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No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes

By Jeralyn, Section Terror Trials
Posted on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 01:59:05 PM EST
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A Miami federal judge has denied bond for the 7 men accused in the aspirational Sears Tower bombing plan.

Each of the men faces four counts: two counts of conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, and one count each of conspiracy to destroy buildings by explosives and sedition against the U.S. government. The counts carry maximum sentences of between 15 and 20 years.

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    No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes | 27 comments (27 topical)
    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#1)
    by jimcee on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 03:06:01 PM EST
    As it should be. Just think if Timothy McVeigh had been found out before he bombed Oklahoma City and wasn't granted bail, 168 people would probably still be alive because at the time he was just a 'wannabe' terrorist. I find it hard to believe that TL is suggesting that preventing a possible terrorist attack is somehow wrong-headed.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#3)
    by beefeater on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 03:44:39 PM EST
    Or what if Timothy McVeigh had a good lawyer and got away with it. Would it be a good idea to keep an eye on Him, and maybe stop Him from doing it again?

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#4)
    by roger on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 06:16:41 PM EST
    Beef, McViegh had a pretty good lawyer, as I heard it.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#5)
    by Sailor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 06:29:31 PM EST
    Since it was the fbi plant that suggested the bombings and the sites, (as fbi infiltrators are wont to do, (see the 60's)), maybe we should actually wait for the trial. The gov't has a terrible track record when it comes to grandiose statements to the media and actual charges laid and allegations proven. Please ask for links.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#6)
    by Sailor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 06:39:42 PM EST
    what if Timothy McVeigh had a good lawyer
    Dude, did you pick the wrong site for that comment! ROTFLMAO!!!

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#7)
    by Aaron on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:36:29 PM EST
    I hope these gentlemen have a team of skilled attorneys representing them, they're going to need them.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 11:42:57 PM EST
    Charles Manson should have been an FBI agent. He could get stupid people to do anything he suggested too.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#9)
    by Johnny on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 04:41:04 AM EST
    These wannabe's (who, from what I have read, actually needed the USA to provide them with a plan!) will fry. The idiot that the wrong-wigners voted into office and his party associates, desperately needed this arrest. Soon, the color charts depicting how close we all are to imminent death will start it's kaleidoscopic swinging again. And again, the scared little wrong-wingers will flock to the polls, more than eager to vote away yet more civil liberties in exchange for unbelievably unproven safety gains. Baa Baa.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 06:26:37 AM EST
    I'll admit this source might be questionable but look at the headline/link and lead paragraphs.
    Terror crew urged to hit FBI's bldgs. ------ An FBI informant urged seven terror suspects to target FBI offices throughout the country - including one in New York - and even helped the men scout the buildings, law enforcement sources told the Daily News yesterday. The suspects, who also allegedly schemed to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, were denied bond in a Miami federal court yesterday as sources shed light on the FBI effort to ensnare them.
    How can 'an FBI informant urged' not be misunderstood to mean the suspects might be hesitant, or had not first conceived the idea on their own? By this level of assumed guilt, we should be turning in anyone who suggests something even remotely provocative. Failing to do so might be construed as acceptance. Viability or potential to achieve goals are factors not considered, evidently. "The charges against each of the defendants are serious charges and constitute counts of violence," Bandstra said, adding that it was "not relevant that the plans appear to be beyond the abilities of the defendants."

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 07:10:00 AM EST
    Let me see. The FBI went around, rounded up seven men and made them demand money, plans, weapons, etc.. Nope. Don't believe it.. Only Rove has such evileeee powers. ;-)

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#12)
    by Sailor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 07:35:07 AM EST
    stop distorting what people write ppj.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 07:51:54 AM EST
    Sailor - That distortion you noted is just another example of the kind of distortion that has to be taken seriously now. If an individual makes statements urging or suggesting others to do damage, even if it's made as a backhanded insult or rhetoric, it can be construed to be a legitimate attempt at recruiting...informant or genuine.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 08:09:43 AM EST
    Sailor - What's a matter with you? Can't take a little sarcastic humor? Gina wrote:
    Charles Manson should have been an FBI agent. He could get stupid people to do anything he suggested too.
    rumi wrote:
    How can 'an FBI informant urged' not be
    Johnny wrote:
    These wannabe's (who, from what I have read, actually needed the USA to provide them with a plan!) will fry.
    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 08:26:55 AM EST
    Posted by JimakaPPJ July 6, 2006 08:10 AM Let me see. The FBI went around, rounded up seven men and made them demand money, plans, weapons, etc.. Nope. Don't believe it.. Only Rove has such evileeee powers. ;-)
    hey,...how about this The Bush administration is so desperate for even the illusion of success, that..."(Let me see.) The FBI went around, rounded up seven men and made them demand money, plans, weapons, etc.." :D...does that work better?

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#16)
    by Sailor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 08:42:40 AM EST
    The acquaintance alerted the FBI, which helped connect Batiste with a man pretending to be an al-Qaida contact, officials said. They said that contact had the men swear an oath of allegiance to the terrorist group
    So it was the fbi's idea to have them swear allegiance to AQ
    An FBI informant suggested the bombings to the group
    So it was the fbi's idea to bomb these places.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#17)
    by Sailor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 08:47:30 AM EST
    An FBI informant urged seven terror suspects to target FBI offices throughout the country - including one in New York - and even helped the men scout the buildings, law enforcement sources told the Daily News yesterday.
    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 09:22:11 AM EST
    The source for that article can be considered to be conservative leaning, if anything else beyond sensational.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 10:15:46 AM EST
    Nice try guys. But you can't escape the fact that we all know Rove did it.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 10:23:18 AM EST
    I guess I shouldn't mention that there was a 9/11Truth speaher on >i>Hannity & GL that was conveniently bumped off the air for that breaking report....should I? In all fairness, I've seen the Sean-Whoopie luvnuggle re-aired a few times. It was pretty good. hey...was Rove at the Aspen Idea Festival this past week?

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#21)
    by Sailor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 11:03:15 AM EST
    Comments on TL; We provide the links, ppj provides the invective.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#22)
    by Johnny on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 12:34:54 PM EST
    Actually this is one thread where Jim is doing nothing but trolling. He has offered nothing but sarcasm and half-witted invective. Thanks for contributing Jim. Is it so hard to believe, that in this day and age, the feds will coax statements and sentiments out of people?

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 02:54:26 PM EST
    PPJ is getting desperate to earn his Rove points these days, et al?

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#24)
    by Sailor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 03:09:46 PM EST
    frankly I don't see much difference in his response.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 03:46:29 PM EST
    et al - Well Johnny, outside of claiming that the indians got a raw deal, what have you contributed lately. (They did. But it aint our fault Johnny.) rumni - Must have been his body double. I know for a fact that he was on Vensus with the Fire King. Sailor - Just for you. I'll be serious. Someone please tell me how the FBI caused these people to decide they wanted the things they asked for? Do you think that, just maybe, in the back of their minds they don't like this country and wanted to do it harm?

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 05:38:56 PM EST
    PPJ- Yes, probably.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 06, 2006 at 09:04:53 PM EST
    It obvious that this administration wanted to catch some "terrorists" to pump up their image, so they trolled in some of the poorest neighborhoods and found some people that could be easily manipulated and not be able to defend themselves against false charges. I wish they would have found some real terrorists. I guess it is easier to spin terrorist rather than find Bin Laden.

    Re: No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 08:50:51 AM EST
    Debbie - Your comment says more about Debbie than I ever could.

    No Bond for the Miami Terror Wannabes | 27 comments (27 topical)