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Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Toddler

By Last Night in Little Rock, Section Misconduct
Posted on Tue Sep 27, 2005 at 07:33:28 AM EST
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by Last Night in Little Rock

On July 10th, the LAPD SWAT team shot and killed a toddler in the arms of an armed man as noted here.

CNN.com reports today that the family of the toddler has filed a notice of claim against the LAPD. A notice of claim is a prelude to filing suit.

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    Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Toddler | 20 comments (20 topical)
    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    Meanwhile, back in reality, here are just some of the crimes Pena committed while he was here illegally: http://kfi640.com/penaall.html http://kfi640.com/pena04.html http://kfi640.com/pena05.html

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    To make this clear for those who aren't familiar, the LAPD could have contacted the BICE and had Pena re-deported, thereby preventing the shooting. However, their hands were tied due to a "liberal" rule called Special Order 40: link. (It's interesting that this site wants HTML links, but uses the nofollow tag, meaning all us commentors are creating content for TL and not even getting real links out of it.)

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#3)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    So, a SWAT team pumps 2 shots into a baby and a commenter blames the libs. TSandard wingnut response, especially considering the LAPD and most local cops don't want to be an arm of the INS because how difficult it makes it to investigate serious crimes. Besides, the guy OWNED A BUSINESS, how hard would it have been for INS to track him down? (hint: the yellow pages) And complaining about your hostess giving you free bandwidth while you are too technically/mentally challenged to format a link is classless.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    Typical wingnuts. A baby is shot dead by a cop, but somehow it's the libs. fault. How pathetic.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    Charley you fool, the sympathy is for the dead child. Which is more than you've shown. What a sad little man you must be.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    Again, I notice you still seem more interested in attacking the Left than the fact a toddler was shot and killed by the police. If you are disgusted by the fact my sympathy lies with a dead child, you truly are one of the saddest examples of a human being I've seen post here.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    Oh, look, charley's fifth and sixth posting of the day! BMB: "all us commentors are creating content for TL and not even getting real links out of it." No, BMB, you are not an 'us.' You are a THEM. And you aren't a 'commentor.' You are a troll. As for the actual thread, this is the NORMAL course of events. The LAPD will be sued -- that is NORMAL. The SWAT team certainly didn't try to kill the infant, but anyone who doesn't understand police adrenaline will be especially harsh about the accidental killing of an infant. As a liberal Democrat, I think it's pretty obvious that holding an infant in your arms as you confront the police is a criminal act. BMB and charley are TROLLS. Since they aren't restricted in their comments, they have to be responded to, which is their purpose. That's not commentary, it's trolling.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:22 PM EST
    I'd be willing to bet that child had no political intent, either liberal or conservative. Any pro-child, pro-family conservative ought to be wondering what went wrong instead of blaming liberals for wondering the same. The law is supposed to hold people accountable and if the parents bring a law suit, maybe they can find out who was accountable.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:22 PM EST
    Brave- Well said.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    Brave.... maybe they can find out who was accountable. I vote for the father that held the baby while shooting at police. As a side question... Why is it people on the left are always looking to blame whatever authority is close by and not the actual person that is at fault...? just wondering.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    How about we act like grown ups and put the fault where it lies? 1) On the fool using a child as a human shield. 2) On the fool that decided to open fire on a person using a child as a human shield. Why didn't the PD have a competent sniper at the location? I'd think it would be SOP in a hostage situation. BB- You could also ask: Why do people on the right never want to admit any degree of fault when it comes to state institutions (unless they are controlled by the other party)? Why do some on the Right, like Charley above, see it only as an op. to trash the Left, instead of as the tragedy it is?

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    Gee, BB, I guess you can't read, you just generalize your troll point, regardless of what people actually write. As for 'accountable,' the evidence suggests that the LAPD and the SWAT team ESCALATED this disaster, and for that they are certainly culpable. There have been MANY such cases, and the city has paid out millions and millions for these failures of LAPD crisis management. So, no, we don't just blame the father and then close our eyes to the ONGOING need to improve the LAPD.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    Adept, 1) that's true. 2) that's untrue. There is evidence that the man was threatening his family with his gun-- reportedly, he had been holding them hostage. 3) competent sniper? On site, deployed, you can count on it. SWAT is world famous, and there are some great sharpshooters -- if he had hit his target, he would be famous too.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#14)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    What went wrong? Well, this dude had a fight with his ex-girlfriend and mother of his 19 month old daughter, abducted his child from the mother, fled to his car wash/car dealership, and with his infant daughter at his side spent over two hours in a gun battle that he initiated with the police who had responded to a panicked 911 phone call placed by his ex-girlfriend's other daughter, and then held his child to his body in such a way that if the officers were to shoot him, or at him, they would have a good chance of hitting the child as well. And absent a video tap on the end of the cop's rifle, we'll likely never know what really happened in the split second that preceded the f*ing useless tragic horror of the child being killed. But I'm sure the LAPD will settle and pay up - with our (mine and PIL's) money.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    SUO & BB, While we disagree on many things, thanks for reaffirming my faith in people a bit by acknowledging the tragedy of this childs death. Pity some of our other trolls are so blind they can't see it.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    Adept, hey, you callin' me a troll?! ;-) I have two children, 6 and 3. I couldn't bear the thought... Anyway, TL exists to cover "crime-related political and injustice news." TL wants the incident discussed as it relates to politics and/or injustice. Some have chosen to oblige our hosts by discussing the incident as they request.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:23 PM EST
    SUO- Sacre Bleu, Non, Non! ;) No problem with any of your posts, even though I may disagree. I was singling out one or two posters above that can't seem to see the tragedy in their attempt to score "points" for their "side", that's all. It just sickened me a bit. Hope you and the kids are well, and stay so.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#18)
    by Johnny on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:24 PM EST
    Imagine for a moment if this man had shot a cop dead instead of the cops whooting his child twice, killing him. The wrong-wingers would have their panties in a twist, screaming for more prisons, stricter laws... Instead, what we get from a typical wrong winger is a vague "he deserved to lose his child" sentiment along with a strong "the cop done right" train of thought.

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:24 PM EST
    Adept.... BB- You could also ask: Why do people on the right never want to admit any degree of fault when it comes to state institutions I don't believe that's true. I'll be the first to admit the guilt of any institution, no matter which party set it up...however, I also believe your numbering above is correct. The 1st guilty party is the one that did the deed (in this case the father that used his child as a sheild). But it just seems that as soon as TL posts something, everyone on here is quick to say ..."yeah, that damned Bush" or "those damn cops"...etc. before they really know the facts. That I don't agree with! As far as this being a tragedy...of course I agree with that. Just because I'm not willing to damn the LAPD before the father (who started this) doesn't mean I'm not simpathetic. I have 4 children of my own. Paul... Gee, BB, I guess you can't read, you just generalize your troll point, Blaming the father for starting this mess isn't a generalization...it's a fact! Not sure why you don't see that, as smart as you are?

    Re: Notice of Claim Filed in LAPD Shooting of Todd (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:04:25 PM EST
    Blaming the father isn't the point, it's the claim that people on the left, which I presume you think means me, blame the authorities first, when in fact right above your comment I blamed the perpetrator, so you are lying. NOT a surprise. "As a side question... Why is it people on the left are always looking to blame whatever authority is close by and not the actual person that is at fault...?" Previously in the thread: "As a liberal Democrat, I think it's pretty obvious that holding an infant in your arms as you confront the police is a criminal act." You don't deal with the evidence, you just spew your prejudices. And you refuse to note that the perpetrator of MANY crimes is the Bush assministration, and yet you attack the local authorities or some other scapegoat. What's up with that?

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