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Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints

Bump and Update (TL): Law Prof Ellen Podgor of White Collar Crime Blog weighs in:

Unlike Bernard Ebbers, but like Jamie Olis, the defendants were sent off to jail immediately. They were not released pending the appeal. .... Unlike those sentenced in the federal system (e.g. Rigas, Ebbers, and Olis), both Kozlowski and Swartz have the opportunity to present their case and circumstances for parole after they have served 8 1/3 years. But some will argue that the prisons awaiting Kozlowski and Swartz will be harsher than those facing the federal offenders (although it should be noted that Jamie Olis does not exactly have luxury quarters).

Is this sentence necessary? No. The minimum would have been 1-3 years and perhaps the sentence should have been closer to that time frame. Closer not because the crime was not wrong and should be punished, but closer because these individuals are first offenders who are unlikely to commit a crime again in the future. Their positions of power have been stripped from them and they are unlikely to have the ability or power to ever be a menace to society again. Are the fines and restitution appropriate? Yes. Make them pay back every dime that was taken and more.

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Original Post (9/19/05)

by TChris

Dennis Kozlowski, who came to exemplify corporate greed as the CEO of Tyco, was sentenced today to 8 1/3 to 25 years in prison. Tyco’s CFO, Mark H. Swartz, received the same sentence. Kozlowski was also ordered to pay $97 million in restitution and $70 million in fines.

Some have argued
that corporate criminals are undeserving of harsh sentences and that the trend to impose long sentences is an overreaction to the corporate scandals that emerged in recent years. If that is true, it is also true that drug dealers are undeserving of their (usually) much more severe sentences, also imposed as an overreaction to a perceived crisis for at least the last quarter century.

Jonathan Simon, a professor of law at the University of California, Berkeley, said: "The most obvious comparison for the emerging attitude toward white-collar criminals is the harsh punishment we give to people involved in the drug trade. But both represent increasingly irrational and inhumane levels of punishment."

Lengthy sentences are necessary in some cases to protect society from incorrigibly violent offenders. But do they serve to deter corporate malfeasance? Draconian sentences certainly haven’t prevented the peddling of illicit drugs.

Prof. Simon argues that white collar criminals are more responsive to the threat of imprisonment than are drug dealers.

"Deterrence is, in my view, highly contextual," he said. "If you live in a community where young people die all the time from stray bullets - whether they are gang-banging or going to school - it is pretty hard to deter anyone with threats of punishment.

"In contrast, white-collar workers are extraordinarily sensitive to threats since their whole socialization and environment encourage calculation of future benefit and cost."

Perhaps, but does the threat of 25 years provide greater deterrence than the threat of 5 years to an individual who can’t envision spending even a month behind bars?

Mr. Simon suggested that "it would be far more effective to impose a lot of short sentences on a wider group of offenders rather than the example model of harshly punishing a few celebrity cases while most potential offenders know that they are unlikely ever to be caught and punished."

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    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:02 PM EST
    I blogged about this myself, and I think very stiff sentences are appropriate when, as in the case of Bernie Ebbers, the crime is a fraud of $11 billion and uncounted lives ruined through investments lost forever. I'm a layman, not a lawyer, but it grates to see people walk away with light sentences because (in the words of Woody Guthrie) their weapon is a fountain pen rather than a gun. Shouldn't the amount stolen be counted beyond the extremely coarse division into misdemeanor and felony?

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#2)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    good point monterey. in drug cases, i believe the amount of drugs involved bears heavily on the sentence, why shouldn't the same hold true in white collar crime? in these most egregious cases, i'll wager far more innocent parties were hurt, by the excessive greed of the individuals involved, than the average street dealer impacts. since that's the rationale behind the mandatory sentences for drug dealers, the analogy seems obvious to me. frankly, anyone stupid enough to pay $6,000 for a shower curtain should be sent away for a long, long time, guilty of felony bad taste!

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#3)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    Drug sentences vs. White collar criminal sentences = BAD ANALOGY. In the case of Enron, hundreds of thousands lost their retirement. All of it. Everything they worked for in some cases0 just b/c their company's officials were crooked. I dont see how that at all corrolates to some dude selling drugs to try to feed his family.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    Saw Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room the weekend before last. The one part that still really sticks with me is this one lineman working for PGE, what used to be a blue-chip municipal electrical utility. He says one day at work he's told Enron bought out PGE and all his 401k is now Enron stock. $300,000+ went to $1200 in a couple of months. He had no opportunity to get out while Enron execs cashed out to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. The worst any of these guys got was 10 years and most only did a handful of time. If they had sold drugs or mugged somebody under mandatory minimums, they would have been put away for decades. I'm sorry, but if anything corporate crime sentences need to be strengthened and lengthened.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    And, I wanted to add, these convicted white-collar criminals should have their jailhouse wages garnished as a token measure to clue them in to the sensation of having even a small allowance taken away like they did to others.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#6)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    They should have their jailhouse wages taken away and given to the people they took retirement money from.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    bartkid writes:
    He says one day at work he's told Enron bought out PGE and all his 401k is now Enron stock. $300,000+ went to $1200 in a couple of months.
    You know, I have zero love for these guys, but the best way to fix things is to be factual. First, it was about two years between the time PGE was purchased by Enron and Enron's stock collapsed. And the lineman quoted had ample time to move his stock out, or around. Secondly, the only stock that became Enron stock was PGE stock. If his plan was like most plans, he could buy 50% of his investment in PGE stock, max. If he was just doing pre tax investing, he was limited to about $10K per year, max, or $5K due to the 50% max. That would take about 40 years for him to have $300K in PGE stock. The plan probably was less than 15 years old, so that doesn't work out. What more than likely happened was that his Enron stock, which was converted from PGE, took off like a bullet, vastly over valued, and then collapsed. I don't know who was managing the fund, but I have trouble believing he couldn't have dumped the stock. More likely he didn't want to. So let's hope these two guys set an example to the other "executives." In the meantime, let's get our schools to teach a little bit about financial management, including that old say, "If it's too good to be true, it probably is."

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#8)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    If there is one point that wrongwingers are consistent on it is 'blame the victim.' Hey, she had it coming;-)

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#9)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    ppj-these are the guys running our country. They have no interest in being factual nor do you. Bush, Cheney and Lay were all in it together. The campaign to bankrupt America continues. No more money for social service.
    You know, I have zero love for these guys, but the best way to fix things is to be factual.
    Ken Lay hired Fastow to scheme all with a nod from his pals Bush and Cheney. It was business as usual. Bush and Lay plotted to get Gov. Davis out as a start.
    Davis said that Texas-based energy companies were manipulating California’s power market, charging obscene prices for power and holding consumers hostage. Bush agreed to meet with Davis at the Century Plaza Hotel in West Los Angeles on May 29, 2001, five days after Lay met with Schwarzenegger, to discuss the California power crisis. At the meeting, Davis asked Bush for federal assistance, such as imposing federally mandated price caps, to rein in soaring energy prices. But Bush refused saying California legislators designed an electricity market that left too many regulatory restrictions in place and that’s what caused electricity prices in the state to skyrocket. It was up to the governor to fix the problem, Bush said. However, Bush’s response appears to be part of a coordinated effort launched by Lay to have Davis shoulder the blame for the crisis. It worked.
    link Here are the Bush-Lay letters Then your boy Bush got a case of amnesia:
    With Enron’s ignominious collapse over deceptive accounting, Bush began to act as if he barely knew Lay. On Jan. 11, Bush told reporters that Lay "was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994." Bush implied that he had gotten to know Lay as a Richards holdover appointee to a Texas business council. The impression Bush sought to create was untrue.
    link You don't have a sincere bone in your body. The best way to fix things is to be factual. That might be a good start for you, I am not hopeful though.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#10)
    by Joe Bob on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    I agree: let the dollar amount of the fraud influence the punishment. Likewise, I agree with Prof. Simon as quoted in the article: a greater quantity of small punishments would be a better deterrent than a few large ones. It seems like successful white collar prosecutions are like getting hit by lightning; it's just too rare to think you will be the one. That said, I don't think 25 years is too much for the likes of Kozlowski, Ebbers, Fastow, et al. Their fraud and theft has affected people's lives in profound and tangible ways. Now that many of us have to count on 401Ks for retirement, stock market fraud doesn't just affect Wall Street hotshots anymore. For the stock market to work, people who abuse the system have to be punished. The main reason it works in the first place is simply that a lot of people believe in and trust the system. Take away that trust and people will simply not invest in the stock market.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#11)
    by Che's Lounge on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    So Jim says if your stock is doing well you should dump it in advance of any impropriety on the part of the CEO. Great strategy. I gotta write that one down. Hey Einstein, employees didn't sell their Enron stock because it was doing well. Were the employees supposed to have some magical insight that Lay, et al were criminals?

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Che - Write this down. Bears make money. Bulls make money. Pigs get slaughtered. And what I said was that if you put all your eggs in one basket, make damn sure the basket is in good shape. Squeak writes:
    Bush and Lay plotted to get Gov. Davis out as a start.
    Hey Squeak, we all know it is because Rove's Grandfather worked for the Nazis. Isn't that what you told us? So were is some proof?

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Some have argued that corporate criminals are undeserving of harsh sentences and that the trend to impose long sentences is an overreaction to the corporate scandals that emerged in recent years.
    Bullsh!t. Not only should they serve the same long ass sentences that they preach for every other lawbreaker, but they should serve them in exactly the same prisons as well, none of this white collar, country club crap, they should stick them in Pelican Bay!

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#14)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:04 PM EST
    Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    Squeak writes:
    Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.
    Glad to have you admit to what you are doing.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    Jim writes:
    Posted by JimakaPPJ at September 20, 2005 06:59 AM Squeak writes: Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I. Glad to have you admit to what you are doing.
    Hard to think about what you're saying this early, Jim? Careful... you'll get that foot stuck in your mouth again... Go get some more coffee, huh, ...Jim? ;-)

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    Gee Squeak, you're slower than normal... See, you say that Rove has a smear machine and he doesn't have to prove anything.. Then you say, "why should I?" You know, that's saying that you have a smear machine, don't you see? No fun if I have to explain'em.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:05 PM EST
    Backpedaling that fast is dangerous, Jim... Be careful, man, you could hurt yer foot!

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:07 PM EST
    edger - Perhaps you should work up a marketing plan.

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM EST
    avenger: dodging consultant ? Is that something like a roveing consultant? :)

    Re: Kozlowski Sentence and Viewpoints (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:10 PM EST
    And for a cruder take on white-collar crime: Inmates Soon to be Enjoying Their Daily Koz "There is pleasure to be taken from Republicans behind bars, and that should commence soon after lockdown."