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New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go?

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Posted on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 10:25:46 AM EST
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Newsweek has released a new poll on President Bush.

President Bush's approval rating has dropped to new lows on domestic issues and public anger is rising over his handling of Iraq and homeland security, according to NEWSWEEK's latest poll. ...His image as an effective leader in the war on terror is tarnished, with less than half the public (44 percent) approving of the way he's handling terrorism and homeland security. Despite a series of presidential speeches meant to bolster support for the war in Iraq, as well as the announcement of a major military offensive when the poll was getting under way, only 29 percent of the people questioned approved Bush's handling of the situation in Iraq. Fully 65 percent disapprove.

What's more, 50% think the Democrats should take control of Congress.

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    New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? | 31 comments (31 topical)
    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 12:16:47 PM EST
    How low can he go? The dirt's the limit. He'll have subterranean ratings pretty soon. The worst part? He's got nothing to campaign for, can't be unelected, and we're stuck with him for a few more awful years.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#2)
    by Al on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 02:21:12 PM EST
    I'm afraid Bush may have already decided it's time to attack Iran.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Sailor on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 02:48:59 PM EST
    I'm afraid Bush may have already decided it's time to attack Iran.
    I think so too. They are going to roll out the iran attack in what they think of as the best marketing time to win the 2006 elections.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 03:43:28 PM EST
    It's gotta be the way they phrased the questions.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 03:59:42 PM EST
    et al - Again we have a poll that has a very small sample in which the political parties of those polled is not revealed. A reasonable person will then (again) note that the results are highly questionable. You would think that after Newsweek's huge mistake regarding the Koran story they would leab over backwards to demonstrate accuracy. That they do not speaks ill of them.
    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Johnny on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 04:02:29 PM EST
    LMAO Jim, how many polls is it going to take? Why don't you conduct one and show the world how it is done?

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 04:23:53 PM EST
    Ah, yes, the famous Newsweek Quran Story. If it wasn't for Newsweek being found in the waiting rooms of Doctors, Dentists, and Midas Mufflers throughout the Islamic World, many of the rioters - poor, toothless and carless - would never have gotten their marching orders and there would have been no rioting. Did it ever occur to you, Jim, that it's got more to do with Gitmo then just this one incident? Did it ever occur to you that the answer may not be on rovesputin's talking points?

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 04:35:12 PM EST
    I think so too. They are going to roll out the iran attack in what they think of as the best marketing time to win the 2006 elections.
    I think they desperately want to. I don't know if they can. Iran does have an Army. They do have Chemical Weapons. It's Three times the size of Iraq. Clearly, shrubco has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they don't give a damn about the Military. They're just props. They're just pawns to help 'em win elections. Or in this case, help 'em not to lose too badly.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#9)
    by John Mann on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 06:05:23 PM EST
    What's really stunning is that 44% of the respondents did not disapprove of this vile excuse for a President.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Sailor on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 06:07:11 PM EST
    Again we have a poll that has a very small sample in which the political parties of those polled is not revealed.
    Actually, every poll has their methodology and sample published. I think what this commenter means is 'la, la, la, I can't hear you, I got my fingers in my ears." It's understandable, it's a weekend and this commentator hasn't received his rnc talking points yet, so please forgive him for his repetitious, 'daft', 'ignorant', 'lisping', 'nut case', 'illterate', and 'psychobabbling' comments*. * all terms extracted from his previous remarks about other commenters.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 07:50:17 PM EST
    It's OK DA, we know he doesn't have any rational basis for his remarks, and from what I can tell after following his posts for a few months, I'm pretty sure he does too. He's just posting to get a rise out of us. Don't take the bait.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 08:00:32 PM EST
    Jim, you should research before you type:
    The Pentagon yesterday described five confirmed incidents of Koran mistreatment at Guantanamo Bay, in which the Muslim holy book was kicked, stepped on, soaked by water balloons, defaced with a scrawled obscenity, and in one recent case accidentally sprayed with urine.
    Poll taking is a science. Heard of "statistics". Don't you notice that all the polls are fairly close together? That is because they have to follow mathematical principles or they would not be considered credible. Oops, I'm sorry you might not understand the word "credible" since you are a Bush supporter. Want me to look it up for you? Want me to look it up for you?

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#15)
    by HK on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 01:33:24 AM EST
    Unfortunately, the credibility of these statistics is a moot point. The only poll that really counts is the one that takes place on election day in the ballot boxes. There is sadly some time to go before that day and we must suffer Bush in the meantime. On the bright side, that gives the Shrubster enough time to disenchant the seemingly small portion of the electorate who have overlooked his poor decisions and goofy logic so far.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 03:16:42 AM EST
    gives the Shrubster enough time to disenchant the seemingly small portion of the electorate who have overlooked his poor decisions and goofy logic so far. There will aways be a core, however small, who will remain intractable professing support of bush in spite of the extreme inner psychic conflicts they must be living with. They'll be angry most of the time, probably suffer boils, back problems, bad digestion and ulcers, erectile disfunction and the whole range of neuroses and stress related diseases. Their pets will run away. Their wives and husbands will leave them, and their children will hate them for the things they love. All because they are unable to admit that bush has been lying to them since the beginning, because they are unable through false pride and insecurity to admit that they were suckered from the start. Because they think they are too smart to be taken, they have been royally fleeced. They know it in their bones...

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 12:30:52 PM EST
    Dark Avenger - You understand my point, so quit dodging. If you don't match up with political affiliations, the results are meaningless. The majority will vote their party. And the poll didn't do that. Go read the lead post as of now, which is a long moan of why the world isn't in a broth, given all the negatives. And this is your answer. The polls are BS. Don't believe'em. debbie - Poll taking may be a science, but garbage in - garbage out applies. As for the Koran, I rally don't care what they did to it. And if the Moslems of the world have their feelings hurt, tough. cymro - Okay, keep on believing that people don't vote their party. I mean duhhhhhh.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#18)
    by jondee on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 12:47:59 PM EST
    Shorter Jim : Reality is B.S (its the product of a liberal elite conspiracy) dont believe it. I suggest you start slipping into your wig and corset Jim, the ship is going down.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 12:53:29 PM EST
    cymro - Okay, keep on believing that people don't vote their party. I mean duhhhhhh.
    I don't doubt your sincerity for a second, Jim.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 01:08:21 PM EST
    Do you really approve of the job George W. Bush is doing as your President? Really, really?

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 01:19:04 PM EST
    What do you suppose his ratings would be without the would-be theocrat vote? A huge part of the 30-odd percent who still approve of him is the intersection between (a) people who will believe anything; and (b) clergymen who will tell them anything (entirely for their own good, of course; the Faith-based Initiative funds are coincidental). Bush has milked them for all they're worth, and they follow him like Renfield to Dracula. But without them, would Bush's numbers be in the 20s? The teens?

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 01:21:38 PM EST
    March 17, 06 [Chris]MATTHEWS: The base. O'BEIRNE: Yeah, exactly. MATTHEWS: Will it hold? O'BEIRNE: This is lower than the base. MATTHEWS: Will it hold? ... MATTHEWS: Look at the slide here. Excuse me, Steve, but this is something people don't understand. This is not some seasonal change or -- it's a serial thing, as we say in statistics, a long trend line down from the high point, of course, when he was so heroic after 9-11, in the 80s. It's a pretty strong 45-degree trend line.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 02:00:04 PM EST
    Tweety and Snappy - presidents of their respective chapters of shrub's teenage fan club - are truly at a loss as their dreamboat is exposed for the lipsynching, no-talent fraud he is.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 05:01:40 PM EST
    Indianians are no longer strongly behind the war - March 19, 2006
    "It's chaos," said Roger Madaras, who voted twice for Bush. "How many more people are going to be killed? We were going in to free the people of Iraq, but as far as I'm concerned, a lot of them are worse off today than they were under the dictatorship." Madaras, the owner of a plumbing company, said he believed Bush when the president declared major combat to be over in May 2003, and is "disgusted" that Bush's rhetoric was hollow. And he is far from alone. Support for Bush and his handling of Iraq is sharply eroding across the American heartland... This month, the Indianapolis Star released poll findings that Bush's approval rating among Indiana voters stood at 37 percent -- a drop of 18 points over the past year. The numbers echoed national polls, but were particularly shocking in a state that has not voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964, and where Democratic presidential contenders often do not bother to campaign.
    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 05:44:59 PM EST
    If you don't match up with political affiliations, the results are meaningless. The majority will vote their party. And the poll didn't do that.
    so, Jim no one know how to do polls - except you. All the polls are close to the same, because they are scientific. Why should we consider you credible on this subject? You are not a mathematician, statistician, or a rational thinker.
    As for the Koran, I rally don't care what they did to it.
    I don't care either. I was just showing you that you were wrong when you spewed the Republican talking point:
    You would think that after Newsweek's huge mistake regarding the Koran story they would leab over backwards to demonstrate accuracy. That they do not speaks ill of them.
    I gave you the information, so that you might consider "thinking" before typing. I am trying to help you, Jim.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 06:07:34 PM EST
    edger quotes Roger Madaras:
    but as far as I'm concerned, a lot of them are worse off today than they were under the dictatorship."
    edger, this guy no more voted for Bush than you did. It has become a standard talking point for the Left to make that claim in an attempt to get some validity for their claims. How do I know? Read his comment. Any Bush voter would know better than that. BTW - Someone should tell Mathews you can take any two sets of numbers and demonstrate any angle you desire. A big duh to another guy who can't keep his points straight. debbie - No, you aren't trying to help anyone, and you certainly aren't helping yourself by demonstrating an inability to understand a few basic things. et al - And yet afrer all the pounding, all the false claims of the Left, all the biased reporting out of Iraq... after all of this, farmgirl (in another thread) hit the nail right on the head. You would think there would be wall to wall protests... But there aren't. I guess the public is just stupid, eh? Ever think you are wrong?

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Sailor on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 07:28:16 PM EST
    If you don't match up with political affiliations, the results are meaningless.
    well, that's a lie. Obviously this commenter is too 'unable to understand', or 'uninformed' or 'specializing in misunderstanding' to comprehend statistics. I know this is the bush era, but ignorance really shouldn't be rewarded.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 08:36:37 PM EST
    - Someone should tell Mathews you can take any two sets of numbers and demonstrate any angle you desire. Translation: "I haven't a clue when it comes to statistics. Therefore, my simple-minded cracker-barrel interpretation of what they mean is as valid as that of Princeton Associates, Zogby, Harris, or anyone else who does statistics for a living."

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Mar 19, 2006 at 09:00:16 PM EST
    No, you aren't trying to help anyone, and you certainly aren't helping yourself by demonstrating an inability to understand a few basic things.
    What are you talking about? I understand that you do not know what you are talking about. The emperor has no clothes!!!!!!! William F. Buckley has even said that the Iraq policy is a failure. Good grief, Jim the polls are correct. A person would have to be completely disconnected from reality not realize that Bush's approval rating is plunging. My friend who is a strong Bush christian is even having second thoughts about Bush.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 08:25:21 AM EST
    Jen - Buckley was a lovely Cold Warrior and a founder of the modern conservatives. That makes him neither always correct, or current in politics. He was also a fair to good "spy thriller" author. But his time has passed. If you base your strategy against the Right on his comments you are doomed to faulure. Molly NYC - Why bless your little yankee heart. If you all were so intelligent and all of that there stuff, perhaps you all would have noted that my comment re Mathews had nothing to do with the accuracy, or lack of, polls, but the fact that you can have a 45 degree angle merely by assigning values need to do so to specific spaces on a piece of paper. Said another way, both the X and Y axis must be of equal length. Said another way, if Bush's approval was 80% then and 40% now you must double the value of the base axis to get the 45 degrees. I made the point to indicate how Mathews will search and search for an over the top comment when just a statement of fact does the job quite well. Of course you do have to be a little intelligent to grasp this basic geometry concept. et al - You want to argue "statistics" by making claims that methodolgy doesn't affect polling results. Nonsense. Both the question and those polled also affect the outcome. Dark Avenger was quite helpful in noting:
    Results are weighted so that the sample demographics match Census Current Population Survey parameters for gender, age, education, race, region, and population density.
    What is not noted is that the: Actual weighting is now shown. Political party affiliation was not asked. (Or if asked, not shown.) Catch a clue people. The results of that poll are 100% questionable. Dark Avenger - In the case of Katie Couric no one would believe that she did not say that. ;-) The tip off though is it isn't bubbly enough. BTW - Looking back at the lost opportunities of the Demos during Clinton's day, I would say that Barney could have done a better job. At the very least he wouldn't have demanded that the CIA and the FBI not talk to each other. Of course some say that Clinton's blowing up an asprin factory would have made Barney proud. Where was Andy when we needed him? As for questioning intelligence, etc. Check out Ms Molly NYC's. She can give, I hope she can take.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 08:59:53 AM EST
    As for questioning intelligence, etc. Check out Ms Molly NYC's. She can give, I hope she can take.
    Well, we know you can't do either.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#35)
    by Sailor on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 10:18:38 AM EST
    you want to argue "statistics" by making claims that methodolgy doesn't affect polling results. Nonsense.
    Nobody said that. But skewing the numbers until you get a 1:1 correlation is ridiculous. Perhaps you just aren't smart enough to understand the topic. I'll just ignore further responses from this commenter on a subject he is so willfully ignorant of.

    Re: New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 10:21:10 AM EST
    Jim, you don't understand geometry either. Chris was just saying that if you had a line going from a point to a number in the 80's and then one going from the same point (vertex of the angle) to a number in the 30's that would form an angle that would be about 45 degrees. The lines that form an angle do not have to be equal. The 45 degrees is the measurement of the space between the two lines that form an angle. You measure this by using a protractor. I have never heard of "base axis", so I don't know what you are talking about.

    New Bush Poll: How Low Can He Go? | 31 comments (31 topical)