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More Truth to Power From Gary Hart

Gary Hart has an op-ed in today's Washington Post about the war in Iraq. It's wrong. It was a mistake. We are "light-years" from the original purported mission. It's a "hornet's nest." He asks, who will say "no more?"

The op-ed also takes a swipe at the complicit Democrats. This is not the way to resurrect the party, Hart argues.

But what will history say about an opposition party that stands silent while all this goes on? My generation of Democrats jumped on the hot stove of Vietnam and now, with its members in positions of responsibility, it is afraid of jumping on any political stove. In their leaders, the American people look for strength, determination and self-confidence, but they also look for courage, wisdom, judgment and, in times of moral crisis, the willingness to say: "I was wrong."

To stay silent during such a crisis, and particularly to harbor the thought that the administration's misfortune is the Democrats' fortune, is cowardly. In 2008 I want a leader who is willing now to say: "I made a mistake, and for my mistake I am going to Iraq and accompanying the next planeload of flag-draped coffins back to Dover Air Force Base. And I am going to ask forgiveness for my mistake from every parent who will talk to me."

It's a very good read.

Update: Kevin Drum offers similar thoughts about who will be first among the Democrats in this op-ed in today's LA Times.

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    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#1)
    by soccerdad on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:42 PM EST
    There's an opposition party?

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:42 PM EST
    There's an opposition party?
    It's been renamed... "The Pragmatic Party" Did I really say that? Or was there someone standing behind me?

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:42 PM EST
    From the post:
    My generation of Democrats jumped on the hot stove of Vietnam
    Yes, they did. And the result was a withdrawal from Vietnam that cost about two million people in SW Asia their lives, not to mention the aid and comfort it gave the North to extend the war, and the deaths of US servicemen. Yes, they did. Hart should hang his head rather than brag. And that is my truth to his power.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#4)
    by jarober on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:42 PM EST
    The Democratic party did so well for itself opposing the Civil War (decades in the political wilderness) and the Vietnam War (followed by the rise of the right). Go ahead, keep up the opposition - in the long run, the resulting lack of power from your side of the aisle will be a boon for the entire world.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#5)
    by Andreas on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:42 PM EST
    Gary Hart is somewhat disingenuous. He himself has supported the war.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:42 PM EST
    Gary Hart has an op-ed in today's Washington Post about the war in Iraq. It's wrong. It was a mistake.
    Hey, he worked hard on that op-ed. -C

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#7)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:42 PM EST
    Ahhh, vietnam, clinton and the 'Cold War'. Some trolls just caaaan't stay on topic. BTW, 10,000,000 VN died in VN due to us and other imperialists before we left. Anybody else think that the vacuum left by 50 years of outside invasions might have played a role in the subsequent internal deaths? ;-)

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:42 PM EST
    Yes, they did. And the result was a withdrawal from Vietnam that cost about two million people in SW Asia their lives
    Hey, didn't our involvement there also cost 2 million lives? So if we stayed how do you figure they would have made out any better? And what makes you think we can prevent a civil war in Iraq when there is one happening there already?

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:43 PM EST
    sailor - You are always quick to bring out the troll charge when someone brings up facts that apply to a subject that you don't want to admit to. Ernesto - I'll just make one point. Over a million people died in South Vietnam after their fall and takeover by North Vietnam. et al - We left because of demands by the Left to leave. The Democrats, as Hart brags about, led the charge to do so. You are now trying to repeat. Shame on you. Double shame for not being smart enough to learn anything from the first time around.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:43 PM EST
    The topics of Hart's op-ed are (1) Iraq and (2) the failure of Democratic leaders to oppose the war. Apparently, Jim has a bit of a reading comprehension problem and thought the actual topic was the analogy. (1) Iraq: Only someone entirely divorced from reality would argue today that Bush's Iraq war has led, or can lead, to an outcome consonant with American interests, let alone stemming terrorism or "spreading democracy" - that utterly empty slogan - into the Mideast. (Alas, the sad fact is that only someone entirely divorced from reality couldn't have foreseen this disaster in early 2002, when Bush first floated this nutty idea. There will be doctoral theses written on how decent Americans could have been so deluded as to support Bush back then.) (2) The Democrats' leadership failure to speak out: What else would one expect? After all, these are the same people who couldn't unseat Bush in '04, despite his performance as the worst president ever.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:43 PM EST
    Dr. Hart did not have to work hard on the editorial because it is what he said in an op-ed in the Washington Post in January before we invaded Iraq. He did not support the war at all but did feel constrained in opposition once combat started. Hart's criticism of the Bush Iraq policy has been long and consistent

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#12)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:44 PM EST
    The only problem with his analysis is that heavy opposition to Vietnam from dems didn't come until years into that war, very late in other words. Opposition to this war is growing at what appears a similar pace. However, that doesn't free us from being lambasted and humiliated for our inability to learn from history -- which, you'd think, a free society would strive to avoid.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:44 PM EST
    tristero writes:
    The topics of Hart's op-ed are (1) Iraq and (2) the failure of Democratic leaders to oppose the war. Apparently, Jim has a bit of a reading comprehension problem and thought the actual topic was the analogy.
    Well, first you must be smart enough connect the dots between the Left's demands for us to just Vietnam, which we did with disastrous results for the South Vietnamese, and what would be the results of us leaving Iraq, as the Left is now demanding. Let me blunt. A bloodbath. Do you want to accept responsibility for a policy that would lead to that? Need some water, a pan and a towel? As far as Democratic leaders opposing the war, you must never watch any main stream media. Kennedy and Pelosi in particular have been vocal in not supporting the war, and our troops. As for "doctoral theses" being written, I guess we now know where Ward Churchill came from.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#14)
    by Andreas on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:44 PM EST
    "What A Load" wrote: "He did not support the war at all but did feel constrained in opposition once combat started. Hart's criticism of the Bush Iraq policy has been long and consistent" That is false (or does not make sense). When his Blog-Master stated on Gary Hart's Weblog that Gary Hart opposes the war - which had just been launched - Gary Hart told him to remove that comment. I repeat: Gary Hart supported the imperialist war on Iraq.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:45 PM EST
    Ernesto - I'll just make one point. Over a million people died in South Vietnam after their fall and takeover by North Vietnam.
    And I'll make one point: Twice that many died before that from our intervention.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#17)
    by DonS on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:45 PM EST
    Gary Hart's statement is elegant and passionately evocative of truth. Those here who choose to use their usual low brow and reflexive reactions ought to take a moment to reflect -- and be ashamed if they have any shame left.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:46 PM EST
    Jim writes, "Do you want to accept responsibility for a policy that would lead to that [a bloodbath in Iraq]?" It is you, not I, who supported the invasion of a country that had nothing whatsoever to do with the 9/11 attacks, etc. etc. Any responsibility for Iraq bloodbaths - the current or future ones - is on your shoulders and all the other Bush enablers, not mine. And don't make the mistake of believing I support withdrawal of US troops. I don't. Nor do I support staying. I support the removal of George W. Bush and his administration from Washington - with or without indictments, provided they are no longer in power. He and his administration are so incompetent that - stay or leave - they are guaranteed to continue to make an already catastrophic situation worse.

    Re: More Truth to Power From Gary Hart (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:02:47 PM EST
    DA - So now you are picking and choosing your dictionary? Okay, fine. You say you’re smart, I say you’re dumb. But funny. Really, really, funny. You write:
    if you don't want to be criticized for them, using the Preview button Sorry about that, chief. I guess I was laughing too hard to notice the mistake in my previous post.....
    First, I am not your chief. If I was you would be in trouble. And self-excusing for an obvious error is juvenile and really not acceptable. Secondly, isn't it fun to have to watch every word you write? Thirdly, what a waste of bandwidth. Now. Try to say something intelligent about the subject of the thread.