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Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Iraqi Girl

The testimony continues in the case of the rape and murder of a teenage girl in and slaughter of her family by U.S. troops in Mahmudiya, Iraq. One of the accused says following a day of drinking and playing golf, Pvt. Steven Green felt like killing some Iraqis. After going to her house and separating the family members, he says the soldiers took turns raping or trying to rape the teen, when they were done, Steven Green shot and killed her, and then they set her body on fire and then attempted to cover up their crime.

A US military court has heard testimony of how three soldiers took it in turns to hold down and try to rape an Iraqi girl aged 14 in Mahmudiya in March....Graphic details of the attack at the family's home came in a sworn statement by one of the accused, James P. Barker.

The four soldiers, Barker, Sergeant Paul Cortez, Private Jesse Spielman, and Private Bryan Howard, are accused of helping former Pvt. Steven Green, who is charged in U.S. federal court (details here and here.)

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    This is a microcosm of the entire Iraq operation, no more no less. I await the day of the trials of the people that made this all possible.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#2)
    by Sailor on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 09:56:23 AM EST
    Andrew Tilghman, a former correspondent for the US military newspaper Stars and Stripes, said he interviewed Green several times in February at his unit south of Baghdad.
    'I wanted to kill people'
    "I came over here because I wanted to kill people," he quoted Green as saying.
    "The truth is, it wasn't all I thought it was cracked up to be.
    "I mean, I thought killing somebody would be this life-changing experience," Green was quoted as saying. "And then I did it, and I was like, 'All right, whatever.'
    "I shot a guy who wouldn't stop when we were out at a traffic checkpoint and it was like nothing," Green was quoted as saying.
    "Over here, killing people is like squashing an ant.
    "I mean, you kill somebody and it's like, 'All right, let's go get some pizza.'"
    The share of Army recruits who received moral waivers for criminal records increased last year and through the first half of 2006 by 15 percent from 10 percent or 11 percent before the war, according to statistics released this week. (According to the Pentagon, the number of waivers in 2001 totaled 7,640. The figure increased to 11,018 in 2005, and for the first six months of this fiscal year totaled 5,636.)

    On March 13, two months afte he was released from the Midland jail, Mr. Green was one of eight soldiers baptized during a Church of Christ service at Fort Benning.


    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#3)
    by Kitt on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:47:24 AM EST
    And in a news story from Yahoo! News:
    "A U.S. military court in Baghdad heard graphic testimony on Monday of how three U.S. soldiers took turns raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl before murdering her and her family.....A fifth soldier, Sergeant Anthony Yribe, is charged with dereliction of duty and making a false statement and will also appear at the hearing at a U.S. base in Baghdad. Defense Attorney Captain Jimmie Culp was blowing chewing gum bubbles while Yribe, sitting to his left, began sucking on a red lollipop during the testimony.
    We can do that in court now!? 'Cuz, ya know....the last time I was in court, the judge told an attorney to stop reading the newspaper, and that attorney was seated in the benches with his client waiting for the judge to get to 'his case'.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#4)
    by Sailor on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 12:02:09 PM EST
    sounds like reasonable behavior ... for folks targeting a 14 year old. And to save later commenters the trouble: 'at least they didn't cut off her head.'

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 01:40:57 PM EST
    sailor - You make an interesting, and I am sure totally unintended, point when your wrote:
    And to save later commenters the trouble: 'at least they didn't cut off her head.'
    You have defined one of the most critical differences betweem the Islamic Fascist and western civilian. Here we have a member of an army that could have destroyed the country, but did not. Here we have a member of that army who is charged with a terrible crime. And here we have a member of an army who, if convicted, will probably, at the least, spent the rest of his life in prison. Now, what were you saying about cutting heads off? That we leave to the terrorists, along with their regular and routine car bomb attacks, etc. on civilians. Sailor, sometimes your attempts to make us morally equivalent with the terrorists make me so sad... It totally defines you.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#6)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 01:49:03 PM EST
    Yeah imagine that, applying the same code of morality to all parties. I too am deeply saddened that Sailor dosnt realize that it's "my country right or wrong." Brother John Birch is spinning in his grave as we speak.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#7)
    by Sailor on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 01:54:25 PM EST
    You have defined one of the most critical differences betweem the Islamic Fascist and western civilian.
    YEP, KILL THE FAMILY, RAPE THE CHILD AND THEN SET HER ON FIRE, REALLY F##KING CIVILIZED! Sorry for the shouting.
    Here we have a member of an army that could have destroyed the country, but did not.
    we're still working on it, give bush time.
    Here we have a member of that army who is charged with a terrible crime.
    and the army covered it up as long as they could. ppj, you are immoraly equivalent, you endorse torture, indefinite detention, murder, war crimes ... but your poor delicate sensibilities are offended by a few religious awckjobs lopping off heads, especially in retaliation for the muder of their cousins. ppj can't tell the difference between firing WP rounds into a civilian neighborhood, and acts of individuals.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 02:02:28 PM EST
    You have defined one of the most critical differences betweem the Islamic Fascist and western civilian.
    ppj- have you read this yet? LA Times via Talk Left Seems like people are the same all over. Interesting the attrocities all people, regardless of nationality race or religion are capeable of, no ppj? Gee wiz, you would shoot someone for stealing your turnips if it were legal, wouldn't you, All for the sake of "freedom".

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#9)
    by jondee on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 02:20:01 PM EST
    Im sure he's read it. The question is, is he man enough to apologize for perpetuating the Kerry smears with his ad nauseum posts about Winter Soldiers etc?

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 07:32:15 PM EST
    Squeaky - Can you show me anything like that from a Moslem newspaper? No? I didn't think you could. Sailor - Nice try, but you are the one who can't see the difference. Can you show me a terrorist on trial for beheading someone? No? I didn't think you could. Yet you never note that. Jondee - Please be so kind as to show me smearing Kerry. Since you can't, then please quit lying on me.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#11)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 09:06:44 PM EST
    Squeaky, Don't you know? The anti war movement made them do those things. That's why Jim says we lost in Vietnam

    Can you show me a terrorist on trial for beheading someone?
    Can you show me anyone besides an enlisted peon that's on trial for the Iraq debacle?

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 11:59:24 PM EST
    ppj-
    Squeaky - Can you show me anything like that from a Moslem newspaper? No? I didn't think you could.
    If, by your oblique reference to "that", you mean the LA times Vietnam article. I have to admit that I do not read Arabic, Persian, Kurdish, Luri, Azerbaijani, Baluchi, Pashto, Dari, Uzbek, Turkish, Tachelhit, Tarifit, Hassaniya, Pulaar, Soninke, Wolof, Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo, Urdu, Punjabi, Sindhi, Bengali, Indonesian, Malay, Albanian, Mozarabic, Hindi, Kashmiri, Kannada, Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil, Uyghur, Mandarin Chinese, Maranao, Tausug, or Tagalog, so I can't help you with finding a Moslem paper's equivalent to the Vietnam story. Why do you think your premise holds? Is it that Arabic itself is too simple a language to express civilized thoughts? Or is it that there are no smart politically sophisticated moslems around so why would they need anything good to read. It is just as Edward Said wrote back in 1980, during times much like these today:  
    So far as the United States seems to be concerned, it is only a slight overstatement to say that Moslems and Arabs are essentially seen as either oil suppliers or potential terrorists.... .....a series of crude, essentialized caricatures of the Islamic world presented in such a way as to make that world vulnerable to military aggression.
    We need them to be black and white cartoon characters without any freedom in order for us to feel good about dominating them by occupying their countries and killing anything that moves, not to mentioning raping their men and women. Or is this the kind of thing you are referring to by your question and answer? Again from Said's article Islam Through Western Eyes from 1980:
    In addition, there is an increasingly influential new lobby in this country whose main function is to assure the U.S. public that the present Arab regimes in the Gulf are stable. Among all the reporters for the major networks and newspapers, in fact, only CBS's Ed Bradley noted on November 24, 1979, that all information about the November occupation of the Great Mosque in Mecca came from the Government and that no other news was permitted. Subsequently, The Christian Science Monitor's Helena Cobban reported from Beirut on November 30 that the mosque's seizure had a very definite political meaning, that far from being Islamic fanatics, the attackers were part of a political network having a secular as well as an Islamic program, pointedly directed at the political and financial monopoly held by the Saudi royal family. One month after her article appeared, the Saudi spokesman for the group, who had given Cobban the story, was picked up off a Beirut street and has disappeared; Saudi intelligence is reportedly behind the man's abduction.
    Ah, our pals the Saudi's sure know what to do with their leakers. I know you wish the US would be more like them in this regard as you have made clear. In contrast your "free" american press hasn't written much about the US Saudi dirty laundry either. Wonder why. In fact information about most of our dealings in the Mid East for the last 50 years has rather scant. Why do you suppose that is? In any case your attempt to generalize about Islam by reducing it to a few negative attributes is silly, even if it is comforting to have a two dimensional villain to both kick around and terrify yourself with. All that is good for is perpetuating war. The antidote is to expand your awareness about Moslems and Islam from sources other than neocon digests. Unfortunately that seems like a very remote possibility.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#14)
    by Aaron on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 05:13:04 AM EST
    Just as in the Vietnam, the seeds of deceit from whence this conflict sprouted have now blossomed and grown into a fine tree heavy with rotten fruit. As the ground at our feet is littered with examples of the pestilence and strife we've brought upon ourselves, soon no American will be able to take a step without being smeared with the wreaking decaying feces of an unjust war. What we have here people is a prime example of a sh-t sandwich, and we all get to take a big old bite. Don't forget to thank the president for your meal, just remember we're the ones picking up the check for this sumptuous repast, and I've got a funny feeling that the bill is going to be an exorbitant one. Learn to practice war no more

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 07:19:04 AM EST
    Squeaky - Quotes:
    Moslems and Arabs are essentially seen as either oil suppliers or potential terrorists....
    Although Said was well known for his slanted views towards the Moslem world, he occasionally got things right, especially when we consider that the above was written in 1980. It certainly appears that they have exceeded the world's expections regarding terrorism. But while studying the musings of past journalists may be fun, especially if one is allowed to pick only that we agree with, it is essentially worthless . Let me review my point in simpler terms so that you can understand it. It strongly appears that a crime has been committed. People have been charged and are being tried. They may be guilty...it does look bad for the individual...If found guilty they will be punished. I would opt for hanging them. I see nothing that is comparable from the Moslem world. That you can provide no information and try to hide in spohistry is your usual tactic.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#16)
    by roger on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 08:03:06 AM EST
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but in muslim countries, don't they often execute the victims of rape? W told us that we had to go to Iraq to "lift them up" to our level. Looks like we descended to theirs.

    Re: Testimony Continues in Hearings of Rape of Ira (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 08, 2006 at 09:31:19 AM EST
    Ha, ppj nice twist of Said's commentary. You are a perfect representative of the two dimentional thinking that fuels war and hate. Thanks for the confirmation that Said's words are just as true today as they were in 1980. Sad.