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July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda

By Jeralyn, Section War on Terror
Posted on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 01:17:29 PM EST
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The official British report on the July bombings in London is about to be released. The four suicide bombers were not acting for al Qaeda. They were home grown terrorists who hatched a cheap plan via the Internet.

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    July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda | 40 comments (40 topical)
    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#1)
    by orionATL on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 02:57:06 PM EST
    and so is most of the terrorism this country has faced since sept 12 2001. -- anthrax attacks (or readiness testing?) -- mail box pipe bombs in some western states -- threats angainst judges and county officals in some western states -- chlorine bomb plan in texas (derailed prior to exection) -- sniper killings of fourteen individuals in d.c. area -- what anti-abortion terrorism in this time period have i forgotten? -- violence against homosexuals what else have i missed?

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 03:04:35 PM EST
    orionATL- Then it is a good thing that we have been only expending rhetoric against al qaeda and not money or manpower. Talk is cheap. Osama lives and is the Chimp's uncle.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 03:20:22 PM EST
    The Al Qaeda excuse is wearing thin.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 04:26:44 PM EST
    Gee, another al qaeda related lie. What are the odds.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 05:54:29 PM EST
    Well that covers London. We also know that the Madrid bombings had nothing to do with al qaeda. That's two strikes. One more and they're out, right? If only I could find one more major attack that was claimed to have been perpetrated by al qaeda, but then later proved to have not been involved....

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 06:01:01 PM EST
    et al - So you are not concerned over your throat being slit, just as long as tou can say, "See, it wasn't al Qaeda!" Don't you think that is taking Bush hatred a but far?

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 06:03:58 PM EST
    "Bush hatred" isnt an explanation for anything. Got anymore bumperstickers?

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 06:33:51 PM EST
    ppj stays in fear of his throat being slit like a good patriotic American.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 06:51:46 PM EST
    "Know thy enemy." This is a battle of ideas as much as anything else. If we spend all our time focusing on one group while other groups are inflicting damage -- and young Western-born people are attracted to this kind of violence -- then we're losing. Carping about our "Bush hatred" doesn't really get anywhere, but I hope it makes you feel better!

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 07:30:53 PM EST
    Just think, in ever city, in every corner of the world, there's no end to the topics that Jim knows absolutely nothing about.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#11)
    by Sailor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 08:05:48 PM EST
    Actually it was just another attempt by ppj to hijack the thread. London wasn't AQ, Spain wasn't AQ, New York was, but bush has said he doesn't think OBL is important. Maybe he just want's to get his throat slit;-) There, see how easy it is to be provocative, accurate and on topic?

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#12)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 08:08:35 PM EST
    The Dark Avenger- a bedwetter?

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 08:16:58 PM EST
    Maybe bush meant Jim isn't important.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#14)
    by Patrick on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 08:17:59 PM EST
    Posted by charliedontsurf1 April 9, 2006 08:30 PM Just think, in ever city, in every corner of the world, there's no end to the topics that Jim knows absolutely nothing about.
    Hello Kettle, this is Pot, you're black.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 10:01:34 PM EST
    Squeaky, as they say in the medical field, the condition is functional, not organic.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#16)
    by HK on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 04:51:11 AM EST
    So there is more than one group that has a grudge against the West? Wow. That's a shocker. Will these politicians ever stop and think, 'Hmmm, maybe we're doing something wrong...'

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 05:07:36 AM EST
    Posted by Patrick April 9, 2006 09:17 PM Posted by charliedontsurf1 April 9, 2006 08:30 PM Just think, in ever city, in every corner of the world, there's no end to the topics that Jim knows absolutely nothing about.
    Hello Kettle, this is Pot, you're black.
    Wow, I think of all the people trying to bring light to the subject and it seems to me you live your life like a candle in the wind.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 07:06:00 AM EST
    charlie - You are quite good a one liners, but it has been called the WOT, not the WOAQ since day one, and the Left has protested vigorishly that al-Qaeda was not in Iraq, while also ignoring Saddam's connections and support to other terrorist organizations. Now we have Iran developing nukes and bragging how they have tricked the West, and we see terrorist organizations and attacks throughout SE Asia. Indeed, OBL said it clearly.
    So, the driving-away jihad against the US does not stop with its withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula, but rather it must desist from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world.
    So, wiggle and twist but you can't escape your own comments. I see nothing but barely concealed glee that it wasn't al-Qaeda, and no condemnation of the acts. Your interest certainly does not appear to be in the security and safety of America, but only in attacking Bush. The fact that this is a political struggle and that the two might be connected never seems to cross your mind. So how can we not understand when we read such comments as this one posted by Aaron on 4/10 at 4:51AM . Link
    When asked if he has any last words, Georgie just freezes up and has to be guided smiling and nodding towards his position on the guillotine.
    So keep up with the attacks. They prove my point and define you very clearly.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#19)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 07:39:57 AM EST
    ppj- and the Left has protested vigorishly
    It is clearly the right who is vigorish here. The skimmimg is much higher than the ordinary 5%- 10%. Clearly vigorish. Good use of the term though. Winning in Iran does not matter as long as the Right is vigorish. War is all that matters cause that is the game. And you thought you were hijacking the thread!

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 08:24:55 AM EST
    See, what we need is for our intel/justice agencies to covertly infiltrate these groups and get some individuals to turn informant. It can be done through drugs, gambling, money ideology, blackmail, coercion, rendition or a variety of ways. Once we have them, they can be followed and monitored for their activities. We can use deep datamining and modeling software to predict the groups' behavior and track every move. By wiretapping, we can pick up on warnings of impending attack and those warnings will likely also come from foreign intel agencies. Hell, we can even conduct actual terror-related drills in the places most likely to occur. The simulation software is so powerful that the actual events can be predicted-conducted in real time response. We can use the total information awareness to deep link any connection, however illogical and insignificant, to prove these guys are connected.... ...naw, it would never work.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#21)
    by aahpat on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 10:23:28 AM EST
    I am real curious to see if this group matches in significant ways the profile of the Madrid trian bombing group. They too had no direct connections to alQaida. A recent AP story reported: "While the plotters of the Madrid attack were probably motivated by bin Laden's October 2003 call for attacks on European countries that supported the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, there is no evidence they were in contact with the al-Qaida leader's inner circle, the intelligence official said. Most of the plotters were Moroccan and Syrian immigrants, many with criminal records in Spain for drug trafficking and other crimes. They paid for explosives used in the attack with hashish." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11753547/ This profile of independent actors inspired by alQaida but self propelled with drug black market resources and money is the significant national security issue of our time. Any oppressed dissaffected group of folks can mount a significant terrorist attack using the resources of the drug prohibition economy. And there is much more to this issue. I've written several essays on the terrorism/drug prohibition/national security nexus at my blog LeftIndependent

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 11:06:29 AM EST
    Any oppressed dissaffected group of folks can mount a significant terrorist attack using the resources of the drug prohibition economy.
    In the case of the London's attack, the alledged bombers had little else in common with each other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They were more like good citizens that were victims in the attack but shared enough common data that could create links and a story to create a few to blame. Let's ask about the security companies involved at the times and places of these attacks.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 12:44:38 PM EST
    rumi...you want to know about the time of the London bombings... lets just say that the British government were running Terror Exercises that "practiced" against bombing subways on the exact same day, at the exact same time, in the exact same locations as the actual bombings that took place. link how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? (on a side note...there up to 9 different War Games taking place here in the U.S. on 9/11)
    "There is no such thing as coincidence, just the illusion of coincidence."

    -V for Vendetta
    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 12:51:22 PM EST
    ian - I recall that there was evidence that the explosion damage in one of the Tube (trains?) or maybe the bus, had the floor metal blown inward. There was indication that the device was actually under the floor when it went off and would have had to be pre-planted. Do you remember seeing anything about that?

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 12:57:46 PM EST
    rumi- i remember reading about that too. Pre-planted bombs are a lot different than a few guys walking onto the train with backpack bombs. i'm looking for that story right now. for me, there are just too many coincidences in this whole thing, even before this new story came out.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#26)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 01:17:28 PM EST
    Why is it that when I listen to ppjs rhetoric I keep thinking of Ahab and the fate of the Pequod? And all because THE LEFT took his...leg thirty years ago.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 01:30:23 PM EST
    Squeaky - No rebuttal? Why am I not surprised. Wait! I just found your amazing in depth comment! I misspelled "vigorous." Wow. What keen powers of observation it must have taken to slice through my comments and make such an in depth and intelligent response. There is no doubt. The Sunday morning news shows await your awesone presence.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 01:37:40 PM EST
    I finally found it.
    11 July 2005 "I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived" Mr Lait, who teaches dance in Cambridge, believes he and his dance partner Crystal Main were the only passengers in the carriage who survived the blast without serious injury - even though they were sitting nearest to where the bomb detonated. ---- "We were right in the carriage where the bomb was. I was knocked out. I did not know what was going on. ---- He and Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been. "The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.
    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#29)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 01:56:12 PM EST
    ppj-
    Wow. What keen powers of observation it must have taken to slice through my comments and make such an in depth and intelligent response.
    Thanks!! I was hoping you would notice. Do you know yiddish or is that from your gambling hobby?

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 05:18:24 PM EST
    Squeaky - I don't speak Yidish, but I do speak Leftie: "BushBad, AmericaEvil, BushEvil, AmericaBad, IWon'tServe, TroopsAreKillingInnocents, CIABad."

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 05:40:35 PM EST
    Posted by JimakaPPJ April 10, 2006 06:18 PM Squeaky - I don't speak Yidish, but I do speak Leftie: "BushBad, AmericaEvil, BushEvil, AmericaBad, IWon'tServe, TroopsAreKillingInnocents, CIABad."
    Nah, I'm afraid you don't do that either, Jim. We'll just add that to the list of things you can't/don't do. Put it on your tab as it were. Come to think of it, you do have a real Cliff Klaven thing goin' on now that I think of it. Speakin' of which, your mother called. Anyhow, America's not evil. America's not bad. Why do you say stuff like that, Jim? Why do you hate America? You really oughta see somebody about that. The CIA's not bad. They just don't wanna lie to cover for shrub. They don't wanna make stuff up to make cheney or that lunatic, porter goss, happy.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 06:02:19 PM EST
    Jim, you just don't get it. It's truly astounding. Your comment, like all your comments, is just so fundamentally wrong on so many levels, it's just not worthy of rebuttal. You're just so head up the arse, brain-dead fred barnes, out of your freakin' gourd wrong about just about everything under the sun that you've got the damned thing risin' in the west and settin' in the east. No, Jim, Hillary didn't sell Hannibal the elephants so he could sneak nukes into Israel. Get some rest. You'll fee better in the morning. You don't have any old guns layin' around here for God's sake do ya? That's the last thing I need is for you to go uncle June on me. Get some rest. Yes, you can have your Reagan nitelite.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 06:10:20 PM EST
    ditto to what charlie said.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 06:31:57 PM EST
    Posted by JimakaPPJ April 10, 2006 02:30 PM
    Squeaky - No rebuttal? Why am I not surprised. Wait! I just found your amazing in depth comment! I misspelled "vigorous." Wow. What keen powers of observation it must have taken to slice through my comments and make such an in depth and intelligent response. There is no doubt. The Sunday morning news shows await your awesone presence.
    Allow me, squeak. So many wisecracks, so little time! Jim, your comments are all the same. Pedestrian. Pedantic. The answers to an Algebra I exam. Too bad it's an American History Test. I don't care what the White House calls it. They can call it Uncle Joe for all I care. It won't make a bit of difference. It'll still be a defective product like all the other crap they've run up the flag pole. Like all the other junk they've thrown at the wall to see it it'll stick. A defective product is a defective product. It doesn't matter if it's Easter or Christmas. As for the Sunday shows, Cheney's gonna lie. Fox is gonna lob softballs what the hell difference does it make? However, vigorish, will get you a visit from Paulie Walnuts you degenerate freakin' gambler. That's more than a mere misspelling. Paulie's idea of diplomacy is cuttin' your thumb off. He'll surprise you.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 06:47:15 PM EST
    Thanks charliedontsurf1 for the rebuttal. I have lost my taste for dropping pennies down the well. A occasional rejoinder is enough for me now, I guess I am on a low troll diet. Not that I am above it or anything, just sort of bored with it.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 07:05:36 PM EST
    Well, I'm bored with answering my troll mail. I figured I'd give yours a go. You know how it is.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 07:06:52 PM EST
    Well, I'm bored with answering my troll mail. I figured I'd give yours a go. You know how it is.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 07:16:32 PM EST
    Yes I have done the same. Sometimes it is too tempting to resist.

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 09:33:11 PM EST
    I misspelled "vigorous." DA - Have you nothing better to do than make a 412 word comment complete with a couple of misspelled words because I happened to comment I don't think the guy is a poker player? Link One misspelling, don't bother two misspellings, start to holler

    Re: July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Apr 11, 2006 at 10:57:51 AM EST
    thanks rumi! what i don't get is that this stuff we're talking about doesn't get any play, even on here! i just don't get it.

    July London Bombings Not Connected to Al Qaeda | 40 comments (40 topical)