TChris

Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, a student from Qatar, was arrested in the US in December 2001. Shortly before his trial was to begin in 2003, the Bush administration declared him an enemy combatant. He has been detained without trial ever since at a naval brig in Charleston. Yesterday, he filed a lawsuit challenging the conditions of his confinement. (An earlier challenge to the fact of his detention is pending.)

The prisoner maintains that he has been regularly denied access to basic necessities like a toothbrush, toilet paper, adequate bedding, and medical and psychological care. He has been confined in isolation in a dark 6-by-9-foot cell round the clock, his suit says, except for brief periods of outside recreation three times a week when he is deemed to be in compliance with jail rules.

Military jailers have also subjected him to extreme cold, used the roar of a loud fan nearby to "harass and torment him" and denied him access to any books, newspapers, radio, television or religious material except for the Koran, he says.

Marri also contends that jailers have treated the Koran disrespectfully and that he’s been denied access to his wife and children. He complains of abusive interrogation techniques, including threats to send him to a country where he “would be tortured and sodomized and where his wife would be raped in front of him.”

Marri’s lawyer, Jonathan Hafetz, compares Marri’s treatment to the abuses suffered by detainees at Guantánamo.

The government claims that “an elaborate and careful evaluation” proves that Marri was “closely associated with Al Qaeda” and engaged in “hostile and warlike acts” against the United States. If the government’s “elaborate” investigation actually uncovered evidence to support those accusations, it should charge him and prove his guilt in a trial. Holding him indefinitely under conditions designed to make his life miserable sends the wrong message to the rest of the world: we pay lip service to concepts like due process and the presumption of innocence, but we only play by those rules when we feel like it.

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    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:06 PM EST
    Military jailers have also subjected him to extreme cold, used the roar of a loud fan nearby to "harass and torment him" and denied him access to any books, newspapers, radio, television or religious material except for the Koran, he says. Oh my god... "A loud fan"... what animals we are! Hummm...sounds like he's been watching the (left biased) news to me.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#2)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:06 PM EST
    BB- I'll bet that you couldn't take 30 days of that kind of treatment.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:06 PM EST
    roger... Paaalease! The average military boot camp is worse than that!

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#4)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:06 PM EST
    BB- Been to boot camp, and I spend a lot of time in jails. You obviously have been to neither

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:06 PM EST
    Although it is horrible that prisoners are treated so horribly, the worst part is that they're not given a fair trial and in most cases, not even charged with a crime. I think the real issue is that these people are randomly arrested with no apparent reason. Like this blog says, if there is a reason to take them into custody, it should be made known.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:06 PM EST
    Yes, a loud fan...and denial of medical care, and confinement in dark 6X9 cell, and extreme cold, and threats of torture and rape. Yeah, no big deal. BB, the pick-the-mildest-abuse and use that as proof we aren't abusing people tactic only works if the rest of us don't have access to the information or have chosen, in lieu of reading TL's post, to just read your always entertaining commentary.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:06 PM EST
    Our BB is honest and fearless in promoting the truth. He alone here knows brutality is the only way to defend the most civilised nation on earth. I’m converted BB! We simpering, untrustworthy 'lefties' should be dragged from our houses and forced to confront the truth about what it takes to ensure God's Country remains a beacon of enlightenment to the rest of the world. Hell, if there are casualties on the way, if we deny ourselves god-given rights and justice and if all of this makes us look brutal and sadistic to the rest of the world…well to heck with um! Fly the flag and know the truth: The US is, and will remain, great because, well because we are Americans; proud people who hold high the conscience and high human aspirations inherent in all people, yes, even folk from other countries – and anyone who doesn’t agree with this will get their butt kicked for sure…. Gosh, giddy stuff; high on testosterone and a powerful suppressor of IQ. I’ll just re-read this piece for contradictions….whatever they are.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#8)
    by Al on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:07 PM EST
    You have to understand the psyche of beings like BB ... if the man has been arrested, he's obviously a terrorist, so he must be punished. The BB's of this world are not too discerning. Problem is, they have the guns.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:07 PM EST
    StuartJ... and if all of this makes us look brutal and sadistic to the rest of the world…well to heck with um! Now you get the picture! In case you haven't noticed, many countries (even our so called friends) like France, have hated us for a long time. Yes.... even before GW arrived on the scene. So I, for one, am sick and tired of trying to appease these ungrateful asses. So, yes... the 'heck' with them. We need to look out for ourselves and I'm sorry if I'm not jumping against our government at every opportunity and on the side some fanatic that we locked up and is now complaining about how badly he was treated. I'm on the side of America....unlike most of you on the left that truly hate this country and can't wait to condemn it over every negative news article!

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:07 PM EST
    Roger... You obviously have been to neither Well ...you're right about jail. Never been there & don't plan on it. Al... if the man has been arrested, he's obviously a terrorist, so he must be punished. Well no, but unlike most of the left... I will agree that if he has been arrested, there most likely is a reason.... as opposed to all of you that "automatically" have him innocent of everything and just arrested because we are a mean & nasty country!

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#11)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:07 PM EST
    Article:
    He complains of abusive interrogation techniques, including threats to send him to a country where he “would be tortured and sodomized and where his wife would be raped in front of him.”
    BB: Snicker, snicker! (paraphrased) Compassion, indeed.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:07 PM EST
    as opposed to all of you that "automatically" have him innocent of everything In this country we presume someone innocent before being guilty. if you love this country as much as you claim then maybe you should review our legal system.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#13)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:08 PM EST
    bb obviously hates America because he doesn't believe in a trial by a jury of one's peers'; the right to face one's accusers; the right to an attorney; the assumption of innocence; the infliction of cruel and inhuman punishment ... etc. bb is much more of a threat to America than an incarcerated Yemeni.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:08 PM EST
    Sailor... bb obviously hates America .... Sure Sailor... I hate it so much that I want to see anyone that wishes to harm it punished. All those things you mentioned are guaranteed to its citizens...not those insane fanatics that weren't born here...don't live here and want to see us and our system eliminated! These people are using our laws (and the left wing loonies) against us. Why is it you geniuses can't see that? When the country goes up in smoke...you & your kind will be able to say.."Well, at least we didn't tread on anybody's rights".. …As if it will matter when there is no USA anymore.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:08 PM EST
    Sailor... BTW...go check out this link If it were up to people like you (and it was when Clinton was in) this kind of info goes into a black hole because, heavin forbid, we piss anybody off and actually try to prevent something like 9/11.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:09 PM EST
    BB- Guess you did not finish grade school, or the article you linked to above. Able Danger was put in place during the Clinton Admin to gather info about Al Quaida. The credible info about Atta was thrown in the dustbin by your pals who are in the white house now. A clear pattern was adopted, most chillingly in Aug 2001, when Bush was busy playing golf in Crawford, of classifying terror threats as hooey. Clinton stated Terrorism was the most important issue of out time. Bush is back on the golf course, snickering about the latest Al Quaida threats: bring em on seems to be his motto. They sure seem to be working for him and not against him. Ever notice that his popularity goes up when terror threats actually make it into US news; odd coincidence that is.

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:09 PM EST
    Squeaky... You are one messed up person... The credible info about Atta was thrown in the dustbin by your pals who are in the white house now. WRONG...this evidence was collected over a year before 9/11.. and guess who was in office then? Guess who was in charge when they all enterd the country... Guess who was in charge when all these guys were training to fly...? Clinton stated Terrorism was the most important issue of out time Yeah..that's why they continued to bomb & kill us under his watch (The USS Cole --- the WTC bombing--- various embassies all over the world --- etc..etc. and he did NOTHING! That's why he chose, on at least 3 different occasions, not to take Bid Laden who was handed to him on a platter... You need to get a grip on reality!

    Re: Marri Challenges Confinement Conditions (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:09 PM EST
    I will get a grip once the asswipes, who are ruining a country that I love get fired and go to jail. Been playing golf at Crawford lately?