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By TChris, Section Huricanes Katrina and Rita
Posted on Thu Sep 08, 2005 at 01:52:17 PM EST
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Has spinmeister Rove saved the president's fanny again?

White House officials must be breathing a sigh of relief about the news coverage this morning that increasingly depicts the controversy over the government's response to the Gulf Coast disaster as a largely -- or even purely -- partisan issue.

Maybe not.

But the heartfelt disappointment and poignant questions about the rescue efforts may in fact be spilling forth from a wider, nonpartisan American vein. For example, many rank and file Congressional Republicans remain publicly aghast at the federal government's response.

Polarizing the electorate has been a successful strategy for this White House. That's not what they fear. But if the poll numbers start to shift precipitously -- and if even a chunk of Bush's core supporters come to the conclusion that he dropped the ball -- then Katrina could be something new for the White House. And something very dangerous indeed.

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    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#1)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    Reality has a nasty habit of biting you on th a** when you least expect it, Karl.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    and if even a chunk of Bush's core supporters come to the conclusion that he dropped the ball --
    Will never happen. As we can plainly see here every day, his core suporters are so totally detached from reality that Bush could kill and eat people on live TV and they would still find a way to blame it somebody/something else.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    Regardless of the partisan spin in Washington (i.e. it's all the fault of The Local Dems, or Federal Repub's) the various State Governors, D. and R. are all apparently appalled by the response, and seem to me to be more reflective of the way average people are seeing this issue.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    "Katrina could be something new for the White House. And something very dangerous indeed." Not half as dangerous as it was in New Orleans last week, when Bush pretended to play guitar and neglected his oath to protect the citizens of the United States from the predicted aftermath of the hurricane. Who are these people, that can be so incompetent and yet rise so high? How on earth do they get away with it, job after job, year after year?

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    Concerning the incident in which someone told Cheney to "Go Cheney Himself" earlier today, we just had this pass on CNN: Cafferty: The vice-president said that was the first time he heard it. Didn't he utter the same phrase to Senator Patrick Leahy on the floor of the United States Senate? Blitzer: Yes. Cafferty: So it wasn't the first time he heard it. Blitzer [carrying water]: The first time he heard it in the context of this trip. Cafferty: You know what, I bet it's not the last. I bet it's not either.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:29 PM EST
    The Dems have been making this a partisan - and a racial - issue since almost before Katrina hit land. Coverage of the politics of this here. But, don't worry! The American public won't think less of you for attempting to make lemonade out of one of the U.S.'s biggest tragedies. Say, did you know that MoveOn organized a protest today featuring homeless New Orleans refugees? They need more volunteers, so join up!

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:29 PM EST
    Puh-leeze. Sure, there are some media outlets acting like moonbats, just as others act like wingnuts. There is no difference between the Moonbats screaming it's all bush's fault, and the Wingnuts claiming Bush is completley blameless. Both stink to high heaven, as does the swill your spinning. Feel free to go "Cheney" yourself as well. I do see where both are coming from though. The Moonbats smell blood, and the Wingnuts are desperate to circle the wagons, especially with the new Bloomberg numbers (down 7 points from those ID'd as "conservative repubs" and 11 points among "moderate repubs"). If "my boy" in the grand political game was in the low 40's before this debacle, I'd be nervous as hell too. Doesn't make the partisanship any less sad, though.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:29 PM EST
    "The Dems have been making this a partisan - and a racial - issue" You are so wrong. The lack of Bush Administration and FEMA involvement on the ground has made this a partisan issue. See, we consider blacks and lower income people worthy of rescue, and you guys don't. You all just want to sit back, make excuses, and watch them die.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#9)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    "You are so wrong. The lack of Bush Administration and FEMA involvement on the ground has made this a partisan issue." Gee, we are so terrible, we keep bringing politics into these federal agencies.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    tristero:
    Who are these people, that can be so incompetent and yet rise so high? How on earth do they get away with it, job after job, year after year?
    They get away with it because we get so disgusted with and tired of constantly refuting lies and deceit and repetition that we throw our hands up and stop trying. If you repeat a lie enough times it eventual becomes the truth. This is normal, it's not nice at all, but it's normal. It creates what is called "Consensual Reality". Google the term "Consensual Reality", learn everything you can about it. A good starting point is a real player video that you can watch on researchchannel.org called "Evolution, Culture, and Truth" in the humanities and social sciences section. Watch it. Study it. Contemplate it. Think about it's ramifications. Then turn their own tactics back on them. "Consensual Reality" is what YOU make it. Repetition is one of the keys... Use what they do against them. Or live under them... ----- It's NOT about the "team"... It IS about the "leader". “See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” —George W. Bush, May 24, 2005

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    EVOLUTION, CULTURE, AND TRUTH ----- It's NOT about the "team"... It IS about the "leader". “See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” —George W. Bush, May 24, 2005

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    a real player video that you can watch on researchchannel.org Correction - it is a Windows Media Player video - It's about 1 hour long - and very enlightening.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#13)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    EVOLUTION, CULTURE, AND TRUTH EVOLUTION, CULTURE, AND TRUTH EVOLUTION, CULTURE, AND TRUTH EVOLUTION, CULTURE, AND TRUTH

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#14)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    i'd have to agree with rove on this one, it is a partisan issue. simply put, the republicans are in complete control of the federal govt. the federal govt screwed up. that means that, um, well, uh, the republicans, specifically, the present administration, screwed up. where i disgree with mr. rove is assuming that "partisan" and "wrong" are mutually inclusive terms, they aren't. that is what he fears: that people will finally get wise to this fact. the sad thing is that it's taken so many dead, and so much destruction, for the voting populace to finally wake up. not that i think they actually have, mind you, but their eyelids do appear to be fluttering.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    CPinva- They are doing a bit more than fluttering. Check the numbers in the link to Bloomberg in my previous post at 4:4o PM. Favor down to 40 Unfavor- 52 Primarily due to 7 points down among Conservative Repubs. 11 points down among Moderate Repubs.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    but, in purely partisan terms, have the dem numbers done anything? my wild guess would be no-based on their performance,not surprising. So, you get your wish-bush numbers bad/elections keep going to Republicans.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    Isn't Charley what they called the bad guys in Vietnam? Correct me if I'm wrong. You know, I'm not interested in Dem vs. Rep numbers, right now. I know Bush failed, so now, all I'm interested in is Rescued Victim numbers and the numbers of those who refuse to be rescued, but somehow, manage to survive.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    et al - Bad news, boys and girls. An AOL poll shows that 46% think the Feds goofed. 23% think the state goofed. 23% think the city goofed. So it's split 50-50 (46 to 46). Now that poll is not "scientific" but I have found all AOL poll results to fall towards the left side. So if the base can do no better than than that... you're in trouble.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    Jim: you're in trouble. It's getting closer, Jim...

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#20)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    Well, so far this much has been confirmed: 1. Gov.Blanco only evacuated the city at all after Bush ph'd her to give her a push (and or political cover). This is according to Blanco herself. Absent that call, another 100,000 people could have easily perished. This was by far the most important action taken by anyone. 2. Mayor Nagin had hundreds of buses available for evacuating people that he never used. You are welcome to use google maps to look at them, even now, sitting in the water. 3. Both the Red Cross and the Salvation Army tried to deliver food to the people in the Superdome and were barred from doing so by tye Louisiana Dept of Homeland Security. Each of them have confirmed this themselves. Note that the LA dept is not under Bush - it answers to Gov. Blanco and takes its directions from her. 4. The Natl Guard in LA is, in this circumstance, also under Blanco's control, which is where the failure to establish order must rest. 5. FEMA is a clearing agency. As is stated in its mandate, and just about everywhere else: FEMA is not a first responder. It is a coordinating agency for subsequent relief. It notes that it relies on other agencies - public and private - to deliver the goods. For example, it explicitly names the Red Cross as its agency for situations like this (see pt 3 above). 6. In spite of the above, it took about 3 days to get help to the people in need. This is much faster than, say, 1999 and Hurricane Hugo, where it took much longer, but there is still room for improvement. Dunno if you guys on the Left are following all the details that are emerging, but from what I see, there's a lot you're missing (see, the ras has uses). The bottom line up to this pt is that the D's are lucky the polls only split 50/50, cuz as more details emerge - esp that nasty little pt 3 above, which has resonance, don't you think - it appears that Blanco and Nagin, both Dems, will rightly wear the blame. That won't help the national party, which will prob have to contend with LA becoming a Red State as a result of Katrina. Which is frustrating for the Left, I'm sure, who had hoped and wanted Bush to wear it. I mean, with all your hearts, right? But, in any event, it's more important to find out what really went wrong that to nail Bush for Blanco's mistakes, isn't it? Blanco - whom I had never really heard of before all this began - has seen her career end. This is a good thing, not a bad one, as hurricane season isn't over yet. You are welcome to fact-check my assertions. They'll hold up.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    The American public won't think less of you for attempting to make lemonade out of one of the U.S.'s biggest tragedies.
    Bush exploited 9/11 to make a war in Iraq...which untimately cost countless thousands of lives, indirectly including the ones in New Orleans. When y'all exploit a tragedy...you tend to create a few more big ones of your own by doing it. Yes...go cheney yourself and cheney all the damn wingnut cheneyers while you're at it.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    The Bush White House, if nothing else, is a marketing machine, a triumph of style over substance. In the summer of 2002, Bush Chief of Staff Andy Card admitted as much, declaring the time for selling the planned war with Iraq was not yet ripe, "from a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August." Therein lies the problem for President Bush in the marketing of his administration’s abysmal response to hurricane Katrina. Bush has no product. Even worse, he has no pitch man, or worse still, pitch woman. In a nutshell, George W. Bush needs the Lisa Beamer of New Orleans. But sadly for President Bush, in New Orleans, the color of suffering - and heroism - is black. For the full story, see: "Where's the Lisa Beamer of New Orleans?"

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    An AOL poll shows
    Here's an AOL poll I just saw: How would you rate Brown's handling of the disaster? Poor 69% Fair 16% Good 11% Excellent 4% Looks like Brownie ain't doing such a heckuva good job according to that. So go cheney yourself!

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    ras...you're way late to the game. In fact if this debate was a hurricane rescue, you'd would be getting cussed out by Brian Williams right now. Your so-called facts have already been shot down or made irrelevant (which is probably why you didn't provide any links). So congrats...you beat out the rest of your wingnut compadres for the grand prize...the super self-cheneying with a 17-inch "dubya"....roto-rooter style! Enjoy, little man.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#25)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    Ernesto, You have no serious rebuttal then? Well, can't say as I'm surprised, given the weight of the actual evidence that is accumulating. Thanks for trying your best.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#26)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    William Kristol of The Weekly Standard, Former conservative GOP congressman Scarborough of faux news, New York Times' David Brooks, Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn, and a lot of other repubs, including the mayor of NOLA who only becae a dem right before the election are saying bush failed. The polls say Jimmy Carter would win over bush right now!
    In the Pew survey, 67 percent of 1,000 adults interviewed by telephone Sept. 6-7 said Bush could have done more to speed up relief efforts; 28 percent said he did everything possible.
    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    You have no serious rebuttal then?
    I told you...all your points have been debunked already. Please catch up by reading the archive. Thanks for playing.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    28 percent said he did everything possible.
    Looks like 28 percent have aquired some pretty frikken low expectations of Bush over the years if they thought that was his best effort. Can't say I blame them. My Pet Goat...Part II

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#29)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    yes, ras, we followed all that, they are the same rnc talking points that every other bushshill has used. They have also been proven wrong. They are lies and you know it. but keep repeating them and click your heels together 3 times. it took over 5 days, and fema still claimed not to know about the levees flooding and the convention center. You are correct that the response to hurricane Hugo sucked. But Hugo hit the South Carolina coast in 1989! Under bush1. The response to hurricane Andrew in '92 also sucked, again under bush 1. Now the major hurricanes that hit under Clinton's watch ( e.g. Hurricanes Floyd and Opal) had a much faster response time, because he appointed someone who had experince in disaster relief. BTW
    When disaster hits, FEMA coordinates relief and recovery operations with 26 other federal agencies and the American Red Cross.
    and
    Recovery activities can begin immediately after a Presidential declaration.
    See anything in there about asking the state pretty please? This quote will expose another of your lies:
    FEMA's enabling legislation, the Stafford Act, provided FEMA officials with powers that the bureaucrats didn't exercise. "We found that without state requests, FEMA could assess the catastrophic area, assess what assistance the state needed, start mobilizing that relief, present its recommendations to the governor, and, if necessary--as Andrew Card did--get in the governor's face to force the issue of accepting federal help. Before Hurricane Andrew, FEMA officials took almost none of these steps. Consequently, when a disaster occurred, FEMA's relief efforts were inevitably too little, too late."
    Next!

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:30 PM EST
    Ernie writes:
    indirectly including the ones in New Orleans.
    You win the prize for the most over the top comment in 2005. edger - Sweetie pie. What's coming? Another suggestion that I shoot myself? As befoe, how macho. I can just see it. edger on patrol in NO. A looter comes and says, give me your money. And edger says, "Go shoot yourself." Looter says, "Huh?" Yes indeed. edger you prove again why the american public won't trust the Left with the defense of the contry. I mean, no one can take you seriously. sailor - You can quote all you want, but the facts ras quoted are facts.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#31)
    by ras on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:31 PM EST
    Ernesto, Please catch up by reading the archive. I checked out this post for starters. The comments were excellent. People rightfully decried the withholding of food from those in the Dome. Some even compared it to genocide. However, they were under the mistaken impression that the Lousiana Dept of Homeland Security was controlled by Bush. Not so. It was Blanco, the Democratic Governor who controlled the dept and on whose authority the Red Cross and Sally Ann were denied access to the Dome. She was trying to starve them out (and just where all 60k of them gonna go and just how were they gonna get there, Ms. Blanco?) I report, you decide. But I'm sure the Left will still be just as outraged knowing it was a Dem at fault as they were when they thought it was Bush. The public, too. So ... looks like my points still stand, since the q of who had authority was central to my arg. And as those details become known - in LA, in particular, but elsewhere, too - down go the Dem chances in the next elections. And, oh yes, even tho Nagin, the Democratic Mayor of N.O. let hundreds of buses sit uselessly when they could have saved lives, FEMA managed to arrange for over a thousand replacements in just 72 hours. Curse that Bush! Looks like I didn't miss much while I was away, eh? Not as much as some, anyway. Cheers, kiddo.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    I've been away for a couple of weeks on personal business...did you all miss me? While cruising through this blog.... I see nothing has changed since I've been gone. The Hurricane is Bush's fault... the lack of response is also Bush's fault... right? Nevermind Dems have been in charge of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana for years... had tons of federal money from both Clinton & Bush to fix things down there and didn't do it... nevermind that the "order" to leave is only now being inforced after the fact...nevermind hundreds of busses that could have been used to evacuate thousands of people who didn't have a way out were not used and are now underwater...nevermind the Govenor waited 24 hours to figure out which of Bush's options she should take.... I could go on & on but I think most of you get it? So...is it anyone's surprise that the local Dems (who are at fault for this mess) are all pointing fingers at the Feds?.... Duh.....

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    you don't understand-if the left can use these corpses for political gain against bush, their deaths will have been for a noble cause. if the locals/feds had gotten their act together and saved people now dead, how could the left exploit it? what good would that have been?

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#34)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    Yeah, all the facts I quotes came from FEMA and NOAA. You guys are amazing, bush kills untold thousands of americans because he can't be bothered to come off of vacation and all you guys can do is make it a lw conspiracy. It's easy to tell how desperate the rw is, they get more and more shrill.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    FEMA managed to arrange for over a thousand replacements in just 72 hours. Curse that Bush!
    Good thing you're up in Canada...go down to the Gulf and mention FEMA around those folks and you're pretty much "cheneyed". Hey, ras...when you gonna get "re-assigned elsewhere" for your ineptitude at shilling for Bush?

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#36)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    ras, I read the comments on the post and with one or two exceptions I found no evidence that "most people" thought that "the Lousiana Dept of Homeland Security was controlled by Bush." I imagine one reason why was that TL explicitly stated that "The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane." What I did find was that there were some comments defending the decision keeping the Red Cross out, but these seemed to be from people who seem to be politically on the right. You know ras, noone is saying that the local government should be left off the hook, but this effort to place all the blame on the locals is a bit too transparent. Republicans control the Presidency and both houses of Congress. During their watch we have had all sorts of disasters: 9/11, Abu Ghraib, Enron, Halliburton, WMDs, the deficit, Iraq, Tom Delay, Karl Rove, and now the response to Katrina. According to Republicans, none of this was their fault or their responsibility. I don't know about you but I'm getting tired of excuses and blaming others.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    a hurricane killed many people. the left, before it passes, already blames bush, apparently based on his incredible mental power to control storms. as the facts develop, we learn that maybe some of the left's hysterical assumptions were, to put it mildly, wrong. when it is pointed out to the left that they are wrong and, in effect, building their political case on the corpses of the hurricane's victims, they scream "how dare you play politics" and accuse others of sounding "shrill". you guys are so predictable as to be laughable but for your use of dead people as your props.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    char-You people? 60% of all Americanst think he is doing a bad job as president. No one blames the chimp king for the hurricane, but there is bipartisan comdemnation for his poor leadership handling the disaster. The international community is once again agahst as well. RNC takling points are easy to get on fox, we do nt need your propaganda, BTW it makes you look like a shill.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#39)
    by john horse on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    charley Maybe you can help clarify which of the Left's "hysterical" assumptions is incorrect. You can start with this list. Or maybe it was when liberal blogs like TL wrote the following "The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane." I agree that it is wrong to play politics on the corpses of the hurricane victims. However, I think you got the left confused with the senior Bush adminstration official who said that Governor Blanco had not declared a State of Emergency. This of course was an outright lie. Thats what you are talking about, right? Lying and blaming others for political purposes.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:34 PM EST
    You can quote all you want, but the facts ras quoted are facts. Yes: and all the lies ras repeated (which vastly outnumbered the facts) are still lies. Of course, ras may not be aware that they're lies, which is why ras needs to do some background research before repeating them.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#41)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:34 PM EST
    mr charlie: quit lying!

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:35 PM EST
    sailor writes:
    You guys are amazing, bush kills untold thousands of americans because he can't be bothered to come off of vacation and all you guys can do is make it a lw conspiracy.
    Hmmmm, I didn't know Bush was that deadly. Perhaps we can get him to go on vacation and focus his attention on Iran and Iraq. Perhaps he was, but some of it was deflected by Mrs. Sheehan towards New Orleans with this terrible result.

    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#43)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:35 PM EST
    “No one blames the chimp king for the hurricane,”
    No, apparently it was the vice president.
    Posted by Sailor at September 9, 2005 09:51 PM If I just saw one of the men responsible for my house being destroyed, I'd shout it to the roof tops.
    Re: Spinning Katrina (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:36 PM EST
    John H - from your link: Saturday August 27 - 5pm: Mayor Nagin declares a State of Emergency and issues a voluntary evacuation order, saying he is having his legal team determine if he can order a mandatory evacuation without exposing the city to legal liability for the closure of hotels and other businesses. Well, this pretty well tells us where his head was. As they say, if you want to know, follow the money. And btw - The link forgets to mention the 600 busses and the fact the Mayor sent the peole to the dome. I wonder why? And the LA Homeland Security not letting the RC in...

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