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I have one more day at the Judge-Journalist workshop I'm attending in Reno and will be back to regular blogging tonight. If you're feeling like you have something to say, here's a thread for you.

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    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:16:45 AM EST
    I know there are moderate Moslems, I just can't seem to find'em.
    Hundreds demonstrated in Pakistan on Thursday, chanting "Death to Denmark" and burning Danish and French flags.
    But wait! I found one.
    But one Jordanian paper has reprinted the cartoons, with an editorial urging Muslims worldwide to "be reasonable".
    But then again...
    Palestinian gunmen briefly surrounded EU offices in Gaza to demand an apology over the cartoons.


    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by swingvote on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:43:36 AM EST
    I've been having a short chat with Jondee, Punisher, and Squeaky over on the Cheney e-mail thread which has quickly degenerated into the usual idiotic accusations because I said that, with Gore having gone through something similar in the late 90s and having had it dragged through the papers and into the courts, Cheney's staff (and Cheney) should have known better. Gore at least had the defense that e-mail was a new technology and how it worked and where it stood under the law was at least more of an open question than it is today. Cheney has no such defense and if those messages are missing, his office is at least in violation of standard government practice to archive everything, as well as a Federal Judge's ruling that the National Archives must approve deletion of any messages. As usual, Squeaky and Punisher have claimed this is all news to them, which I must say I find hard to believe, but hey, maybe they really were that out of touch with reality during the 90s, and Jondee has tried to paint this as a claim on my part that because Gore did it, it's okay if Cheney does it (which I never said). But all of this has made me realize that it's people like Squeaky, Punisher, and Jondee who are perfect reasons to vote Republican. After all, at least when there is a Republican in the Whitehouse, these people will pay attention to what is going on and raise a ruckus everytime something less than kosher pops up. But when a Democrat is in the Whitehouse, they forget to set their alarm clocks and can't be bothered to pay any attention at all, which just tells the current Whitehouse occupant that he can get away with anything he wants. (Yes, I realize a similar argument could be made about hardcore conservatives chasing Democrat malfeasance, but after their disastrous escapades of the 90s, I don't put much faith in anyone on that side of the divide doing it well). As such, it would seem that we are all safer with a Republican president and the lefties in full uproar. Somehow I doubt this is what these people had in mind, but there you have it.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by desertswine on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:45:19 AM EST
    I know there's moderate Christians, I just can't seem to find 'em. TV show condemned as blasphemous.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by soccerdad on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:49:26 AM EST
    just more BS from the resident neocon racist and a partisan politcal hack. The latter of which always whines that he's being unfairly treated and then dumps this kind of turd here. And he wonders why we think him irrelevant.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:51:15 AM EST
    jp - I didnt vote for Clinton. And heres a short exercise for you: look up the word prolix in the dictionary. Yes, I know, Clinton was long-winded and took up bandwidth too.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:02:26 AM EST
    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:03:14 AM EST
    As if he needed a reason to vote republican.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by swingvote on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:09:17 AM EST
    The latter of which always whines that he's being unfairly treated and then dumps this kind of turd here. And he wonders why we think him irrelevant. Says a man who knows a thing or two about dropping turds and being irrelevant. Jondee, What makes you think I vote Republican?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:09:49 AM EST
    jondee: jp... look up the word prolix another fitting descriptor: logorrhea

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by swingvote on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:18:08 AM EST
    SD, Furthermore, when "relevance" is defined as blind opposition to one of the two major political parties and equally blind adherence to the other, I'm happy to remain "irrelevant". Turd away!

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by pigwiggle on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:29:19 AM EST
    Am I the only one to take note of Justice Alito's first decision?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:29:27 AM EST
    Well, here's some fun for all:
    bush STFU speech: "America is addicted to oil" [...] "break this addiction." [...] "more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025."
    Asked why the president used the words "the Middle East" when he didn't really mean them, one administration official said Bush wanted to dramatize the issue in a way that "every American sitting out there listening to the speech understands." The official spoke only on condition of anonymity because he feared that his remarks might get him in trouble.
    Shorter bushco, 'c'mon, you didn't think he was actually telling the truth did you?'

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by peacrevol on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:31:34 AM EST
    Who is the democratic party going to nominate for the 2008 election. I have seen a short list with the following potential nominees: H Clinton J Edwards J Kerry J Biden M Warner B Richardson E Bayh T Vilsack Ok...Hillary Clinton is the devil...so PLEASE...no. John Edwards is a stuffed shirt. John Kerry wears his a$$ for a hat b/c he got it kicked so bad the last time he tried to run. Mark Warner is a republican wearing a democrat's shirt (ya gotta watch out for these people, I think he's under cover). Bill Richardson loves manditory mins. Evan Bayh loves the death penalty (plus nobody can say his friggin name). Tom Vilsack who? Tom Vilsack? who the hell is that? Oh yeah...he wants to increase spending for the war on drugs. That leaves Joe Biden. So....if I have to choose from the list above, I'd take Joe Biden. As for the repubs...who cares...I dont think any of those folks should be given ANOTHER chance in office. But then again...I think I'll just vote Libertarian...Badnarik in '08!

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:38:21 AM EST
    TL devoted at least one thread to Devin Brown, a 13 year-old wannabe banger who was fatally shot by an LAPD officer after he tried to run the cop down in the middle of the night with a car he stole. Many here on TL decried the officer's actions. Two days ago the officer involved was found to have acted properly.
    (AP) LOS ANGELES The civilian overseers of the Los Angeles police department ruled Tuesday that an officer acted policy last year when he fatally shot a boy, 13, who rammed a patrol car after a short chase.


    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by peacrevol on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:44:23 AM EST
    Well sarc, how about the sherriff in chino that shot the UNARMED AF captain while he was trying to comply with orders to stand?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:45:32 AM EST
    pw: ...Alito's first decision? that was interesting, wasn't it?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 09:55:30 AM EST
    s.u - They always act properly.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:01:28 AM EST
    Sorry, my links were bad above. Devin Brown and acted properly.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:03:31 AM EST
    And s.u, ramming a patrol car isnt the same as "running a cop down". Btw that "wannabe banger"(arnt they all); was that in the report or is that your little artistic flourish?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:13:12 AM EST
    peace, if whatever commision that reviews the incident finds that the cop F*d up and shot the guy when he shouldn't have, I say throw the book at him. Jondee, I'm going by memory here from back when TL posted the original thread, but the cop was on foot, not in a patrol car, and reports said that the kid stole the car to impress a gang.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:14:01 AM EST
    pigwiggle-Good catch!!! but we'll see.
    The way a justice votes on a stay request does not necessarily signal how the justice will rule on the merits of a death penalty case. The court earlier this week granted a similar stay of execution to another death row inmate from Florida.


    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:25:45 AM EST
    jondee- I can not help but be be amused by your apt usage of the word prolix in characterizing our wingnut interloper. Not only does he have logorrhea but he is pro (getting) licks. What else could someone be whose only contribution to a left oriented blog is to echo Coulter and her pals. Masochistic or ????

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#23)
    by glanton on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:28:58 AM EST
    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:36:28 AM EST
    glanton, Pretty sick. Let's see if any wingers here argue against tolerance after reading that.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:41:25 AM EST
    Just in from RollCall:
    House Republicans are taking a mulligan on the first ballot for Majority Leader. The first count showed more votes cast than Republicans present at the Conference meeting.
    sheesh.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#26)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:49:56 AM EST
    first ballot for Majority Leader. The first count showed more votes cast than Republicans present Why is this not surprising? Yeah, I know, I'm just being too cynical and partisan. Right? Right...

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:50:00 AM EST
    Fresh off the wires! Hundreds demonstrated in Tennessee on Thursday, chanting "Death to NBC" and burning ABC and NBC flags... But one Alabama paper has reprinted the 'Book of Daniel' outtakes, with an editorial urging Christians worldwide to "be reasonable"... Baptist gunmen briefly surrounded CBS offices in Pascagoola to demand an apology over the series... The Biloxi Martyrs of October 23 Brigade issued a video communique promising to "strike at the heart" of the secular devil... In other news, here's my entry in the Contagious Festival.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 10:55:10 AM EST
    It was completely sarcs opinion, not related to facts. BTW, here is a bit about LAPD civilian oversight.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 11:02:39 AM EST
    Sailor, sigh, ok, I'll google for you, wannabe banger:
    Police initially said Brown was a suspected gang member, but a spokeswoman said that investigators couldn't immediately confirm a gang affiliation. Friends and neighbors said the teen had recently begun skipping school and spending time with gang members after his father's death last year. They insisted, however, that he wasn't in a gang. "It's a bad crowd he was starting to hang with but he wasn't a gang member yet -- and I say yet," said Kevin Mitchell, a gang prevention specialist who knew Brown and himself a former gang member. "He was headed that way soon," he said. "God called him before the gang bangers called him."


    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#30)
    by ras on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 11:04:11 AM EST
    R's in the House have just elected Boehner as their new leader in a close 122-109 victory over Blunt on the 2nd ballot (Shadegg got 40 votes on the first ballot, then dropped out & it appeared his supporters chose Boehner on the 2nd). Boehner can credibly present himself as being against pork, and coupled with Bush's call for a line-item veto, the ball is now clearly in the D's court to respond with a plan of their own.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#31)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 11:20:11 AM EST
    Is that pronounced "Bayner", or "Bohner"?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 11:24:35 AM EST
    Since this is an open thread, has anyone seen this proposal -- TSA Announces Key Elements of Registered Traveler Program If you want to travel with fewer hassles, just give your fingerprints to the government:
    Smart Card Technology to be Used to Store Fingerprint Biometrics WASHINGTON, D.C. - The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) today announced several parameters for a nationwide private sector Registered Traveler (RT) program, including the biometrics to be used for identification purposes and the redress process for individuals who are denied access to the program. The Registered Traveler program is envisioned as a means to accelerate the screening process at participating airports for passengers who voluntarily choose to enroll in the program. ... In order to give industry the opportunity to begin offering Registered Traveler programs later this year, TSA is directing RT program providers to collect 10 fingerprint images from each applicant. This biometric information will be used to verify participant identity at RT checkpoints. These biometrics, which are in widespread use today, provide exceptionally high levels of accuracy. With 10 fingerprints on the participant's smart card, the likelihood that identity can be accurately confirmed is improved. To store biometric data for identity confirmation, RT programs will utilize Smart Card technology that conforms to current Federal Technical Implementation Guidance (see http://smart.gov), and biometrics will be stored consistent with biometric standards established by the American National Standards Institute/InterNational Committee for Information Technology Standards (ANSI/INCITS). All Registered Traveler data will be handled in compliance with the Federal Privacy Act.
    In their corporate travel service newsletter, Expedia writes:
    Many private companies are vying to provide this service, including Expedia® Corporate Travel in partnership with Saflink, Microsoft, Johnson Controls and ID Tech Partners. As the plan develops, we'll keep you posted on options for business travelers.
    Will we all be expected to sign up for this new identity card?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#33)
    by soccerdad on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 11:44:14 AM EST
    JP ROTFLMAO pretty weak there boy

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 12:41:20 PM EST
    justpaul:
    [long preamble] ... As such, it would seem that we are all safer with a Republican president and the lefties in full uproar
    Shorter version: "Since we know republicans will break the law and violate our rights, it's best if they are in power, because we can be sure that concerned citizens who want a better more honest and more responsible government will notice the problem". What BS! Most people would see that the logical solution is to put a more honest and responsible government in power, so that those who would break the law and violate our rights cannot do so.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 03:57:56 PM EST
    JP ROTFLMAO pretty weak there boy Which means a grand slam by your usual standards.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#36)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 04:21:18 PM EST
    Here is a real winner of a quote (guess who)
    "[Chavez] is a person who was elected legally, just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally and then consolidated power," he said.
    Oh well, so much for democracy. Better get Diebold on the job. link

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 07:38:06 PM EST
    cymro writes:
    Will we all be expected to sign up for this new identity card?
    Only if you want one. punisher - It's a hanging chad type of thing.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#38)
    by John Mann on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:45:49 PM EST
    Here is some truly shocking news.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#39)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:50:18 PM EST
    John Mann-I do not know if I will be able to sleep tonight after a such a shock. Next time add a veiwer discretion advisory.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 08:54:57 PM EST
    John Mann-Here is another shocker. I am going to tale a pill.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#41)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 05:32:45 AM EST
    Steve Clemons/The Washington Note has a great post/thinkpiece this morning about the ethics of blogger conference calls and the lately developing danger for the bloggers reputations and their impartiality and journalistic ethics as the calls sometimes devolve into sycophantic backscratching, with some bloggers slowly being drawn into the trap of becoming mouthpieces for Congressmen and Senators to ensure themselves access to breaking news and information, or to avoid being left out in the cold in an increasingly competitive blogosphere:
    In Japan, there is a word, giri, that means "mutual obligation". Giri can exist between journalists and politicians, between subordinates and seniors in a company, between different households in a community, between bank regulators and banks. Quite simply, if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. If I do something for you, then you owe me something in the future. The well-known Dutch Japan analyst, Karel van Wolferen, once wrote that giri was akin to "hostage-taking".


    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#42)
    by John Mann on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 07:09:16 AM EST
    In the light of all the criticism that George Bush is an idiot, the Republicans decide to hold a "George Bush Is Not Stupid" convention. Eighty thousand Republicans meet in the Kansas City Chiefs Stadium. Trent Lott says, "We are all here today to prove to the world that George Bush is not stupid. So ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce President George Bush." After the cheers die down. Lott says "Mr. President, we're going to prove to the world once and for all that you are not stupid. So tell us, what is 15 plus 15?" Bush, after scrunching up his face and concentrating real hard for a moment, declares, "Eighteen!" Obviously everyone is a little disappointed. Then the 80,000 Republicans start cheering, "Give Bush another chance! Give Bush another chance!" Trent Lott says, "Well since we've gone to the trouble of getting 80,000 of you in one place, I guess we can do that." So he asks, "What is 5 plus 5?" After nearly 30 seconds of chin-rubbing and grimacing, Bush meekly asks "Ninety?" Trent Lott is quite perplexed, looks down and just lets out a dejected sigh -- everyone is disheartened. But then Bush starts pouting, and suddenly the 80,000 Republicans begin to yell and wave their hands, shouting again "Give Bush another chance! Give Bush another chance!" Lott, unsure whether he's doing more harm than good, eventually says, "Ok! Ok! Just one more chance -- What is 2 plus 2?" Bush looks down, counts on his fingers, and after a whole minute, proudly announces "Four." A moment of total silence, then an electric charge surges through the stadium as pandemonium breaks out. All 80,000 Republicans jump to their feet. These GOP partisans start to wave their arms, stomp their feet and create a deafening roar: "GIVE BUSH ANOTHER CHANCE! GIVE BUSH ANOTHER CHANCE!"

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#43)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 07:15:55 AM EST
    Ha hahaha haha hahaha!!! Thanks, John! Who would you trust?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#44)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:37:59 AM EST
    edger writes:
    with some bloggers slowly being drawn into the trap of becoming mouthpieces for Congressmen and Senators
    Actually that should be written in the past tense...

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:41:38 AM EST
    Actually that should be written in the past tense... Yea, Hindraker is a prime example, isn't he?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:44:50 AM EST
    Bloggers on the left are more likely to be criticized for "hijacking" their party then for being "mouthpieces" for the current leadership.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:47:59 AM EST
    edger - Actually some will and some will not. Some have and some haven't. What the Internet doesn't need is some form of control, etc., because the value of it is that is a wide open, let the reader beware place. BTW - Very nice link. Thanks.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#48)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 09:27:43 AM EST
    Actually some will and some will not. Some have and some haven't. True... And I'm glad Jeralyn values her reputation and impartiality.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#49)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 09:40:45 AM EST
    "One of the hallmarks of adulthood versus adolescence is the awareness that mistakes have consequences. Recently, a foreign-born friend of mine asked why the American people believe that they have the right to expand, exploit, rape, pillage, murder and conquer every area of the planet. I could only answer by explaining the history of the United States--an epic saga of what my friend had just verbalized. Indeed, the bills are coming due, and unfortunately, it is now time for us to pay." "Our children are unlikely to demand an end to a perpetual war on terrorism until they hold draft cards in their wallets which have been sucked dry by that war's astronomical debt. We may never cherish our communities until we and our neighbors have to depend on each other for food and basic necessities of life. The preciousness of our resources will not be fully appreciated until they disappear or become very difficult to acquire." American Born, Addicted to Happiness Carolyn Baker/Research On Globalization

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#50)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 10:59:52 AM EST
    Chuckle of the day :-) LSD tested on British Troops (video)

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#51)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 11:35:10 AM EST
    ppj-
    What the Internet doesn't need is some form of control, etc., because the value of it is that is a wide open, let the reader beware place.
    Wonder which side you will take on this one. The End of the Internet?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 12:39:05 PM EST
    s.u - What part of "backed the car" and "toward" dont you get? Who trys to "run down" somebody by backing a car into them; particularly a thiirteen year old who's maybe driven a car once or twice in his life? The summation of your point in my view is one-less-little-N. I guess we should all be thankful it wasnt Mel Gibsons son in that car - might be actionable.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#53)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:21:06 PM EST
    Maybe if kids like this didn't have somebody like "Tookie" Williams to 'look up' to? At this point I was going to insert a link I found about black leaders (Jesse Jackson) plans to have a meeting prasing him as a local hero... nevermind the real black heros that where then named in the piece... (IE - Condelessa Rice, the black astronaut that died in the shuttle accident, Gen. Colin Powell etc...etc... ) let's get together and honor Tookie (the murdered) instead... But alas, I lost it. Hopefully, you'll all get the point anyway? Nice role model for kids like this ...huh?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:37:58 PM EST
    Yeah, B.B tell again how he faked a religious conversion "just like you'd do" and think about how he killed just like you'd do also.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#55)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:40:58 PM EST
    You can fuse a Vietnamese family together with napalm and "change" and do good but he cant. Who the f*ck are you God?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 02:59:24 PM EST
    The officers' car came to a stop just behind the Camry, which now contained only the driver. Officer Garcia was the passenger in the police car, and as he stepped from the car the Camry began backing toward him. Believing that the Camry's driver was attempting to run him down, Garcia opened fire, firing ten rounds.


    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 03:32:18 PM EST
    jondee writes:
    particularly a thiirteen year old who's maybe driven a car once or twice in his life?
    And the policeman knew this? And...
    Who trys to "run down" somebody by backing a car into them;
    How about anyone who sees someone in the rear view mirror they want to harm? You know...put it in R and put the pedal to the metal. Squeaky - Perhaps you should quit fighting the "domestic spy" (hahahaha) issue and let's talk about this, which is scary. edger - Too bad you didn't tell your friend.... Because your world has displayed a total inability to defend itself from any type of terrorist attack, you have created a "We're your momma" attitude that is reflected in a variety of ways. Rape and plunder though, isn't one of them. You couldn't stop Germany and Japan, so we came in. You couldn't stop the Soviets, so we came in. You couldn't stop the terrorists, so we came in. We are your child. Enjoy your grandchildren. edger wrote:
    Yea, Hindraker is a prime example, isn't he?
    But if you know the bias, why complain? I think KOS is terrible, but would fight to keep him going. If you can't win the battle of ideas, then you don't deserve to be here. BUT....that assumes no editorial control, and it does bother me to see some on the Left, and some of the Right, trying to shut the other side down.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#58)
    by Sailor on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 04:01:28 PM EST
    Once again people are relying on the LAPD to tell the truth. In reality, the LAPD lies over and over. I would recommend you read the actual outcomes of those incidents when they were investigated: The LA Times has a 17 page story documenting how often shootings are ruled 'justified', until an actual investigation is made.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#59)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 05:44:14 PM EST
    tristero posts a good one:
    With the United States beginning its February presidency of the Security Council, John R. Bolton, the American ambassador, reported the failure of his first effort from the chair, to get the 15 Council members to begin meetings promptly at 10 a.m. "Starting on time is a form of discipline," he said. "I brought the gavel down at 10. I was the only one in the room, though."
    From what I have read his diplomacy is at its best when he is alone.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 04, 2006 at 07:47:57 AM EST
    Squeaky - Nice snark at Bolton, but can't you agree on the substance of his remark? If the UN is to be effective it must regain control of itself. All of the scandals it is going through is a result of a lack of control and an attitude of "we can do what we want." Re your question re Internet.. Why don't you give up the "domestic spying" issue and let's work on this one, which could be a real issue.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#61)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 05, 2006 at 01:19:06 PM EST
    The LAPD has had one too many copter cam photo-ops and has recruited a few too many trigger happy cowboys. I stand by my point; a thirteen year old who may never have driven before and who's likely impulse was to get away probobly wouldnt be taking the time to perform Hollywood stunt driver manuvers. Sounds like Garcia was out of the car and getting ready to shoot already. Figures wingers would favor the death penalty for juveniles in stolen cars; plus we know theyre all suckers for a man in uniform.

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#62)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 09:26:08 AM EST
    Jondee... Yeah, B.B tell again how he faked a religious conversion "just like you'd do" and think about how he killed just like you'd do also. HUH? Try and make sense next time you type something. Yeah...I'm sure he was very "sincere" in his religious conversion. SO? My point is...he should be far from a "hero" in the black community compared to the others I mentioned. You can fuse a Vietnamese family together with napalm and "change" and do good but he cant. Who the f*ck are you God? I never dropped napalm...besides... I was a military man acting under orders.. (If you have a problem with that ..contact the Dem party...you know...the one that escalated the war!!!).. I didn't start a gang and murder people in the street. I know you libs have a real hard time diferentiating these two things...but try real hard wont ya? Are you prepaired to make me a hero too? You know, seeing how I was a killer and now am doing good???

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#63)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 04:48:03 PM EST
    B.B - "Huh?". You said on that thread that "you'd do the same thing(fake conversion)" if you were on death row. Im pointing out that if you would do the same thing in the same situation ie: death row, then theres a good chance that you would kill if you were in the environment that Williams was in on street. I mean, its all about self preservation right?

    Re: Thursday Open Thread (none / 0) (#64)
    by jondee on Mon Feb 06, 2006 at 04:53:46 PM EST
    "I was a military man acting under orders." Where have I heard that before? Im not judging you so much as questioning how it is that you can so easily set yourself up as judge and jury of someone you dont from Adam.