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Sunday Musings: Open Thread

By Jeralyn, Section Blog Related
Posted on Sun Oct 16, 2005 at 02:43:54 PM EST
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I just got back home to Denver and three days of e-mails, snail-mail, voicemail and now laundry. Aside from RoveGate news (Huffington Post has an excellent wrap-up of blogger views) there's an op-ed by the former Seattle police chief, Let Those Dopers Be, and news of the terrible murder of defense attorney Daniel Horwitz's wife and the Susan Polk murder trial he is in the midst of trying.

Until I settle in, I'll just turn it over to the readers for what else I've missed.

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    Sunday Musings: Open Thread | 11 comments (11 topical)
    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:03 PM EST
    Posted this on the curfew thread, but it should be right at home here. Speaking of curfews, looks like its 8:00 PM in Toledo. I assume TalkLeft is working up the post now. For the title may I suggest; “Young black gangs promulgate violence in response to Nazi accusation of young black gangs promulgating violence”. I don’t know if I should laugh or cry. Nazis 1, Toledo 0; sick.

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:03 PM EST
    Is Tony Packo's cafe OK? Great hot dogs.

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:04 PM EST
    Laura Rozen Points out this juicy bit:
    Until Frank Rich mentioned it in his column today, the New York Times has never mentioned the White House Iraq Group. Not once. Nor as far as I can tell, referred to it, even once, without that name. As if it didn't exist. How is that possible?
    War And Peace NYT, Judy Miller, and the neocons all working to keep us as uninformed as possible, what a surprise.

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:04 PM EST
    Has anyone else noticed how expensive it is to live these days? Gas in East Texas $2.90 Motorcycle insurance $2,600/yr (you have to get insurance to be able to legally register your bike by the way) 1 BR Apartment Rent $550-$950

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:04 PM EST
    Why is it that clear thinking and rational reasoning skills throughout society seem to be so much more in decline these days than in times past. Does it only seem so to me? Is it a perceptual disconnect on my part? In other words, am I under that impression only because I am noticing it more often, or is the decline really, objectively "out there"? If so, why? Is it a function of overload - too much information coming at people too fast, resulting in defensively grasping for the quick answer in platitudes and cliches?
    In 1983, in its landmark report A Nation at Risk, the National Commission on Excellence in Education warned: "Many 17-year-olds do not possess the 'higher-order' intellectual skills we should expect of them. Nearly 40 percent cannot draw inferences from written material; only one-fifth can write a persuasive essay; and only one-third can solve a mathematics problem requiring several steps."
    Is it a result, or is it a cause, of the culture of fear we seem to live in lately? Or something else? And what kind of a society is it shaping that we do and will have to live in?

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:04 PM EST
    You have got to be kidding Does everything always have to be somebody's fault? Has the US come to believe there is no such thing as an accident?

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:04 PM EST
    For the title may I suggest; “Young black gangs promulgate violence in response to Nazi accusation of young black gangs promulgating violence”
    I rather liked the ABC News version: "White Supremacists Riot in Toledo, Ohio". (For those who don't click, the rioters were black)

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:06 PM EST
    "Young black gangs promulgate violence in response to Nazi accusation of young black gangs promulgating violence”.
    Or Nazi accusation that blacks are inferior and should be gassed?

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by pigwiggle on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:06 PM EST
    Ernesto- “Or Nazi accusation that blacks are inferior and should be gassed?” The ‘Nazis’ were marching in this particular neighborhood in response to what they claim was local black gangs harassing white residents. But, lets say they were there to advocate extermination of the black residents. Is it then reasonable for these folks to rampage through their own (or anyone else’s) neighborhood looting gas stations and setting fires? I lived in north Idaho for the decade the Christian Identity movement tried (and failed, thank god) to make it their home. They would come to Coeur d’Alene and march, and the town would turn out and throw bottles, rocks, and insults. Not that I condone even this much; I think there are many more civilized responses to disagreeable or evil speech. But, no one fought the police and no one destroyed property. Local merchants gave away free stuff to try and keep folks away from the march; dinners, movies, ice cream, and so forth. This is a civilized response to disgusting hateful ideas. What can be said about the folks that acted like animals simply because some bigots accused them of being animals?

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:07 PM EST
    "The ‘Nazis’ were marching in this particular neighborhood in response to what they claim was local black gangs harassing white residents." 'The Nazis' is not a nice way to refer to the police force, whose job that is. Hitler attacked Czechoslovakia because he said that the Poles were castrating Germans there. So...NAZIS TO THE RESCUE!! "What can be said about the folks that acted like animals simply because some bigots accused them of being animals?" What can be said about comparing blacks to animals? People only threw rocks and bottles. How civilized!

    Re: Sunday Musings: Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:05:07 PM EST
    The Nazis marched in South Beach, Miami about 10 years ago. At the time, many concentration camp survivors lived there. Lots of yelling, and police snipers on rooftops, but no actual violence. A nice touch was when the local news "fuzzed out" the phone number on the nazi banner.

    Sunday Musings: Open Thread | 11 comments (11 topical)