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Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President

Columnist Bob Novak reports today that he has confirmed Rudy Giuliani will run for President. I'd take ten Liebermans over one Giuliani any day, so if this is true, it's dismal news:

A footnote: A report in this column that Rudy Giuliani intends to run for president has been confirmed by one of the former New York mayor's closest Republican friends. He said Giuliani definitely is running.

Perhaps the report that Bernie Kerik is now under federal investigation although denied by his lawyer, is true. If so, Rudy may be entangled in it -- at least it promises to be another example of his poor judge of character when it comes to appointing officials within his administration:

The federal investigation began about a year ago and has focused on a foundation affiliated with the city's Department of Correction during Mr. Kerik's tenure as its commissioner, from 1998 to 2000, according to one of the officials, both of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity. Mr. Kerik later served as police commissioner from August 2000 to December 2001.

....The federal investigation is being conducted by the F.B.I. and prosecutors from the office of Michael Garcia, the United States attorney in Manhattan, who have subpoenaed bank records, one of the officials said. The precise suspicions about Mr. Kerik with regard to the foundation funds were unclear.

The foundation is the New York City Correction Foundation which was headed by Kerik.

The sole signatory on the foundation's accounts was Frederick J. Patrick, who pleaded guilty in 2003 to looting the nonprofit corporation. Its stated purpose was to finance programs and activities to strengthen the department.

Mr. Patrick held high-level posts in the department from 1994 until 1998, during the administration of Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani. Mayor Giuliani went on to name him to a series of higher level posts, including commissioner of juvenile justice and deputy commissioner of community affairs in the Police Department.

Mr. Patrick, who spent the stolen money on collect calls he accepted from inmates in city jails and state prisons, some of which officials have said involved phone sex, was sentenced in June 2004 to a year and day in federal prison. He was released in July 2005.

The NY Daily News says the foundation is out $1 million.

Anyone remember the diTomasso brothers and their ties to Bernie? They are the brothers that did the renovation work on Kerik's apartment. They are now charged with perjury for lying to the grand jury about it. They pleaded not guilty this week. And Rudy may get tarnished by it. He, too, testfied before the grand jury:

In the Bronx courtroom, the preliminary back-and-forth about production of documents for the defense was already under way. Bronx rackets bureau chief Dennis Consumano, who will handle the case, said the government's records in the matter were "substantial." Included in those records will be the grand jury testimony of Giuliani, who was reported to have become testy and annoyed under questioning by prosecutors. But key questions about the events remain unanswered, at least for the public.

What, for instance, was then mayor Giuliani told about the startling testimony that Frank DiTommaso gave to the city's department of investigation in June 2000, when the DiTommasos were trying to persuade city officials that their numerous dealings with mobsters in the construction and supply business were no fault of their own.

The di Tomasso brothers are not going quietly into the night.

Standing in dark suits before the judge last week, the brothers let their attorney, an influential New Jersey practitioner named Thomas Durkin Jr., enter their pleas of not guilty. The men face up to seven years in prison if convicted at trial.

Even though Giuliani may never have to put in an appearance at such a trial, it is bound to shed an unflattering light on one of his administration's murkiest episodes.

"It's not as heavy as a Kerik trial would have been," said George Arzt, a lobbyist and City Hall veteran who served as press spokesman for Mayor Ed Koch, "but any negative gets picked up. It snowballs. It erodes his strength, which is integrity. He is supposed to be Mr. Clean, the tough guy with a law enforcement background for treacherous times. When you are eating away at that it hurts. It raises the aura of hypocrisy."

For Rudy Giuliani to think he can run for President and bury his past just amazes me.

It's time to get his history out in the blogosphere. The man is not qualified. People think he is some sort of hero because he didn't fall apart during 9/11. He is not. He was a prosecutor who loved putting people in jail and a Mayor who trounced the downtrodden.

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    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#1)
    by joejoejoe on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 10:29:00 PM EST
    Boston Globe, 8/5/05:
    Republican Thomas Kean and Democrat Lee Hamilton also say in ``Without Precedent" that their panel was too soft in questioning former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani -- and that the 20-month investigation may have suffered for it. . . . The questioning of Giuliani was considered by Kean and Hamilton ``a low point" in the commission's examination of witnesses during public hearings. ``We did not ask tough questions, nor did we get all of the information we needed to put on the public record," they wrote.
    Every natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified to run for President. Winning is another story. Lieberman was the front runner in 02 and ended up struggling to get 5% of the vote. Giuliani will be poked and prodded and found wanting, not by Democrats but by Republican primary voters. I prefer Giuliani in the race because he will split the McCain vote and increase the chances of a harder right conservative consensus forming around GOP candidate X. There is so much negative information out there against Giuliani that other GOP hopefulls like Frist and Allen will be happy to use it to take Giuliani down. It's a good idea for liberal sources to document Giuliani's record and flesh out some of his shadier connections but it will be his fellow Republicans that torpedo his political run, not Democrats.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 10:59:53 PM EST
    A few words of advice for Rudy: McCain...South Carolina....2000 Think about it.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 11:05:51 PM EST
    What if they ran together?

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 11:31:34 PM EST
    They can't run together until one of them gets the nomination. And I agree with joejoejoe that Rudy will be "McCained" quickly and dirtily in the primaries.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 11:34:53 PM EST
    And come to think of it...that's gonna be very enjoyable to watch him get slimed. Unlike McCain, he really, really deserves it.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 06:11:48 AM EST
    et al - And a fine Sunday morning to you! Rudy will get the nomination and beat Hillary. His law and order rep in NY and actions during 9/11 will overcome his other problems with the base. McCain won't make a serious effort. As for his so-called problems in his appointees, all the Repubs will do is trot out Clinton's and that issue will disappear in a puff of smoke.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#7)
    by cowboyx on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 06:21:21 AM EST
    McCain won't make a serious effort? He's sucking up to Falwell! Hehe...that's some fun predictioning there, PPJ. Hillary isn't going to run. GOP nom can't ride in on the coattails of Bush, not like Poppy did in 88. Dem candidate TBA wins this, regardless of GOP candidate, unless Hillary runs AND gets nominated. But regarding scandals, did Hillary do anything worse than the Keating Five?

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#8)
    by scarshapedstar on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 08:10:11 AM EST
    I think Jim just hit the nail on the head:
    9/11
    Here I go again on my own Walkin' down the only road I've ever known Get ready, folks. You remember his speech at the RNC with, what, 37 utterences of "September 11th"? You ain't seen nothing yet. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts hauling around a little pile of rubble to every one of his stump speeches so that he can stand on it. It's gonna be a long two years.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 08:25:54 AM EST
    Cowboy - My comments weren't about Hillary's problems, I just noted that between Rudy's appointee's and Clinton's, it'll be a toss up and be meaningless except to the partisans on both sides. Hillary herself has quite a bit of baggage... Whitewater, Rose Law Firm records lost in her closet for two years (now that was a seriously disorganized closed) and her wonderful record in futures trading. You may remember that she ran a $1000 investment into $100,000 in futures trading in 10 months: Link
    Hillary Rodham Clinton was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time, according to trade records the White House released yesterday. The computerized records of her trades, which the White House obtained from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, show for the first time how she was able to turn her initial investment into $6,300 overnight. In about 10 months of trading, she made nearly $100,000...
    ... and then quit. Of the three, the latter will be the one that will hurt most, given the millions lost by ordinary folks at the end of the Internet boom with the Clinton's took credit for. Then there is the lamp throwing temper - too uncontrolled for a President? - cursing the military, etc... But no one can keep her from the big dance. For the anti-war left to think they can is just flat wrong. McCain is just sniffing the wind. He has problems with the base over McCain-Fiengold, and the Keating Five will be brought out just as the fact that Congressman Murtha was an unindicted co-conspirator in the "Abscam" investigation of the late 1970s and 1980 is now dogging him. Link This effectively ends any thoughts of the Demos to use Murtha as a "defense minded" VP to back Hillary. However, McCain's problems are not as severe as Murtha's:
    The ethics committee's special counsel concluded that of the five, Glenn and McCain were not substantially involved in the influence-peddling scheme. Indeed, it was believed at the time that the Democratic party, which at the time controlled the Senate, wanted McCain -- the only Republican in the group -- to remain a target of the investigation in order to avoid the impression that the scandal was only a Democratic problem.
    Link BTW - You did understand that the Demos were the Keating Four.... ;-) Didn't you? scar - The Demos' problem is that 9/11 actually happened, and despite the MSM's blackout on pictures, etc., the american people have a vivid memory of it. I await your attempt to blame Right Wing Christians... ;-)

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 09:06:02 AM EST
    PPJ, repeating right wing web site mantra on 9/11:
    and despite the MSM's blackout on pictures, etc.,
    I never understood this LGF talking point. What blackout? Are we supposed to have photos of bodies falling out of the towers permanently emblazoned on every channel of every TV screen? Of course, the real problem that Rudy faces here is that 9/11 has been superseded by subsequent events such as the disastrous detour into Iraq after Bush said that he was no longer interested in finding Bin Laden (on the 6 month anniversary of the attack, no less). Then last year we had Katrina, which made it plain to the world that the U.S. government couldn't even protect its population against natural disasters much less man-made ones. The lie had been put to "Homeland Security" once and for all. So Rudy's one trick pony ain't much of a trick anymore. Get over it. Abortion...gays...gun control. These three things equal "GOODBYE RUDY" in the Repblican primaries. And like I said, at least this time it will be fun to watch.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 09:26:56 AM EST
    Ernesto - You still don't get it. The base will forgive Rudy those issues because of his defense position, law and order rep and 9/11 activities.. Plus, he is seen as tough enough to take on the Demos and win. No one else is on the scene that matches that. As for 9/11, we have entered into a twilight zone where cartoons are bad and even Moslem terrorist who shoot people aren't terrorist. Americans understand the MSM on these issues, and are disgusted with them. Rudy over Hillary 51% to 49%.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 09:44:26 AM EST
    PPJ...you're seriously bucking historical trends with your fantasies. when's the last time a northern liberal got the Republican nomination? Rudy is anathema to the christian coalition. And his 9/11 mojo evaporated in the Katrina floods. He's ripe for a sliming and it will be fun, fun, fun to watch. Bring it on!

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#15)
    by cowboyx on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 10:26:06 AM EST
    Why is it only the GOP faithful that believe Hillary will run? Am I now expected to address the decades old stuff you brought up in your reply? I have never understood why people froth at the mouth about Whitewater, or the $100000...been trying to make myself care about that since Rush used to tell me on the AM radio about Day 100 or so, America Held Hostage by the Clinton Presidency. Do you actually like Rudy? If so, why? Do you like McCain? Kinda funny, when you move far enough rightward, everyone seems to be a lefty.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 11:17:53 AM EST
    Cowboy - I like and respect McCain, but McCain-Fiengold is one of the worst laws ever passed. I think Rudy can govern, and I think his head is on straight on national defense. Plus, since I am a social liberal, his views on women's rights, etc., work for me. As for worrying about what happened in the past, you are the one who brought up the Keating Five which was a mid 80's and early 90's scandal, so yes, I guess we should worry about. As for the trading scandal, you must understand one thing. For every dollar she made, someone lost a dollar. If she was cheating, then she was stealing.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 11:39:21 AM EST
    Ernesto - Yes I am bucking historical trends, but a good gambler does that from time to time. I'm also noting that the only other serious candidate is McCain, and he has bigger problems. [remainder off topic, deleted]

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#11)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 11:41:41 AM EST
    His law and order rep in NY and actions during 9/11 will overcome his other problems with the base.
    Yes, ppj, you may as well just drop the word law and skip right to the order part. Clearly "order" sans law gives you and Guillaini a big hard-on. After spending $80m with no conviction you still want to hang Hillary and Bill. You both would prefer to see a good ole hanging by mob rule rather that go through all the bother of navigating the law and courts. Well if your man Giuliani gets the job the first to go will be the judges, next the constitution and then all the rules of law will be incinerated in a big ole bon fire. [TL: edited to delete personal attacks]

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#18)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 11:43:51 AM EST
    deleted, commenter warned to refrain from personal insults to other commenters and to stay on topic.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 12:12:39 PM EST
    I hope with all my heart that Giuliani runs and gets the nomination, though I don't for a second believe it'll happen. He's got plenty of baggage you can carry around while holding state office, but it would kill him in a presidential race. Also--and this may be terribly naive--I think that people have started to catch on to the fact that republicans just say 9/11 whenever they're in trouble. I think the voters, at least those within spitting distance of the middle, are starting to get tired of it. If we ran Warner against Giuliani it would be a romp. Hell, I think even Hillary could beat him. In a Warner-Giuliani race, Warner would pick up a surprising chunk of the south (we don't like to vote for nuhthernus who can't pretend to be southern), and in a Clinton-Giuliani race, I think a lot of the south would be so disgusted they'd just stay home. Seriously.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 12:38:21 PM EST
    c-law - Well, us real sons of the south don't consider northeastern Virginia part of the south. ;-) Jokes aside, I think Rudy would win the red states handily. The issue of his "baggage" etc. really pales in comparsion to what they feel about Hillary. And you better get ready to vote for her if you intend to support the Demos' nomination.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#21)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 12:56:47 PM EST
    You know Jim, since I was born and raised AND live in GA, I'm not too worried about my sons of the south credentials ;-) Joking aside though, I do hope Hillary doesn't get the nomination. I actually made an ill advised bet with a friend (several years ago) that if she ever became the demo candidate I would eat one of his pet fish. Uncooked. Scales on. While that would be unpleasant, it isn't the reason I don't want her to run. I don't want her to run because I think Giuliani and Jeb Bush are about the only candidates she could beat. If Giuliani runs in 08 I think he will win most of the red states, but by a far thinner margin than you think (assuming, again, that we run Warner) and I think Warner would pick up a few surprises. Tennessee, VA, Missouri perhaps. I think you overestimate the south's willingness to vote for Giuliani--he's very slick and very northern--and you underestimate the pull Warner would have. At the VERY least it would force a repub candidate to spend valuable time and resources in states that should be repub locks.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#22)
    by cowboyx on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 01:07:46 PM EST
    Yeah, for every dollar she made, someone lost a dollar...for there is only a finite amount of dollars. True, I did bring up Keating in response to your Hillary bit...and therefore you answer ABSCAM... Whatever...point being is that I'm just gonna bookmark this thread for the future...to see if any of your predictions come true. I just don't really believe that Rudy would be a social liberal if elected. Too many crazies calling in favors. I wish I could believe he'd be a social liberal/fiscal conservative...but i don't.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#23)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 01:33:14 PM EST
    He played the victim up real nice. then he made a bundle off of the WOT (after all, that's what it's for). He promises only more of the same.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 01:58:17 PM EST
    c-law - Atlanta is not part of GA....;-) And I thought swallowing goldfish went out in the 20's.. You might be right about the margin, but a win is a win in the electoral college. Cowboy - If you sell with knowledge the market doesn't have, that's illegal. Here's a primer. And yes, there are a finite number of contracts. And please bookmark.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 02:18:18 PM EST
    Hahaha, Touche Jim. You got me. Have you ever heard the Jackson quote (I think it was Jackson) "You have to remember, Atlanta is surrounded on all sides by Georgia." Also, I don't think I could swallow any of his fish whole. They're huge. Back on topic though: What about Mizzou, Tenn, and VA? Don't you think Warner could pick those up?

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 02:42:37 PM EST
    All the conjecture about Rudy against Hillary or Rudy against Warner is pointless, because he will never get the Republican nomination. The last northern moderate to do so was Gerald Ford in 1976 and only because he was the incumbent president. Even so, Ronald Reagan almost knocked him off. Before that well...you have to go back to Thomas Dewey in 1948, and you know what happened to him. It seriously ain't gonna happen now that the waaaay right-wing crazies have firmly taken over the asylum. Bookmark it!

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#27)
    by cowboyx on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 03:28:06 PM EST
    Gee, thanks PPJ...still, why do you think Hillary will be nominated? I think you have a view of the Left that the Left doesn't share.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 03:32:28 PM EST
    Rudy will get the nomination and beat Hillary. His law and order rep in NY and actions during 9/11 will overcome his other problems with the base. Two words for you: Bernard Kerik. Two more words: Bill Bratton Two more words: 9/11 commission Rudy's nasty tongue will get the best of him. The wingnut Republican base will never nominate a pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro gay rights candidate. Those who like Giuliani know precious little about him, including his coddling of vile dictators like Baby Doc Duvalier, his huge ego and his unwillingness to share credit. He'll never get elected.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 05:46:42 PM EST
    Never discount Rudy because of his progressive views, because he will change them at the sound of opportunity's knock. He is every bit as bad as Randy Paul and Ernesto del Mundo are warning, but I don't think he will be a candidate. First of all, his entire rationale for election as Mayor was "Take Back New York." Given that NYC then had its first African-American Mayor, no one had to ask, "From whom?" The GOP Presidential field does not suffer from a dearth of white guys. Second, it is his marital history that won't play. His first marriage was annulled after twelve years when the couple discovered they were cousins. (In the car going home from the family reunion: "My family really seems comfortable with you.") He announced his intent to divorce Donna Hanover, his 2nd wife, to the media before he told her. She walked out the front door of Gracie Mansion and delivered her heartbroken response to the waiting media throng. Great footage. If her were to run, people in Iowa would get pretty sick of watching it. The most fun part of a Rudy candidacy would be watching him and Newtie argue over whose third wife is foxier. Rudy Giuliani makes Alberto Gonzalez seem like the ACLU.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 06:13:01 PM EST
    c-law - He might carry VA. TN and MO, no. And I don't recognize the quote....sorry. Do you think it was Andrew, Stonewall, Scoop or Jesse? LonestarJR writes:
    He announced his intent to divorce Donna Hanover, his 2nd wife, to the media before he told her
    Kinda like letting her find out you've been getting BJ's from the hired help in the national media, eh? I thought we were beyond all that stuff. Personal business, etc.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#31)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 06:21:42 PM EST
    Maynard Jackson. Longtime mayor of Atlanta. I think you're wrong about MO. TN may be a stretch...but, again, slick northerner with NY accent...

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#32)
    by aw on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 06:58:52 PM EST
    I can just see it: Every time Rudy tries to look or sound presidential or tough or serious, pictures of him in drag will negate it. Skits of Rudy in drag making "surprise visits" to Iraq or maybe flying over a flooded NO. The possibilities are endless.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#33)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 07:47:23 PM EST
    aw - After the BS Bush has been hit with I don't think Rudy in drag will bother anyone. c-law - Well, even TN, GA and MO have FNC outside of their blue areas.... At least GA does in Norcross, TN in Germantown and MO in Festus... Cowboy - Hillary will be nominated because she has organization, organization, organization.. Which, by the way, is the bread that goes with the mother's milk of politics, money.

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#34)
    by aw on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 10:14:32 PM EST
    I said the possibilities are endless, PPJ. I'm looking forward to them myself. Imagine Rudy in his lovely dress with "We're the only ones who can keep us safe" superimposed on the picture. How about Rudy talking tough to the Iranians in a hijab?

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 06:17:13 AM EST
    aw - Hmmm, I can hear him now.. "You guys laugh at my dress and you are toast. Uh-oh, you grinned... there goes your in-country oil refineries... Wanna go for the big one?" ;-)

    Re: Novak: Giuliani Will Run for President (none / 0) (#36)
    by aw on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 07:01:39 AM EST
    I see PPJ has his finger on the pulse of the nation.