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Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self

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Posted on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 05:19:13 AM EST
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Another killing by someone described as most unlikely to commit a crime.

William Lash, Bush's former Assistant Director of Commerce,

after arguing violently with his wife Thursday night, shot and killed his 12-year-old son inside their McLean home, then turned a shotgun on himself and committed suicide, Fairfax County police said.

....Friends and neighbors described Lash as devoted to his only child, William H. Lash IV, who was autistic

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    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#1)
    by HK on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 02:53:34 AM EST
    This is totally tragic. As a parent of an autistic child, I know how difficult it can be sometimes and can identify with feelings of despair. While I cannot imagine ever wanting to harm my child, I sometimes feel powerless to do any good for her. Maybe Lash felt that if he couldn't help his son, he could take away his daily trauma. Or maybe he just lost it. Who knows. The case shows up an interesting point in that wealthy families with well-educated parents are perhaps expected to cope better with any difficulties. Sometimes there can be pressure as a parent of a disabled child to constantly give the appearance of coping fine. Society would do much better if all parents were given the message that it's okay to say, "I need some help here!" Whenever I seek support for myself and my child it takes a certain degree of swallowing my pride, but as soon as I've done it, I know it was a show of strength and not a sign of weakness.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 06:04:55 AM EST
    Aaron - To politicize what is beyond doubt a personal family tragedy is despicable. You should be ashamed of your actions.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#4)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 06:49:27 AM EST
    For once I agree with Jim's words. Im still working on the sincerity aspect though.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#6)
    by jen on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 07:04:55 AM EST
    This is just too awful. His politics have nothing to do with this horrific tragedy, and his son was not a part of the Bush administration. I cannot even begin to imagine what his wife is going through now. This whole mess is just too awful. The only conclusion I draw is "seek help if you are having trouble coping" Suicide, especialy murder suicide, is needless, pointless horror.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 07:48:37 AM EST
    Jen - Thank you for your support of the family. Now, as a member of the Left, can you find it in your heart to condemn the gross comments of Aaron and Bigunit12?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 07:49:37 AM EST
    Jondee - Thanks.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#9)
    by roger on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 08:03:21 AM EST
    As much as I dislike Repubs, it is a little chilling hearing people calling for their deaths. That was a major problem that I had with Coulter

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#10)
    by roy on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 08:09:17 AM EST
    Now, as a member of the Left, can you find it in your heart to condemn the gross comments of Aaron and Bigunit12?
    I find this attempt to politicize -- or maybe it's just snarkize -- a tragedy nearly as despicable as Aaron's comments. Don't respond; I'm not getting into a big thing over who's more disgusting. Here's hoping that, in the age of cell phones, internet support forums, and Prozac, anyone who feels to desperate as to contemplate murder or suicide can get help finding a better alternative.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#12)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 08:53:21 AM EST
    You're welcome.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 09:07:51 AM EST
    I agree that H.K beautifully said all that needed to be said about this obviously tragic incident.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#14)
    by Aaron on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 11:10:44 AM EST
    Deleted for making a threat to another commenter. This commenter is banned.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#2)
    by Aaron on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 11:13:41 AM EST
    deleted, this commenter has been banned.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 11:15:54 AM EST
    deleted, this commenter is banned as well. He's been teetering on the edge for some time.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#11)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 11:20:03 AM EST
    I haven't ever heard a peep of condolences for the family when a suicide bomber takes his own life and others. Why all the sympathy now? The guy killed his own defensless son. I agree with HK 100%, her empathy is not only touching but informative.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 11:55:43 AM EST
    What's interesting to me is that Mr. Lash was so professionally successful and that there apparently were no signs of trouble whatsoever. It seems that there's normally some kind of psychiatric history or something. It's amazing that someone so deeply disturbed can function as a professor and government official, and even appear totally normal over dinner just days earlier. Can someone with more knowledge than I comment on this subject?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#16)
    by Dadler on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 12:28:55 PM EST
    My condolences to the family. And I hope, wish (against hope), that things like this remind us of how fragile human beings are, and perhaps keep us from ignoring or romanticizing patriotically the consequences of, say, war -- which is the multiplying of this type of tragedy exponentially.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#17)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 01:06:42 PM EST
    Since it's an only child, the immediate family would be one person, Mrs. Lash. She must be shattered. I hope her own family's around. The administration's reaction to this, (if any) should be interesting. It would be nice if this incident pulled some attention, support, research money, etc. to autism, but it's more likely they'll act like they never heard of him.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 02:55:29 PM EST
    bjstrykker- I have no idea why the guy killed himself and the fact that he killed his son as well makes it more murky. He was involved with giving out contracts in Iraq. From all I have read about that big time corruption was the order of the day. Perhaps some of his dealings were coming under scrutiny. Wasn't there a House sub committee on cspan last week investigating expenditures in Iraq? Christopher Shays, R-Conn., chairman of the House defense oversight panel has been requested by Waxman to subpoena Haliburton profits in Iraq. Another angle, HK sheds light on, is that he wanted to take his autistic son's rather than have him suffer for the rest of his life and he took his own life as well to be fair.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#19)
    by beefeater on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:26:30 PM EST
    "Ex-Bush Aid" in the headline makes as much sense as saying "Black man kills son and self." WTF does any of it have to do with this tragedy? All ex-bush aids are killers? All Black men are Killers?" There is a time and place for politics, this isn't it.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:32:55 PM EST
    Beefeater, perhaps you should click onto the linked news article from the Washington Post. You would see that's their headline. Tell them what you think.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#21)
    by roger on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 04:36:10 PM EST
    If he was not an ex aide, this wouldnt be national news

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#22)
    by jondee on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 05:30:02 PM EST
    And if it's a poor black man, it's on page 20 of the local section.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#23)
    by beefeater on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 05:35:30 PM EST
    TL, I did click on the news story, that's where I found that He was a black man. I wasn't saying that the op was wrong.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#24)
    by jen on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 06:03:07 PM EST
    Did it make the national news? or just the washington post? WP is our local paper after all.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 06:28:56 PM EST
    My sympathy goes to the family who survives such a tragedy. I have to ask why the police would wait outside the home of a man barricaded in with an autistic child for more than six hours AFTER the police heard 2 gunshots inside within the first 10 minutes of their arrival? ...following on the news of the very odd Philip Merrill suicide.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jul 15, 2006 at 07:30:41 PM EST
    It could very well be connected in some ways to this other recent death
    Key NatWest Three witness found dead A KEY witness in the case of the NatWest Three has been found dead. The dramatic development comes on the eve of the extradition to the US of the three British bankers. ... The body of Neil Coulbeck, 53, a former director of NatWest's stockbroking arm, was found in Epping Forest, Chingford, yesterday. There were reports that he had been hanging from a tree. ... The Natwest Three - David Bermingham, Gary Mulgrew and Giles Darby - are accused of an £11m fraud involving collapsed US energy giant Enron, whose former boss died at his home last week. ... - - - - - - - - - Audit: $9 Billion Unaccounted for in Iraq - - - - - - - - - - Opinion/analysis/blogger-commentary Why did they murder Philip Merrill? What was Merrill going to talk about that he needed to be suicided? Merrill was President of the Export-Import Bank from 2002 until 2005. The Bank provided trade finance insurance to the Coalition Provisional Authority, and later to the Interim Government of Iraq. Merrill was a True Believer in the importance of foreign trade and foreign investment, facilitated by American institutions like the Export-Import Bank, in reviving the Iraq economy. Instead, much of the money provided by American taxpayers, and probably almost all of the oil revenues from Iraq itself, were stolen. This is just now becoming an American political issue, but the focus is on amounts stolen in the last year or so. The major thefts were from the time that the Coalition Provisional Authority was in charge of the money, the time when Merrill, who appears on all accounts to have been a straight shooter, would have had insider knowledge. .... Bush used one of his famous signing statements to ensure that the Congress-mandated inspection of corruption in Iraq would not consider any contracts involving the Pentagon, effectively removing most of the point from having an inspector. The major thefts were from the 'Development Fund for Iraq', set up by Paul Bremer and originally managed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. At least nine billion dollars is missing from this fund. The slush find could have been raided perfectly legally, if not morally, by using it to fund 'legitimate' reconstruction contracts to American firms. Instead, this method of lifting of money from the Iraqi people wasn't corrupt enough, so they simply stole it (i. e., they didn't even bother to pretend to be providing a service for the money that was taken, possible because of the way in which the Coalition Provisional Authority managed the money). As there is no effective monitoring of the specifics of the corruption (thanks to Bush's signing statement), people like Merrill are the only officials who could put the blame on the friends of the Bush Administration who walked off with the billions of dollars. Therefore, Merrill is dead.
    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 07:18:24 AM EST
    rumi - So now we have went from a tragic family murder/suicide to, of course, friends of Bush getting rich and having to kill someone to conceal it. Ever wonder whypeople don't take the Internet seriously?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 07:28:20 AM EST
    Jim When ordinary citizens rise to the level of holding public office by appointment or election, then the entirety of their life's actions are considered to affect all of us in some way. Unless you're saying that govt officials hold no responsibility to oaths they swear to uphold.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#29)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 07:53:25 AM EST
    "Unless you're saying that govt officials hold no responsibility to oaths they swear to uphold." I don't think he's saying that all. I think he's saying that attempting to exploit a private tragedy involving a law professor who is a former government official to make completely bogus and unfair generalizations is reprehensible and that all it accomplishes is to discredit the people who do it.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 07:58:24 AM EST
    I don't think he's saying that all. I think he's saying that attempting to exploit a private tragedy involving a law professor who is a former government official to make completely bogus and unfair generalizations is reprehensible and that all it accomplishes is to discredit the people who do it.
    Isn't this website forum focused on the intertwining of politics and crime?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#31)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:10:40 AM EST
    I'm not telling you not to do it. I'm telling you how you will appear to all but the most depraved hearts if you do. With the nearly infinite number of legitimate things to use to oppose the Administation, picking this is not only reprehensible it is counter-productive.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:41:15 AM EST
    I'm not only curious as to your incuriosity but now you have me wondering why you're trying to discourage me from discussing those events. If the folks (you refer to) are so 'sensitive' to impropriety or suspicions, why bother to talk about the event at all?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#33)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:46:35 AM EST
    In lieu of open threads, other threads tend to segue. It may be another species of depravity to accept unreservedly the current meme that people in politics never criminally conspire, especially if you're old enough to remember Iran Contra, BCCI, The Plumbers, "dirty tricks" etc

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#34)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:53:01 AM EST
    Jondee I'm even approaching this incident as though Mr Lash and his son were possibly both victims at the hands of domeone else. I wasn't able to make it that far yet. How much grief would I get by tying all of this back to S.W.I.F.T.?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#35)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:54:34 AM EST
    to make completely bogus and unfair generalizations is reprehensible and that all it accomplishes is to discredit the people who do it.
    Reprehensible? What a load of BS. There is a difference between a pedant and a teacher. Family tragedy? Lucky his wife got out of the house, eh otherwise your pompous sanctimony would look really silly? Content like this paints the internet as not serious? mwah ha ha.... Jim, you have outdone yourself. The tinfoil king himself, McCarthy, would be proud. He is toasting you from his grave. rumi- as always, your kindness is appreciated.
    Isn't this website forum focused on the intertwining of politics and crime?
    Right on the money without sinking to your critics level. I need to read some poetry. "Never linger too long with the ignorant, throw stones at their talk. Walk only with the lovers, the mirror of the soul gets rusty when dipped into muddy water"

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#36)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:57:37 AM EST
    You are approaching it that way without any factual or logical basis and completely insensitive to personal suffering because you don't like the people with whom Lash was professionally associated. Did you approve the disgusting attempts of the rabid right to float the the claim that Vince foster was murdered at the behest of the Clintons? were you insensitive to how applalling that was and how hurtful it could be to those personally involved and suffering at his loss? It's the same thing here and its just as wrong. there are times when you have to at least act like a civilized human being.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:57:49 AM EST
    Oy. You may be on your own on that one my good man. Where angels fear to tread.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#38)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 09:00:45 AM EST
    That was for our friend Jalaluddin.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 09:01:08 AM EST
    When the Clinton Administration's Vince Foster committed suicide in 1993, it was a tragedy for his family. This didn't stop conservatives from endlessly pondering the evil things he must have been involved in, or even insinuating that Bill and Hillary murdered him themselves. It's certainly possible that Mr. Lash was involved in shady Iraq business. There's nothing wrong with talking about it and trying to figure out what happened. Mrs. Lash and her child are the victims here. Mr. Lash is not a victim- he's apparently a criminal who viciously killed his own child. Let's find out why.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#40)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 09:07:38 AM EST
    Thanks for the great words, Squeaky. Dc- The more logical conclusion would be that Mr Lash loved his son more than life itself and would never have taken it from him. The logical conclusion might be that the autistic child had been considered a safe person to talk in front of (wrongly judging the son's abilities) over the past years when it was brought to our attention that the two were nearly always together. There are more logical conclusions that don't fit the official story.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#41)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 09:11:25 AM EST
    bj: That argument boils down to: " the bad guys did it, so I'll do it. What does that then make you? I'm not portraying Lash as the "victim." I'm saying attempting to exploit this tragedy without any basis whatsoever as being connected to anything political is vile and contemptible.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 09:16:43 AM EST
    The grounds generosity takes in our compost and grows beauty. Try to be more like the ground. Give back better, as rough clods return an ear of corn, a tassel, a barley awn, this sleek handful of oats.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 09:42:03 AM EST
    I'm not saying we should stoop to the level of those who exploited the Vince Foster situtaion for political reasons. But one is not "vile and contemptible" for suggesting that Mr. Lash's murder/ suicide may have had something to do with actions taken as a governmental official. It might have just been a personal problem, but it's not traitorous to look into the suggestion that there could be something more here.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#44)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 09:42:23 AM EST
    bjstrykker- Or as rumi suggests he and his son were murderded. At this point there are only questions. Also the partisan sanctimony is obvious, as your remembrance to Foster makes clear. If I remember correctly, ppj has not shed any tears for Cindy Sheehan either. Here is his comment regarding Vince Foster:
    Jondee - Graft already exists, I just want to be able to know who is buying who.
    Yes, jim, so do we. Decon-You are assuming that bjstrykker was as sanctimonious as you are now, in defending Foster from those asking questions after his suicide. That is a self serving argument that does not reflect bjstrykker's statement.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 09:58:20 AM EST
    Ah the memories..Im getting misty again.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#46)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 10:11:23 AM EST
    Anyone remember that scene in The Contender in which Sam Elliot says: "We are no better than them!"

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#47)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 10:13:36 AM EST
    I'm not assuming what bj thought about that because he tell us: "When the Clinton Administration's Vince Foster committed suicide in 1993, it was a tragedy for his family. This didn't stop conservatives from endlessly pondering the evil things he must have been involved in, or even insinuating that Bill and Hillary murdered him themselves.... ...I'm not saying we should stoop to the level of those who exploited the Vince Foster situtaion for political reasons. " Of course that is EXACTLY what is being done here and he is being a complete hypocrite in condoning it now when he SAYS it was wrong to do it with foster. It's ALWAYS wrong. It's always disgusting. People who do it have no shame and people who excuse it need to get a backbone.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#48)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 10:21:53 AM EST
    Somethings are always wrong and always disgusting, but we slip very easily into ends-justify-the-means-thinking 'round these parts dont we?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#49)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 10:24:28 AM EST
    It's ALWAYS wrong. It's always disgusting. People who do it have no shame and people who excuse it need to get a backbone.
    Is this directed at the law enforcement and legal professions specifically or just as [art of a broad allegation? How do you distinguish between political actions for criminal incidents and criminal actions for political incidents? How about we just ban all investigations in deference to political correctness and sensitivity?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#50)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 10:38:07 AM EST
    This has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with moral correctness. It is immoral to simply start spreading innuendo without any basis whatsoever just because someone is on the other side of the politcal fence. It is even more depraved to to do it in the immediate aftermath of an incident in which two people including young boy diesd and many people are suffering enough. That you refuse to recognize how utterly contemptible such vicious attacks are reveals a lot about you. Those who read such disgusting things and don't state their repudiation of such dishonest and indenfensible tactics, as Jondee suggested on the Las Vegas police thread, may be accused of guilt by association. The 99% who find such conduct unacceptable should not let the irresponsible 1% bring discredit to them.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 10:49:45 AM EST
    Those who read such disgusting things and don't state their repudiation of such dishonest and indenfensible tactics,
    ...and those who protect the coverup of a possible government involved crime, whether it be intentional or inadvertant, by using manipulation to discourage questions, are putting all of us at risk in the future.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#52)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 10:51:32 AM EST
    Decon-What a load of hooey. No one here is stooping to the vile things conservatives said about Foster. We are curious about a mystery, a political mystery. Your choirboy deference and call to ask no questions but only weep at the tragedy is strange and certainly out of place here at TL. This is not a funeral it is a site for discussion. I am amazed that you would distort bjstrykker comment in order to make hay. It is odd, especially when his or her comment is clear as day.
    It's certainly possible that Mr. Lash was involved in shady Iraq business. There's nothing wrong with talking about it and trying to figure out what happened.
    I highlighted what you are wont to distort (or omit). Your political proclivities, or self-righteous outrage about how we are supposed to behave around death, seems to have a negative effect on your reading comprehension. Save the highhanded moral lectures for your children. Here you just look like a court jester.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#53)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 10:57:47 AM EST
    My children don't need them the way you do. They already have morals and know better.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 11:00:21 AM EST
    Thanks dad. Can you read us a bedtime story now?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 03:10:20 PM EST
    Squeaky quotes:
    It's certainly possible that Mr. Lash was involved in shady Iraq business. There's nothing wrong with talking about it and trying to figure out what happened.
    Squeaky wrote:
    Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.
    I think that pretty well says it all. Squeaky - Can't you get anything straight? Or does that slow down your smearing efforts: Let's get this straight. Jondee wrote:
    Posted by Jondee April 30, 2006 02:02 PM "We could start to correct the problem by removing all restrictions on campaign funs." Brilliant idea! Where do you think the campaign funds come from? Or do you just want make graft perfectly legal? That would give your boys a nice advantage.
    My replay was:
    Posted by JimakaPPJ April 30, 2006 03:18 PM Jondee - Graft already exists, I just want to be able to know who is buying who. Dark Avenger - Since no one has gone to trial, etc., I would think the pers and the feds both think this is as current as it can be. But what do they know??
    The first comment was about politics and money. The second was about the six TN state seantors caught by the FBI. Vince Foster? I wrote nothing about Foster, although it may be included in some of the links I provided to Clinton's scandals. Really thin gruel, eh Squeaky? Your desperation shows. rumi writes:
    and those who protect the coverup of a possible government involved crime,
    Could you provide just a little evidence? Do you have any? No? Thought so.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#56)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 03:59:30 PM EST
    Posted by JimakaPPJ Could you provide just a little evidence? Do you have any? No? Thought so.
    What do you want evidence of?
    my original comment, in context... ...and those who protect the coverup of a possible government involved crime, whether it be intentional or inadvertant, by using manipulation to discourage questions, are putting all of us at risk in the future.
    Is it evidence you seek of criminal government activity or evidence of trying to obscure discussion of it?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#57)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:12:35 PM EST
    This next article, from 2004, isn't evidence of any kind and I chalk it up to a freaky coincidence, but check this out.
    Rule Breakers Get Killed, U.S. Official Told...(full article) In trade negotiations with scores of officials in dozens of countries around the world, Assistant U.S. Commerce Secretary William Lash thought he had heard it all. But nothing quite prepared him for what a senior Russian energy official told him in Moscow this week. "People that don't understand the rules get killed," the official told Lash when talks turned to the reasons behind Russia's decision last year to strip U.S. oil giant ExxonMobil of its rights to a major field in the Far East. "We asked for clarification -- if he meant financial disaster -- and he clarified and said, 'No ... physically killed,'" Lash told reporters Wednesday. "It's the most surprising answer I've heard in over 80 countries."
    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#58)
    by jondee on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:13:17 PM EST
    ppj - Vince Foster wasn't just "included"; those links were Vince Foster happy. Dosnt do alot for their credibility.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#59)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:37:31 PM EST
    PPJ- Thin? You provided the link that Jondee responded to regarding Foster's suicide. In it are entries questioning Foster's suicide and how it may be related to corruption. You, conviently left out Jondee's prior comment:
    Posted by Jondee April 30, 2006 01:56 PM "Read the links" Especially all that Vince Foster stuff. Probobly something in there about Hillary being High Priestess of a Spotted Owl Cult too. Jim, your credibility just lapped zero again.
    The context of graft was around VInce Foster' suicide. Your reply:
    Jondee - Graft already exists, I just want to be able to know who is buying who.
    Regarding Zarawaqi's death
    et al - Come on folks. Enjoy. It won't hurt to smile at this news.
    Posted by Squeaky June 10, 2006 01:51 PM U.S.: 3 Guantanamo inmates commit suicide link via HuffPo
    Posted by JimakaPPJ June 10, 2006 02:34 PM Aw gee, really?
    For ppj grieving is always a partisan affair. Rejoice and smear when a democrat or Muslim dies, Grieve and chastise others being out of line over the death of a republican or political ally. Suicide bombers? Garbage, Ex Bush man who possibly murders his own son before committing suicide. Holy. You are a fair weather moralist ppj. That equals hypocrisy on a grand scale when you pass judgment on others for what you routinely do.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 06:33:41 PM EST
    Squeaky writes:
    PPJ- Thin? You provided the link that Jondee responded to regarding Foster's suicide.
    Smearing again, eh? No. I never mentioned Foster's name. I provided a link that listed some of Clinton's scandals. There are two links in the link that discuss his death. Neither are disrespectful of Foster. Both challenge the story of his death. The reader can read them for themselves. You write:
    The context of graft was around VInce Foster' suicide.
    Wrong. I wrote.
    Posted by JimakaPPJ April 30, 2006 01:49 PM We could start to corect the problem by removing all restrictions on campaign funds, which seem to be the biggest cause of problems.
    Then Jodeee quoted me.
    Posted by Jondee April 30, 2006 02:02 PM "We could start to correct the problem by removing all restrictions on campaign funs." Brilliant idea! Where do you think the campaign funds come from? Or do you just want make graft perfectly legal? That would give your boys a nice advantage.
    I replied
    Posted by JimakaPPJ April 30, 2006 03:18 PM Jondee - Graft already exists, I just want to be able to know who is buying who.
    So, Squeaky, once again you are caught in an attempt to smear. The only mention of Foster was by Jondee. Now. Do I cheer when our enemies die? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And thanks for demonstrating that you think it is wrong. Tell us again how you support the troops.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#61)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 08:02:46 PM EST
    PPJ-you are being less than honest here. Are we surprised?
    I never mentioned Foster's name. I provided a link that listed some of Clinton's scandals. There are two links in the link that discuss his death. Neither are disrespectful of Foster. Both challenge the story of his death. The reader can read them for themselves.
    This is from your link:
    VINCE FOSTER'S POST-MORTEM DIET AND DEPRESSION The strange reporting about Foster's weight and mental condition. 101 Peculiarities Surrounding the Death of Vincent Foster.
    Neither disrespectful of Foster? Your interchange with Jondee was all about Foster. If it wasn't you made no attempt to set him straight after he repeatedly brought up your link to Foster. You were gloating about his suicide because from your point of view he was deep in Whitewater graft and dead men tell no tales. Bottom line: if your political opponent dies you are out there saying whoopee, let's discredit the guy. If it is a muslim even better, you tell us to smile because it is a good thing. It is fair to ask questions, and not unusual to gloat over your enemies death. What I have a problem with is your hypocrisy evident in your comments above which amount to sanctimonious gravitas when it is politically convenient, while chastising any one who is not equally obsequious. In terms of your feeling a victim of a smear campaign, you need not worry, no one here does a better job than you yourself to tarnish your reputation. Most commenters here regularly attest to that on a daily basis. You must like getting constantly berated as that is your lot here and you keep coming back for more.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#62)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon Jul 17, 2006 at 08:19:12 AM EST
    "Bottom line: if your political opponent dies you are out there saying whoopee, let's discredit the guy" You see it so clearly when it's him doing it. Why then can't you see it's just as bad when you do it?

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#63)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 17, 2006 at 08:32:26 AM EST
    Deconstructionist-For someone so seemingly intelligent as you why are you being so thick headed here. My criticism of ppj has nothing to do with his cry of whoopee, it is his hypocrisy. Sanctimony must be a big killer of brain cells.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#64)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon Jul 17, 2006 at 11:27:45 AM EST
    I'm not defending his hypocricy. I'm just pointing out your hypocricy.

    Re: Ex-Bush Aide Kills Son, Self (none / 0) (#65)
    by squeaky on Mon Jul 17, 2006 at 12:19:42 PM EST
    I have been clear. You are so puffed up with sanctimony that your ability to read is impaired.
    It is fair to ask questions, and not unusual to gloat over your enemies death.
    I have no problem with farting in church. I do have a problem with someone who takes license to gas out the congregation, while at the same time mandating butt plugs for everyone else.

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