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    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 10:43:15 AM EST
    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 10:53:48 AM EST
    not that i spend much time on Huffpo anymore (too noisy) but i did enjoy Nagourney from Vegas on the blogosphere. found this funny...
    "Oh my God, no way!" Mr. Moulitsas said when asked whether Mrs. Clinton was popular here.


    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 11:25:31 AM EST
    Jlvgstn - Re your questions about Vegas and stuff.. sorry to be late, but I've been waiting for an open thread... A "ring game" is a game in which anyone can get into assuming they have the buy-in, normally ten times the big blind. They can leave at any time with winnings or losses.. In other words, it's just a poker game. A tournament you play until you win it all or until you loose all your chips. If I had only $2500 and fancied myself a decent player, I'd go straight to the Bellagio and get into a 15-30 limit game. Assuming a lot of bad players in town doing the tourist bit, you should be able to beat it for $1500 or so. Besides, they have a superior buffett. "bang-bang action" is just a descriptive comment meaning the games will be fast, loose and a little bit crazy. Good luck.

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 12:51:03 PM EST
    U.S.: 3 Guantanamo inmates commit suicide
    link via HuffPo

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 01:34:47 PM EST
    Aw gee, really?

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by Johnny on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 02:01:12 PM EST
    "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did." - Rep. Richard Baker (R-LA) to lobbyists, as quoted in the Wall Street Journal
    "I understand there are 10,000 people dead. It's terrible. It's tragic. But in a democracy of 300 million people, over years and years and years, these things happen." -- GOP strategist Jack Burkman, on MSNBC's "Connected," Sept. 7, 2005
    "What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is that they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (chuckle) - this is working very well for them." - Former First Lady Barbara Bush, on the Hurricane flood evacuees in the Houston Astrodome, Sept. 5, 2005
    I love republicans....

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 02:02:18 PM EST
    Have I got one for you this is the first time I heard of this but you just might find this interesting.Georgia Bush

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by scribe on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 03:25:23 PM EST
    Weell, hurricane season started a week and a half ago. News reports today are talking about the season's first tropical depression forming in the Carib/Gulf and working up into some nasty weather coming north. And, NASA's budget will not be including funds for research on global warming. I just put away my winter gear....

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 04:11:07 PM EST
    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 05:47:18 PM EST
    The media spent the last 10-20 years helping peopole get locked up for 25-life and now they suddenly care about prisons.

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 05:49:32 PM EST
    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 06:44:57 PM EST
    News reports today are talking about the season's first tropical depression forming in the Carib/Gulf and working up into some nasty weather coming north.
    Here's my prediction on the storm: An 80 percent likelihood of 5 buck a gallon gas by next Thursday. And widespread price gouging, heavy at times.

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 07:15:52 PM EST
    One of ppj's heroes Curt Weldon know where Saddam hid the WMD's and evidentially they are still there. Sounds like a job for the 101st Keybaord Kommandos. PPJ can lead the way with his naval aviation expertise. I am sure that they will need help in the keybaoad kommando kitchen.
    While Sestak said Iraq was "not a clear nor a present danger" because no weapons of mass destruction have been found, Weldon said he knows of four sites in Basra and Nasiriyah that have yet to be searched for biological or chemical weapons. "I think the jury is still out on WMD," said Weldon, who also believes Saddam Hussein may have smuggled the weapons to Syria with Russian assistance prior to the March 2003 invasion.
    Some sort of liberal coup has obviously taken place to prevent getting to the bottom of the WMD issue. Glad to see that Weldon is on it. link via Josh Marshall

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 10:00:28 PM EST
    ppj - Maybe if you'd deviate from the script once in a while people might give you the benefit of a doubt and not assume that you're on the same page right down to the most insignificant jot and tittle with every other regime change or bust true believer. Its not "making stuff up", its, in ppj-speak: a supposition based on the preponderance of evidence.

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 10:38:40 PM EST
    ppj-
    I don't know Curt Weldon. But you are no Curt Weldon
    From your link.
    From Able Danger Blog, Rep. Curt Weldon, R-PA, delivered a speech entitled "The Perils We Face" at Restoration Weekend, which took place in Phoenix, Arizona from February 23-26, 2006. Front Page Magazine has a full transcript of the speech. The audio of all but the first section of his speech was posted online and you can listen here. It starts at the segment titled "9/11: What I Saw at Ground Zero":
    Remember now? Or have you conveniently forgotten?

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 11:22:28 PM EST
    It is not that he doesn't read his own links, it's that he only gets the cliff note version. The basic talking points are all that is necessary. I am still amazed though because Able Danger was one of ppj's saws....ad infinitum. Curt Weldon was the central figure in that little horse pucky expedition. Forgetting is useful for ppj in this case. A classic from Whiskey Bar:
    All wing nuts report to battle stations! The vast liberal conspiracy to conceal Bill Clinton's responsibility for 9/11 has seized control of the Department of Defense!
    The Pentagon has been unable to validate claims that a secret intelligence unit identified Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta as a terrorist more than a year before the attacks, a Defense Department spokesman said Monday. Larry Di Rita said that some research into the matter continues, but thus far there has been no evidence that the intelligence unit, called "Able Danger," came up with information as specific as an officer associated with the program has asserted. (emphasis added)


    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 10, 2006 at 11:36:59 PM EST
    Ambulatory wingnut deluxe Michael Savage was beating that to death on his show for weeks in between trying to incite pogroms against gays. Stupidity makes up for its defecits by staying organized and on the same page at all times.

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 08:25:22 AM EST
    Officer at Fort Lewis calls Iraq war illegal, refuses order to go By Hal Bernton, Seattle Times June 7, 2006
    In a rare case of officer dissent, a Fort Lewis Army lieutenant has refused orders to head out to Iraq this month to lead troops in what he believes is an illegal war of occupation. 1st Lt. Ehren Watada was scheduled to make his first deployment to Iraq this month. His refusal to accompany the Stryker brigade troops puts him at risk of court martial and years of prison time. "I feel that we have been lied to and betrayed by this administration," Watada said Tuesday in a telephone interview from Fort Lewis. "It is the duty, the obligation of every soldier, and specifically the officers, to evaluate the legality, the truth behind every order -- including the order to go to war." In a statement released today, Watada said the "war in Iraq violates our democratic system of checks and balances. "It usurps international treaties and conventions that by virtue of the Constitution become American law. The wholesale slaughter and mistreatment of the Iraqi people with only limited accountability is not only a terrible moral injustice, but a contradiction to the Army's own Law of Land Warfare. My participation would make me party to war crimes." ... "I think they will do their best to make an example of me," Watada said. ... In a court-martial proceeding, Watada, who has retained civilian counsel, said he would try to mount a case about the legality of the war under international law and American law.
    Good for Lt. Watada for standing up for what he believes and refusing to obey orders to take part in an illegal war. Perhaps his example will encourage others to follow their conscience as well. To Obey or Not to Obey?

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 08:45:12 AM EST
    Edger - I think this kinda summarizes what a lot of people think.Link
    Let's just skip all the hoopla and take the dumbass out and shoot him. ... ...
    But, of course that won't happen, and the link carries many calm(er) reasonable responses. Me? I'd just try him and put in the pen for say, 30 years WOP.

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 08:53:43 AM EST
    Or maybe you could just invite to your compound for some reeducation.

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 11, 2006 at 09:01:53 AM EST
    This kinda summarizes what a lot of people think: "When it comes to the situation in Iraq, do you approve or disapprove or have mixed feelings about the way George W. Bush is handling that issue?" If "mixed feelings" or not sure: "If you had to choose, do you lean more toward approve or disapprove?" .............Approve...Disapprove 6/5-7/06...33%........64% 5/1-3/06...37%........60% 4/3-5/06...35%........63% So does this: Obituaries

    Re: Server Problems, We're Back - Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by Slado on Mon Jun 12, 2006 at 08:10:05 AM EST
    Excellent article about Haditha in Washington Post yesterday. This seems to show that it is possible that the Marines did indeed kill the women and children but didn't do it in a massacre or premeditated fashion. Anyway here's the link. Wash Post