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By Jeralyn, Section Civil Liberties
Posted on Mon May 01, 2006 at 11:57:27 AM EST
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Here's downtown Denver this morning, taken by 5280's Jeff Panis. Larger version here. Update: Police estimate the crowd at 75,000 and stretched for a mile. That's huge for a city the size of Denver.

Tom Tancredo is stewing today. As I wrote over at 5280 this morning:

Leave it to Tom Tancredo to resort to fear-mongering, hyperbole and disingenuity in his National Review column on today's immigration rallies.

....It's politicians like Tancredo who use the immigration issue to push their own xenophobic agenda that prevents us from having serious, rational discussions about the need for comprehensive and humane immigration reform.

I don't expect everyone to agree with my position on immigration reform. But at least I address the issues rather than spout sourceless statistics or resort to fear-mongering in the style that has become so prevalent with Tom Tancredo.

Update: More Denver photos.

Update: Read the speech (pdf) given by former Denver Mayor Federico Pena at today's rally.

Photo by Ken Papaleo of the Rocky Mountain News (larger version here.):

Go over to RejectTancredo.com and sign the petition.

The Rocky Mountain News reports on the day's events:

Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper walked out of the Webb Municipal Building as the crowd was growing in the park across the street. "I wanted to see it and feel it," the mayor said.

Update: The TL kid just phoned in from New York, he's in the midst of thousands of people south of Union Square on his way to class. He says it's the coolest thing he's ever seen. Photo here.

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    "We Are America" Day in Photos | 38 comments (38 topical)
    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon May 01, 2006 at 12:26:02 PM EST
    I must say that is some backdrop in the large photo. I have always lived next to, or on the ocean, but it looks very pretty there.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon May 01, 2006 at 12:29:15 PM EST
    Oscar, as the Denver Post used to proclaim in its tagline every day, "Tis a privilege to live in Colorado."

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#3)
    by Punchy on Mon May 01, 2006 at 12:58:13 PM EST
    I used to think our double-team action of "I hate anything with a" Brownback and Roberts was the worst in the nation; now I'm familiar with Tancredo. And Colly takes the award. Seriously, when this guy goes to Bed, Bath, & Beyond, does he buy the sheets and pillow cases with the pre-cut eye holes, or does he make the clerk cut out the holes for him? Is he getting a discount from Home Depot when he purchases the cross and gasoline at the same time? What a freakin monster.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#4)
    by demohypocrates on Mon May 01, 2006 at 01:14:22 PM EST
    This whole "fear mongering" accusation is the most vacuous argument in political discourse and the left can't finish a sentence without mentioning it. Was it fear mongering during the Social Security reform debate (little old ladies without enough money for groceries)? Is it fear mongering when we hear talk about back alley abortions and lynchings? Funny how a thread cant be posted on Talkleft without a comment comparing Bush to Hitler and the right is accused of fear mongering.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#5)
    by demohypocrates on Mon May 01, 2006 at 01:15:26 PM EST
    Thank you Punchy, for proving my point.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#6)
    by Punchy on Mon May 01, 2006 at 01:34:25 PM EST
    Ha ha ha!!! Oh, the hypocrisy is pure comedy! A righty accusing the left of fear mongering!! Oh jeez, now THAT's funny. Let's take a look...now that Bush has safely been elected...how many times since Nov 2004 has the "Terror Color Thang" moved up? How many "Orange Alerts" have there been since he no longer needs them? How many were there in the 2 years prior to Nov. 2004? Case closed. And we're the ones supossedly fear mongering. That's richer than Bill Gates.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Mon May 01, 2006 at 01:57:14 PM EST
    Demo - You forgot to mention all the needless fear mongering when your clueless-in-chief was trying to sell Port Security to the highest bidder or, the fear mongering about your heros putting us in debt to China ( they have a great version of the National Anthem ), for the next hundred years.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#8)
    by legion on Mon May 01, 2006 at 02:16:51 PM EST
    Wow. I knew Tancredo was a disgusting, race-baiting bigot, but daaaaamn! He really lets his colors fly here. What's the first - the very first - thing he goes after in describing what a wonderful world this would be without illegals? A drop in ER visits and OB-GYN deliveries. The very idea that these are things people voluntarily do, and can re-schedule at the drop of a hat, shows his ignorance of what life is like when you don't have nice fat 6- or 7-figure salary. And his implication that illegals don't deserve even emergency medical treatment reveals his true belief that they are subhuman. What an asshat.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dadler on Mon May 01, 2006 at 02:31:53 PM EST
    Glad to see the turnout, the photos are cool. This entire god*amn country was founded by "illegal" immigrants, who committed genocide to take what they wanted. And now we want to criminalize a tide of humanity acting much more productive and contributory than our original illegals did. We want all the advantages of the global economy, that keeps many people essentially enslaved for our economic benefit, but we don't want to deal with ANY of those poor people, or their plight, or their desperate longing for a better life. It is something NONE of us has ever had to face, and few here seem to have the imagination to comprhend and deal with it in a humane manner.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#10)
    by demohypocrates on Mon May 01, 2006 at 02:51:04 PM EST
    The post that keeps on giving. Genocide, enslavement, no you're not one for hyperbole are you, Dadler, or do you really believe that nonsense.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Mon May 01, 2006 at 03:02:51 PM EST
    Who do I have more in common with? The marchers, or the owners of that pallet mfg'ing sweatshop? The houses of Bush and Saud, or the Gomez house down the block? Jose the landscaper, or "Fat Bastard" CEO of Exxon? I think I know whose side I'm on...and whose in the same boat as me. March on brothers and sisters...march on. I think it's beautiful.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#12)
    by Dadler on Mon May 01, 2006 at 03:23:32 PM EST
    Demo, A repost indeed. Felt compelled, what can I say? Call me vain. Do I believe it? Who founded the country again, were they legal immigrants? No. You know who they were? They were all the puritans and religious fanatics in Europe who got on boats and sailed right HERE, then slaughtered the natives and took over, manifest destiny and all. And they worshipped Jesus, who's message was certainly "Be better to the poor than you have to be" and "The poor will inherit the earth". So where's that ethic now? "Screw them, it's too late" seems to be the response. Also, do you understand how the global economy works? Ever been to a sweatshop in YOUR OWN country, much less some third world nation? Ever been to Nigeria, where the poor folks who actually LIVE on the land the oil is beneath are treated like a nuisance, by companies and a regime we support -- companies who often hire their own private armies to protect them from local sabotage? Or you ever been a diamond mine? Or the places they get the minerals to make things like cell phone batteries? Metals and The Wealth of Nations Or try Lake Victoria in Tanzania (a great microcosm of the "consumer" world) where they "grow" gourmet perch for the west to eat (mostly Europe), while the locals get the heads and remains, continued poverty, and a lake being killed by commerce. This fish was the subject of a great little documentary called "Darwin's Nightmare", check it out if you can. To put it bluntly, the rich (and I'm using a standard much lower than I suspect you would) are still treating the poor like sh*t, even if in our otherwise good hearts we just can't believe we are.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Mon May 01, 2006 at 03:30:06 PM EST
    Yeah Demo, our history has nothing to do with enslavement and genocide, or exploiting the weak, or anything other than fighting the never ending battle for truth,justice and the American Way. Go back to the "The Way Things Ought to Be" land where everythings beautiful all the time.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 01, 2006 at 05:00:03 PM EST
    Dadler - Now that you have established that you are embarassed over our past, despite the fact that it has produced the greatest and most equal society in the history of mankind; and for all of the poor people of the world, what does any of that have to do with the fact we are being invaded by millions of illegal aliens? If you want to live in economic conditions similar to what they now have in Mexico and Nigeria, just keep on dumping thousands of people into an economy that is based upon supply and demand. More supply, lower price. You do understand that, don't you? Shall you curse the people who employ these illegal aliens? By all means, and I will join you. But wages will not go up as long as we have ten illegal aliens standing in line to cut your grass, put a roof on your house or any other job that US citizens and and will do if the illegals are gone and the wages improved. And if anyone here doesn't understand the stress that the illegal aliens put on our health care system, just visit any major hospital's emergancy room. You will discover that it is full, and that the language being spoken is Spainish. If you don't think they are also costing millions in tax dollars in education, consider this. An illegal alien puts three children in K-12. The state is paying about $5,000 per year per child (without considering infrastructure cost) or about $15,000. How can people working for less than minimum wages contribute even a fraction of this cost to the economy? They can't. Am I being mean and heartless in pointing this out? I am quite sure that all the ususal suspects will do so while screaming racist, etc. But these are just facts, and the problems need to be addressed because first and foremost, the sheer numbers are insuring that they aren't being assimilated into the American culture, but rather establishing a new one. Now this may a good, it may be bad. The point is when this happens we are trading for a bird in the bush. We simply don't know. A more reasoned approach would be to shut off the flow for a while, let the system digest the numbers already here, and then determine if, and when, we want more.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 01, 2006 at 05:16:09 PM EST
    kdog - Life's a journey. The question shouldn't be where you are, but where you are going. Do you want to be more like the rich guy, or the poor guy? And don't think that you can demand the status quo, because it won't stand still. Dadler - I missed this. You wrote:
    It is something NONE of us has ever had to face, and few here seem to have the imagination to comprehend and deal with it in a humane manner.
    As a son of a sharecropper, I think I have a solid grasp on poverty and discrimination. The way out is not in taking low end jobs away from other poor people. All you are doing there is being a tool for the people who take advantage. And while it is easy to say that a $5.00 an hour job is better than what was available in Mexico, there are others who are coming right behind who will be happty to do it f0r $4.00. With an endless labor supply, there is no bottom to wages. Mexico has long depended upon the US to be their safety valve, and some in the US have depended on Mexico to provide cheap labor. Let's turn off the valve and pay a few dollars more for goods and services provided by people making a decent living. And Mexico can fix its own problems.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#16)
    by rMatey on Mon May 01, 2006 at 05:42:54 PM EST
    Anyhow, I saw on t.v. that the illegal immigrants, uninvited permanent guests, or whatever you call them; are responsible for 7.2 million jobs. In other words, we are supporting 12.8 million uninvited people who should not be here.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 01, 2006 at 08:19:56 PM EST
    charlie - You remain the master of not being able to understand. But then again, nuance is unknown to you. I wrote:
    A more reasoned approach would be to shut off the flow for a while, let the system digest the numbers already here, and then determine if, and when, we want more.
    You write:
    So, you're ambition, you're solution to this particular dilemma is to raise yourself out of poverty and despair and be the one who sticks it to someone else while you go on defending the indefensible. What a guy! You're a real Mensch, Jim.
    Actually at my age my ambition is not find my name in the obits... But, ignoring your usual trashy insults and stupid remarks aside, how can you help someone else if you are poor yourself? So yes, my ambition was to improve my lot in life. Now that didn't give me a lot of time to worry about baseball trivia, but hey, somethings just aren't really important.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Tue May 02, 2006 at 06:07:09 AM EST
    The question shouldn't be where you are, but where you are going. Do you want to be more like the rich guy, or the poor guy?
    I want to be like the honest man making an honest living. Material wealth never really appealed to me...I've got a soul I'm trying to keep clean. I just don't want me or my fellow proles shat on.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#19)
    by dutchfox on Tue May 02, 2006 at 08:42:04 AM EST
    Over 200 protesters and strikers marched in our small city of Burlington, VT (39,000)...with our mayor, too....he is working with the city attorney on the feasability of making Burlington a sanctuary city.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#20)
    by Dadler on Tue May 02, 2006 at 10:27:07 AM EST
    Jim, You were never faced with crossing a border. With leaving your country. With hiking through the desert for your life. Secondly, it all has to do with illegal immigration because as beneficiaries and de-facto supporters of third world exploitation (are you really going to deny that?), it should come as no big shakes that a tide of humanity continues to make its way north to take advantage of the inequality in relation to the rights of capital vs. the rights of labor. We can either deal with it as a humanity issue, which it is, or as a criminal issue, which it only is if we view the problem from a completely inhumane POV. You cannot stop a tide of humanity that is justified in their striving. Unless you want to start acting like East Germany did with their wall.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#21)
    by Dadler on Tue May 02, 2006 at 10:30:57 AM EST
    Add Jim, Come on, my friend, I live FIFTEEN MINUTES FROM MEXICO. I know and experience firsthand the "burden" illegal immigration puts on my community. You know what? The Padres and Chargers and political corruption are burdening the city infinitely more than illegals.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Tue May 02, 2006 at 11:18:27 AM EST
    Then there is this:
    When visiting cities like Chicago, Milwaukee, or Philadelphia, in pivotal states, he would drop in at Hispanic festivals and parties, sometimes joining in singing "The Star-Spangled Banner" in Spanish, sometimes partying with a "Viva Bush" mariachi band flown in from Texas.
    think progress

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue May 02, 2006 at 11:59:56 AM EST
    Bush has been caught on tape speaking Spanish to people who should only be speaking and reading English? What is this world coming to?

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#24)
    by BigTex on Tue May 02, 2006 at 01:21:51 PM EST
    You cannot stop a tide of humanity that is justified in their striving. Unless you want to start acting like East Germany did with their wall.
    They are not justified in their striving. They say they are marching for the right to make a living. They already have that option. Go through the system. You don't have to become a citizen to come and work in the US. You don't have to go through the long drawn out naturlization process. You can already come over and work legally. That's not what this is about. This is about keeping the unfair economic advantage that comes with the illegal status. Level the playing field and many of the jobs dry up. No longer can citrus growers in FL hire one person on paper for 6.75 with the expectation that the rest of the family will come work for free. The man then can file a complaint, and the entire family gets paid. No longer can companies import illegal labor and undercut the prices that established, law abiding companies. Even if this were about making a living, the question is why should the jobs go to those from Mexico? What greater right to they have to jobs than citizens? Why do they have the right to break the law to obtain employment? Why should we give up jobs so that others may have them? Don't we have a right to do our own work? This isn't a case where Mexicans* are taking jobs that no one else wants. This is a case where Mexicans are taking jobs that citizens want and try to take by using their unfair illegal economic advantage. This isn't a case of citizens won't do the job, it's a case of they can't compete with those willing to break the law and work for illegal amounts. They have a message. Yes, but so does the opposition. Listen to what is being said on the other side. The cry isn't to boot everyone out. The cry is to boot the illegal aliens out. The cry isn't to purge the country of those who are minorities. The cry is if you want in this country, you are welcome as long as you go through the process. The cry isn't to stop immigration, the cry is to stop illegal immigration. The cry is for a level playing field. That message is more worthy of support than the message of maintain the status que. No the marches aren't a mass of humanity justified in their striving. They are a mass of humanity fighting to keep breaking the law and to keep the concurrent unfair advantage. The marches are a mass of humanity that is playing us for fools, banking that we will not open our eyes and see that the very goal they say they seek is inherently unacheivable because it is a negative feedback loop. This isn't justified striving. *Mexicans is used as a proxy for all illegal aliens throughout this post.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue May 02, 2006 at 02:01:47 PM EST
    o'schoolin'
    Lose crap like that before you critcize the grammar of others you paompous assh*le.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#26)
    by BigTex on Tue May 02, 2006 at 02:12:29 PM EST
    Tex, your ludicrous, reactionary, neanderthal "ideas" notwithstanding, I'm just not buying this business of you being in grad school. Apart from your atrocious spelling and grammatical skills - which would put a 7th Grader in a Remedial Skills Section and rightfully so - your logic and composition is utterly primitive for someone who claims to be at a Graduate Level. Twenty years o'schoolin' and they never put a Strunk and White in your hands? I find that hard to believe.
    Do you have something subsnative to say, or is this merely a trolling attempt?

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#27)
    by Dadler on Tue May 02, 2006 at 06:26:55 PM EST
    Tex, We border an essentially third world nation, and we've been the massive beneficiaries of third world exploitation. People risking their lives to come here, in a world where money has more rights than labor, is indeed justified. If you didn't like the marchers, fine, that's your right. But a man who claims to believe in the message of Jesus, who doesn't see this issue as CENTRAL TO HIS MESSAGE, gotta tell you, it just stumps me. And again, I live fifteen minutes from Mexico, I see it all firsthand, and, like I told someone else up this thread, the Padres and Chargers and political corruption are much bigger drains on the city than illegals.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#28)
    by BigTex on Wed May 03, 2006 at 12:08:53 AM EST
    But a man who claims to believe in the message of Jesus, who doesn't see this issue as CENTRAL TO HIS MESSAGE, gotta tell you, it just stumps me.
    This isn't central to the message of Christ. The Corporal Works of Mercy are: To feed the hungry. To give drink to the thirsty. To clothe the naked. To visit and ransom the captives. To shelter the homeless. To visit the sick. To bury the dead. This does not touch upon one of the works. Mexico has the agricultural resources to feed and give drink to their own. The other countries that are source regions for illegals are eligible for food aid from the US if needed. None of the other works seriously apply to the immigration issue. Also, remember, I'm not saying that we should stop all immigration, just that we should stop illegal immigration. The workers are free to go through the process to come here legally. This isn't shuttig off the availibility for the workers to come here, just makes them work in the system. If anything, stopping illegal immigration is closer to the works of mercy. If the workers are here legally they are paid more, with a side effect of wages in general going up (feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless.) They have better access to health care because they have more access to insurance, or county based indegent programs that are not available to them as illegal aliens. As illegal aliens they to a very large degree have to rely on EMTALA. As legal aliens they can rely on chairty programs and indigent programs (visit the sick, generally.) Stopping ilelgal immigration and making them come back as legal aliens gives them the confidence to go to law enforcement if there is need, and helps to end sex slavery commonly practiced by human smugglers (To visit and ransom the captives.) Bury the dead is already taken care of. Your logic of this being central to the message of Christ only holds if the cry is to stop all immigration. That's not the cry. The cry is stop illegal immigration.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#29)
    by BigTex on Wed May 03, 2006 at 12:11:15 AM EST
    Should read, allowing illegal immigration does not souch upon the Works of Mercy.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 03, 2006 at 07:07:37 AM EST
    So using incorrect spelling as a mimic of a pop song is acceptable, but a typo shows ignorance. Is that the rule smartasscharlie?

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#31)
    by Dadler on Wed May 03, 2006 at 09:42:59 AM EST
    Tex, You have quite an institutional view of Christ's message. I do not. And quite a limited view of mercy and kindness and generoisity. If you think Christ would be for sending them all back, criminalizing their "illegal" status, then we have a disagreement of chasmic proportions. I find it impossible to believe that the real Christ in the Bible would support the artificial borders of man over the genuine needs of the poor. And don't hit me with the "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" for him being a law and order guy, that's a much later rewrite having nothing to do with the Jewish spiritual revolutionary that was Jesus, and everything to do with assuaging the Romans that, no no, we won't be like those always rebelling and troublesome Jews, we'll pay our taxes. I don't believe in the technical and institutionally biased degrees of anything you do. For me, no one on this planet has anymore knowledge of the spritual, God, Jesus, Buddha, any of them, than anyone else. The Pope has no more insight into the mystery of God than the lowliest servant. And Jesus, Tex, was a radical, a reformer, a revolutionary. He would've been marching with the masses, who were merely seeking honest recognition of their indescribably huge contribution to the United States of America. The free market is only free if labor has the same freedom as capital. It if doesn't, it will always cross borders to seek a better life. Unless you're willing to shoot them on sight from a watchtower like the East Germans. The inequalities of the Global Economy, which we fully support and benefit from, are not going to disappear anymore than the tide of humanity will. Be good and just and generous to the poor, be better to them than you and we have to be, and I'd say we'll see some progress. As long as the dollar is the bottom line, which it always is in the world's largest capitalist nation, then the overwhelmingly humane aspect of this problem will remain and become worse.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dadler on Wed May 03, 2006 at 09:48:32 AM EST
    Add Tex, Should've added that I cannot begin to believe that the radical, the reformer, the revolutionary Jesus of history (as opposed to the Christ of Faith) would've seen any difference between legal and illegal aliens IN THIS CONTEXT. Not when the conditions that lead so many to choose the latter route are so obvious in their desperate nature.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#33)
    by Dadler on Wed May 03, 2006 at 09:57:18 AM EST
    Last Add Tex, Sorry if I sounded snippy, didn't mean to. I'm just the kind of person who thinks the Council of Nicea was the worst thing ever to happen to Christianity. For me, it's theologically and philosophically downhill from that point -- 1700 years ago!! The limiting of the gospel narratives to the four in the New Testement kept us from really getting a full picture of Jesus, precisely at a time when it was vital. But "leaders" were too busy deciding for themselves how to play God and what books to put in "his" book.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#34)
    by BigTex on Wed May 03, 2006 at 10:33:52 AM EST
    Dadler - I am hesistant to continue this vein of discussion because of TL's dislike of religous discussin, so will keep the remarks brief. I do not beleive that there would be a problem with the difference between legal and illegal immigration or borders. Regarding borders, there was no effort to abolish borders. There was the command to go to towns and heal, but if the town rejected you to abandon the town. There wasn't a command to go out and force the town to do my will. The command wasn't to go out and eliminate towns. Also, the mission was to go out and spread the good news, not go out and assimilate everyone. As far as good works, remember the goal wasn't equality, the goal was to meet need. Jesus had no problem with the rich as long as they gave to the needy. Being rich wasn't a sin, bring rich and selfish was the sin. Applying these principles to the current situaion, if the case were illegal immigrants couldn't provide for themselves, and their home country couldn't provide for them, then there would be no problem with seeking help from elsewhere. But that is not the case with Mexico. The immigrants don't come over because of need, they come over because of greed. They can provide for themselves in Mexico, they just have a better life here in the US. That's not what the message was about. The message focused on need. To come over to have a better life isn't need. It isn't what the message was about. The message isn't create equality, the message is to help the needy. Since there is an absence of need of the illegal immigrants, there would not be a problem with following the law regardign immigration. Jesus didn't come to destroy all law, only unjust law (as proof, the 10 Commandments, a form of law, still survived after Christ.)

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Wed May 03, 2006 at 10:42:09 AM EST
    I guess that is "brief" Texas style.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Wed May 03, 2006 at 10:53:17 AM EST
    Being rich wasn't a sin
    Now I'm no theologian...but I seem to recall something about it being easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. So if being rich isn't a sin, why can't the rich go to heaven? The Jesus I learned about in 4 years of Catholic education would most certainly have been out there marching with his flock.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#37)
    by Dadler on Wed May 03, 2006 at 11:35:54 AM EST
    Tex, I know, this is something TL might not like, so be it. However, if it is really easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven, well, being rich IS a sin. The only level of unselfishness that Jesus would seem to accept is that of a rich person giving their riches away to those who need it.

    Re: "We Are America" Day in Photos (none / 0) (#38)
    by Dadler on Wed May 03, 2006 at 11:39:45 AM EST
    Last Add Tex, We'll end it here. But I think it's clear we have a gigantic difference over what exactly Jesus' message was. Night and day. The difference to me is between the Jesus of History and the greatly mythic, institutionally created, Christ of faith.

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