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1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins

The "We Are America Alliance" is launching an immigrant voter registration drive today in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and other cities. Its goal is to register 1 million immigrant voters for the November elections.

During the summer, immigrant advocates will encourage community organizations, union halls and churches across the country to become "immigrant action justice centers." Voter registration forms, citizenship information, letters addressed to politicians and phone numbers to call members of Congress will be available. The groups also plan to set up mobile information centers in high-traffic areas.

The group also plans a mass lobbying of Congress on the pending immigration reform bills:

The group hopes to influence senators working to craft new immigration laws before Memorial Day, said Angela Sanbrano, executive director of the Central American Resource Center. "The next two weeks are crucial for the immigration reform bill," she said.

Immigrant advocates plan to collect postcards addressed to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) requesting a "path to citizenship" for immigrants. Immigrant leaders from several cities will converge on Washington on May 17, which they call "National Lobby Day," to deliver the cards and meet with their own congressional delegations.

You don't have to be an immigrant to weigh in with your Senators and demand that the final bill must be humane and provide equality and a clear path to citizenship. As I've said before, the reforms we need are ones which will:

  • Provide the opportunity for undocumented immigrants to legalize their status
  • Eliminate criminal sanctions for immigration violations
  • Expand avenues for legal immigration and support family reunification
  • Provide access and options for permanent residency and citizenship
  • Strengthen labor protections and their enforcement for all workers, both native and foreign born
  • End the employer sanctions program
  • End border and immigration enforcement abuses

Legalization should be immediate and without conditions. There should be no criminalization and no border walls. There must be protection of labor rights and civil liberties.

Remind your Senators that in November, 1 million new immigrant voters will remember their position on immigration reform when they go to the polls for the first time.

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  • Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 03:51:24 AM EST
    Is that 1 Million Legal or Illegal Immigrants?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 05:10:20 AM EST
    Since you don't care whether an immigrant came here legally or not, perhaps you could take the time to explain which other laws we should ignore. As a member of the bar, of course.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:03:57 AM EST
    jr - There's not a point you can't miss apparently... From TL's post:
    Voter registration forms, citizenship information, letters addressed to politicians and phone numbers to call members of Congress will be available ... the final bill must be humane and provide equality and a clear path to citizenship.
    And btw, perhaps you would write to bush asking him to take the time to explain which other laws we should ignore?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:29:06 AM EST
    re: James Robertson "Since you don't care whether an immigrant came here legally or not, perhaps you could take the time to explain which other laws we should ignore. As a member of the bar, of course." As you know, for every undocumented worker there is an employer engaged in criminal hiring practices. In a hypocritical move, Bush and the Republicans have stopped enforcing this part of the law. http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/051101_nd.htm has a summary and links How come we never hear about that?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:32:29 AM EST
    edger - The post clearly speaks of voter registeration. If the person is not a citizen, why the registeration? Non-citizens, legal or illegal, shouldn't be let within a 100 feet of a voter registeration card. And every state at every polling place should be requiring two proofs of citizenship to vote. The intent of this group is plain to see. They make the Florida Demos wanting to count "hanging chads" look good. marc sobel - The immigration laws haven't been enforced for years and years and years, so your "Bush claim" is just an excuse. Close the borders. Period. We can then decide on the rest of it.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:47:27 AM EST
    Until 1918, the United States did not require passports; the term "illegal immigrant" had no meaning. New arrivals were required only to prove their identity and find a relative or friend who could vouch for them. Customs agents kept an eye out for lunatics and the infirm (and after 1905, for anarchists). Ninety-eight percent of the immigrants who arrived at Ellis Island were admitted to the United States, and 78 percent spent less than eight hours on the island. (The Mexico-United States border then was unguarded and freely crossed in either direction.) "
    Making Sense in the Immigration Debate TalkLeft: May 08, 2006

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:03:33 AM EST
    If the person is not a citizen, why the registeration? Obviously, the registration is for those immigrants who are citizens but haven't registered yet, or aren't registered at their current address. That seems to be so logical and obvious, ah well....... The intent of this group is plain to see. They make the Florida Demos wanting to count "hanging chads" look good. Well, PPJ, FYI, it is illegal to do what you suggest this group is attempting to do, so if they do end up registering at least one non-citizen, they'll open themselves up for criminal prosecution and bad publicity for their cause. TTFN

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:04:25 AM EST
    You should have a look at the comment I left on that post you mention, edger. There was minimal checking back then, but there was checking. What the open borders crowd - right and left - want now is no checking, period. Just let anyone in, without regard to contagious disease, possible links to terrorism, criminal record (etc). The public is not at all happy with this. Neither party is doing what the public wants. Which means that sometime over the next decade, we'll see a third party run on the "close the border" platform. After that, one of the major parties will see votes there, and adopt large parts of that platform. We can craft a reasonable policy before then, or we can wait for the populist reaction. Last time (1924), legal immigration was mostly halted. Is that what you want? If so, keep advocating for open borders with no checks, because the populist reaction will go way too far in the other direction as a result.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:55:56 AM EST
    jr: What the open borders crowd - right and left - want now is no checking, period. Just let anyone in, without regard to contagious disease, possible links to terrorism, criminal record (etc) Broad sweeping indictment there jr. JUst where did you come by the omniscience, btw. Links? Evidence? Poll results? I thought so...

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:56:48 AM EST
    edger: Do you want all illegals to show up for a physical exam after sneaking across the border? Times do change.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#11)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:13:11 AM EST
    IMHO the open borders segment of the population is miniscule, yet those like JR would have us believe that turning left means opening the floodgates. This is propaganda. An intelligent immigration policy is not possible with our current government, which is beholden to corporate interests, ie slave labor markets. The media whores like Lou Dobbs convince sheeple like JR that the brown folks are the problem. This keeps wages down, profits up, and gives redneck vigilantes a feeling of accomplishment.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:24:52 AM EST
    Che- How does letting everyone who snuck in illegally stay, including gangbangers, differ from open borders?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:31:43 AM EST
    This is from NPR from the illegals' perspective and it is still very scary. This is my town and what my family is faced with. I'm sure none of you liberals will take the time to listen, but if you don't, you have no right telling me that I am making up stories about the problems the illegals have created.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:38:13 AM EST
    This is the audio I am referring to: Desde Mexico to Waukegan--One Family, Two Countries, Two Schools, Part Two

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#15)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 09:31:07 AM EST
    gosh jrt, hating so much on a daily basis is not good for you. Maybe it is time to relocate. I hear tha you can get some good deals for A+ real estate in Mexico.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:05:14 AM EST
    Speaking of "problems created", how is ten effing billion a month and a hundred thousand dead and wounded not a problem? "O.T" I know, but excuse me for not giving a flying rats a** about how nervous it makes you to rub up against funny talking, brown people. Especially when it didnt bother you enough to say boo about it a few months ago.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:05:46 AM EST
    Squeaky: Can you point out the hate in JRT's above comments, or it just the troll in you?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:14:46 AM EST
    Wile E. Coyote-No I can't, but JRT's comment cannot be taken out of context of his other comments here. His town, according to him, has been ruined by mexicans. If you are really interested you can go through Immigration threads in TL archives to undersand what a hellish life JRT seems to lead, all because of Mexicans. Personally if what JRT says about his daily life is true, and it were me, I would move.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:15:31 AM EST
    Che, I think I was clear in saying that neither party - nor significant parts of the right and the left - want border control. They both want open borders, for different reasons (although both parties believe they can find votes there). Meanwhile, most people are just angry at the ongoing flood and lack of law enforcement. There's going to be a populist reaction at some point, and it's unclear to me which party will be hurt by it more.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#20)
    by jen on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:16:57 AM EST
    I listened to the segment. The schools are not sufficiently funded? Welcome to the US of A and no child left behind. Liberals have been pointing out these problems for some time now. What about it?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:20:53 AM EST
    Wylie- I guess it would be better to say that the problem is anger born out of hatred. Resentment, it is said, is like drinking poison and hoping that the other person will die. Not healthy. Time for JRT to let go or move.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:23:19 AM EST
    J.R - "Most people are angry." Sorry, but I think most people are sheep who could be galavanized by an orchestrated media campaign centering around whether the moons of jupiter support intelligent life. I dont remember any of you wingers except BMB discussing this issue of "vital concern" before a few months ago, even though its been going on for decades.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 10:39:33 AM EST
    Che: I read your above post with interest. 2 questions if I may: 1. I am inferring from your post you do not favour open borders. May I hear your proposal for fix problem we have now? I would like to hear all serious proposals. 2.
    IMHO the open borders segment of the population is miniscule, yet those like JR would have us believe that turning left means opening the floodgates. This is propaganda.
    Do you think, in the same vein, that it is possible to think the federales should keep some sort of control on the border (part of the consitiution and all), knowing who is in the country, and not be considered xenophobic racists? Like many here state of people who disagree with them on this issue.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed May 10, 2006 at 11:08:11 AM EST
    edger writes:
    Until 1918, the United States did not require passports;
    Uh, edger. It is now 2006. Look out the window. You may see something strange in the air. It is called an airplane. Dark Avenger - If they are legal they can register when they get their driver's license, or at any other time they want. This appears to be just an attempt to sign up illegals. Edger writes:
    Broad sweeping indictment there jr. JUst where did you come by the omniscience, btw.
    By reading the comments of the Left. Squeaky - You are making a charge based on alleged comments by JRT that probably 99% of the readers of TL do not remember, haven't seen, don't care. Why not do the proper thing and provide links to all of these comments rather than just going for the smear? Oh. I remember. You told us you didn't have to do that.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#25)
    by Dadler on Wed May 10, 2006 at 11:19:34 AM EST
    JRT, Be serious, this liberal lives fifteen minutes from Mexico, the public school up the street from my house is the Spanish language immersion magnet elementary school. The Padres and Chargers and corrupt pols are an infinitely bigger drain on the city than illegals. Easily. The only real crisis here is people's fear of the other, the unknown, and their own inability to see past the ease and comfort they've enjoyed for no other reason than dumb luck.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#26)
    by Dadler on Wed May 10, 2006 at 11:25:32 AM EST
    Also JRT, My mother used to work with hardcore hispanic gang members, we sponsored three families of Vietnam war refugees and lived with them for three years, we housed an illegal from Central America and her baby for two years, we housed an Ethiopian political refugee for a few years, and I've lived with more than 50 people of all races and creeds, under the same roof, in my life. I've had guns pointed at me in anger twice, once by east L.A. gangbangers, had someone shot to death right outside my bedroom window a few years ago, and I also spent a lot of time on welfare and food stamps when it was just me and my mom when I was 5 and 6. So...safe to say this liberal has more than enough life experience to know whom to be afraid of an not.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Wed May 10, 2006 at 11:28:28 AM EST
    ppj - Arnt you supposed to say "the Left" in every post? You've been slipping lately. And again, speaking of "links" I'd like see some evidence of your great concern about this election year issue, that you've been 'talking about for years" from any posts you made here before a few months ago. Take your time.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 12:14:24 PM EST
    Posted by Squeaky May 10, 2006 11:14 AM Wile E. Coyote-No I can't, but JRT's comment cannot be taken out of context of his other comments here. His town, according to him, has been ruined by mexicans. If you are really interested you can go through Immigration threads in TL archives to undersand what a hellish life JRT seems to lead, all because of Mexicans. Personally if what JRT says about his daily life is true, and it were me, I would move.
    Squeaky- How is it possible for you to ignore the reality of the illegal immigration situation? I did not and have not ever posted any messages of hate regarding Mexicans or anyone else. I have on previous occasions been asked to back up my comments regarding life in my city and I have done so. You have completely failed to address the very real issues I have raised. Once again the you have resorted to charges of "hate" and "racism" when faced with facts. Is NPR not a good enough source for you? Do you honestly believe that preschoolers need to be taught in Spanish by teachers recruited from Spain?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 12:21:41 PM EST
    Posted by Jen May 10, 2006 11:16 AM I listened to the segment. The schools are not sufficiently funded? Welcome to the US of A and no child left behind. Liberals have been pointing out these problems for some time now. What about it?
    And why are there funding problems? Because the city has been overrun by illegal immigrants demanding to be taught in Spanish. I'm glad to hear that liberals don't like NCLB either. It is the reason that our best students will soon lose their magnet programs. The lazy administrators' solution to low test scores in 95% hispanic schools is to move the better students into those schools hoping to raise the scores. This will, of course , only result in a lower quality of education for the better students while doing nothing for the hispanics.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 12:29:22 PM EST
    Posted by Squeaky May 10, 2006 11:20 AM Wylie- I guess it would be better to say that the problem is anger born out of hatred. Resentment, it is said, is like drinking poison and hoping that the other person will die. Not healthy. Time for JRT to let go or move.
    Get a grip Squeaky- I am talking about a real problem that I cannot just "let go". I have two young children that will soon be entering school and the schools here have taken a dramatic turn for the worse in a very short time as resources are diverted to bilingual education. This is not just a game I am playing - it is reality.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#31)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 01:40:49 PM EST
    JRT-Well if you are not full of hate your previous comments and the recent ones here suggest that you are really angry at the immigrants for ruining your neighborhood. My comment above and in the past is appropriate to your situation particularly as is does not seem like political games but is real. My take from your posts seem correct in that you are not going to adjust and the situation is not going to change so the healthy thing to do would be move to a place where you are more comfortable. It is not worth it being angry all the time and you will poison yourself and your family.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 01:48:19 PM EST
    I guess you should move out of the U.S. then rather than continue griping. Is it wrong to seek change? Why should I move to accomodate thousands of people who are here illegally? Do you have anything at all to say other than to tell me to move? If the only solution is to move then you would have to admit that they have had a negative impact.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#33)
    by jondee on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:02:14 PM EST
    JRT - Dontcha think this has alot to do with simple over-crowding and a certain urban critical mass thats been historically problematic? This is like the "Five Points", Gangs of New York syndrome. Researches have observed the same negative effects when mice and rats are over-crowded in a small space. What people here are reacting to is the implied (or not) "cultural" basis for anti-social behavior, when its alot more complicated than that.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#34)
    by jen on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:02:28 PM EST
    JRT: No, schools in poorer areas have *never* been sufficiently funded. The problem exists where there are immigrants and where there aren't. The problem isn't immigrants, the problem is the school district isn't rich. Welcome to the USA. Thats how it is. Thats how it always has been. Thats what we've been trying to fix forever and a day. No child left behind means the entire DISTRICT gets left behind with the child. Move.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#35)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:08:26 PM EST
    Posted by Jondee May 10, 2006 03:02 PM JRT - Dontcha think this has alot to do with simple over-crowding and a certain urban critical mass thats been historically problematic? This is like the "Five Points", Gangs of New York syndrome. Researches have observed the same negative effects when mice and rats are over-crowded in a small space. What people here are reacting to is the implied (or not) "cultural" basis for anti-social behavior, when its alot more complicated than that.
    Yes- it is overcrowding and guess who is doing that? There have been no significant housing developments, but the number of school kids has skyrocketed due to illegals packing multiple families into single family homes. Not hate- just facts.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#36)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:34:01 PM EST
    JRT-
    If the only solution is to move then you would have to admit that they have had a negative impact.
    There are at least two solutions. If you cannot change the external situation you can change how you view it, in othewords adjust so that it does not eat away at you. If you cannot accomodate the change by internal adjustment then external adjustment is in order. Why not relocate? It is not worth suffering.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:39:48 PM EST
    Squeaky says: "If you cannot accomodate the change by internal adjustment then external adjustment is in order. Why not relocate? It is not worth suffering. " So what's your solution for the citizens in that area who don't have the resources to move? Just suck it up and take it? Is that the supposed concern for the less fortunate I'm detecting?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 02:54:24 PM EST
    JR- One thing that is inevitable is change. Dadler lives fifteen minutes from Mexico and s/he has adjusted fine. Sucking it up and just taking it are not very healthy, no enjoyment in that. That is no solution. Imagination is key. Go with the flow. Loosen the grip on what should be and there will be room for all. If that is not possible, suffer. Many do and many have done throught human history. Enlightment doesn't come to all, although it could.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 03:12:41 PM EST
    Posted by Squeaky May 10, 2006 03:34 PM JRT- If the only solution is to move then you would have to admit that they have had a negative impact. There are at least two solutions. If you cannot change the external situation you can change how you view it, in othewords adjust so that it does not eat away at you. If you cannot accomodate the change by internal adjustment then external adjustment is in order. Why not relocate? It is not worth suffering.
    I agree, but I have not given up on changing the situation. I have no intention of suffering through.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#40)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 03:18:48 PM EST
    JRT-Glad you are not going to poision yourself by suffering. Sounds like you will need more creativity and less force in order to change the situation. Good luck and enjoy.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 03:23:45 PM EST
    What force? I have asked for two simple things deport illegal immigrant gangbangers and stop recruiting preschool teachers from Spain.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#42)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 03:32:41 PM EST
    JRT-I did not say anything about your using force. My point is that the solution will not come with muscle but creativity. Many are talking about eliminating the problem by forming armies and fighting. I do not see this as having any effect but to make the situation worse. Imagination or thinking out of the box, I believe, will yield a solution.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 05:08:33 PM EST
    Here's a thought, Squeaky - how about the solution includes returning to a system at least as rigorous as what we had in 1918: -- screening for criminals -- screening for contagion That would be better than what we have now. Right now, we don't know who's coming across. Why are you troubled by the simple idea of having control of the border? Rather than expecting JRT to adjust, why not ask the illegals to *gasp* obey the law?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#44)
    by jen on Wed May 10, 2006 at 05:27:21 PM EST
    Spain is a bit far to go for spanish speakers. I bet if they loosen up the requirement for kindergarden teachers (or aides) a bit they could find some right outside their doors. Kindergardners wont have that much of a problem anyway. It would be much harder to KEEP them from learning english at that age. Its the older kids that need the attention. When the naturalized immigrants start voting and geting involved, they can become part of the solution.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#45)
    by squeaky on Wed May 10, 2006 at 05:34:04 PM EST
    JR-
    Why are you troubled by the simple idea of having control of the border?
    You are making stuff up. JRT is having a problem, not me, Adjusting to change is one of many solutions.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#46)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 05:49:31 PM EST
    Squeaky, the mere fact that you wnat him - rather than the illegals - to adjust - makes it clear that you don't care who comes across the border, or how they do it. If you cared, you wouldn't be telling JRT to "get over it" or move.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:07:10 PM EST
    JRT, you've got every right to decide how your schools are funded. Heck, I'd oppose diverting needed funds to bilingual preschool and I'm pro immigrant. The gangbanger thing, for citizens or whatever...if somebody is a gangbanger they are committing crimes like robbery, assault, murder. Why can't they be arrested and/or deported for these crimes, instead of making the vague "gangbanging" a crime? All neighborhoods change....except the really really expensive ones.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimcee on Wed May 10, 2006 at 06:31:06 PM EST
    What seems obvious to me is that regardless of whether those registered are legal or not that by creating a circumstance that they might be... or might not be legal leaves open more post election chaos similer to the 2000 election. Now why would any honest citizen try to create confusion in the next election except that perhaps they already know that they can't win honestly so they will find any and all reasons to contest the election. This seems as if it is a cheap ploy to corrupt future elections. If they register real citizen voters then that is cool but if they try to allow non-citizens to vote then that is rather treasonistic. I get the feeling that the Left is so much a minority that they will attempt to sabotage the next few elections with extra-national or felonious voters and then demand a recount because of challenges. In other words; the Dems can't win without illegal votes so they will advocate that non-citizens and felons should vote. The bottom line is simply.... What are you people nuts?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:00:37 PM EST
    Posted by kdog May 10, 2006 07:07 PM JRT, you've got every right to decide how your schools are funded. Heck, I'd oppose diverting needed funds to bilingual preschool and I'm pro immigrant. The gangbanger thing, for citizens or whatever...if somebody is a gangbanger they are committing crimes like robbery, assault, murder. Why can't they be arrested and/or deported for these crimes, instead of making the vague "gangbanging" a crime? All neighborhoods change....except the really really expensive ones.
    For every felony commited by an illegal there is a victim. Is someone is doing ANY gangbanging they should be deported for the crime of illegal entry, without waiting for a felony conviction.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#50)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 07:03:36 PM EST
    Posted by James Robertson May 10, 2006 06:08 PM Here's a thought, Squeaky - how about the solution includes returning to a system at least as rigorous as what we had in 1918: -- screening for criminals -- screening for contagion That would be better than what we have now. Right now, we don't know who's coming across. Why are you troubled by the simple idea of having control of the border? Rather than expecting JRT to adjust, why not ask the illegals to *gasp* obey the law?
    Speaking of contagion, my next door neighbor tested positive for TB. Guess where that came from? Fortunately he is not sick, but TB was virtually wiped out in this country until it was brought back by illegal immigrants.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#52)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed May 10, 2006 at 08:12:55 PM EST
    No it is not an attempt to register anyone other than naturalized U.S. citizens who have never voted before. It will also lead to a drive to have those eligible for citizenship to apply for it. This has nothing to do with the undocumented.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#53)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed May 10, 2006 at 09:59:10 PM EST
    Wile, Sorry to take so long to get back. Q.1 I generally subscribe to the Chavez doctrine of: Raising the minimum wage (and other comparable wages), Forming trade unions that will only allow citizens (or those on valid work visas) to join, thus shutting out any undocumented workers. This significantly decreases the incentive to come here, which essentially answers Q.2 at the same time. And I still think this issue is being exaggerated to divert us from the war and other crimes being committed in DC. Bolster the INS and expand their ability to issue valid work visas. Increase the number of work visas issued each year. Maybe we could fund it with the 70 BILLION dollars of tax cuts that were just handed, gift wrapped and with a bow, to the top 10%, who need it like a fish needs a bicycle. The same 10% whose megabusinesses not only shut out the american entepreneur, but actually are paying the lousy wages that only desperate immigrants will accept. And you get what you pay for. I hope that answers your question.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#54)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 04:05:28 AM EST
    Che: cool. thanks. I gotta disagree with you about raising the minimum wage and forming unions without adressing the borders. Winds of Change pretty much sums it up here. What it says basically is that when someone is made legal, therefore able to damand more for their services and there are still illegals around to undercut the newly legal person, then what? Need to fix the border also.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu May 11, 2006 at 07:02:49 AM EST
    Dark Avenger - Yes, we all know that it is illegal. No, the organizers aren't admitting they are breaking the law. I'm not saying they are attempting to. I just don't think the activities should be congruent. Far too much chance for, if nothing else, "mischief." Ceaser's wife and all that stuff. And yes, I am against such registeration efforts. Voting is a responsibility and a right of "citizens" and the registeration of a voter should be done carefully, in a very controlled environment and the person should be required to provide proof of citizenship to a government offical, and swear an oath in the matter. Why? Read this?
    "I wanted them to specifically tell this person they were illegal aliens, but that they wanted to register to vote--and she registered them both," she says. The two activists received a similar response at the Milwaukee office of the Hispanic group. "This time one of the men in the office at least said it's a felony to register someone who's not a citizen to vote--but the office manager went ahead and registered them."
    et al - To become a citizen the immigrant must demonstrate they are proficient in English. Given that, why did the 1965 Voting Rights Act demand ballots in other languages? Why should an otherwise good law facilitate illegal actions?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#56)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 07:21:05 AM EST
    This appears to be just an attempt to sign up illegals. Link Dark Avenger - Yes, we all know that it is illegal. No, the organizers aren't admitting they are breaking the law. I'm not saying they are attempting to. PPJ, you should keep track of what you post here, it might make taking you seriously less of a chore :>)

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#57)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu May 11, 2006 at 09:29:30 AM EST
    Et al... Its goal is to register 1 million immigrant voters for the November elections. The Dems need all the help they can get. Here in Chicago, I'm sure they'll all vote twice.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#58)
    by jen on Thu May 11, 2006 at 09:40:43 AM EST
    BB, Won't they vote early and vote often? or was that New York?

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#59)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu May 11, 2006 at 10:58:27 AM EST
    Wile, While Drum attempts to promote immigration as a wedge issue (the Republican Guard's dream), I think this issue is: 1. WAY overblown 2. Being systematically divided into open borders vs closed borders, when we should be capable of controlled borders. These are typical reactionary responses. And I think that the propaganda from the right is that liberals want open borders. This is just ridiculous. But then, the republican/libertairian interpretation of a controlled immigration policy as "open borders" makes any rational discussion of the issue nearly impossible.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#60)
    by Peaches on Thu May 11, 2006 at 01:07:44 PM EST
    Present immigration laws, as they apply to Mexicans and other Hispanics, don't exist to keep people "out" or to regulate who comes in; they exist to keep Hispanics "illegal," in order to supply cheap labor for a wide spectrum of U.S. business.
    Check out Michaels Ventura's latest column on immigration.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#61)
    by zak822 on Thu May 11, 2006 at 01:15:22 PM EST
    "I'm sure none of you liberals will take the time to listen" I'm a liberal Democrat, and a yellow dog Democrat to boot. I do not support illegal immigration. None of the liberals in my large circle of friends supports illegal immigration. So stop saying "liberals want this." It ain't so. In fact, the biggest supporters are the business community, which overwhelmingly support President Bush. Go yell at them.

    Re: 1 Million Immigrant Vote Drive Begins (none / 0) (#62)
    by Peaches on Thu May 11, 2006 at 01:20:18 PM EST
    yellow dog Democrat
    I love that term. Don't know why? Just do.