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And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead

(Guest Post by Big Tent Democrat)

From the extreme Right Wing Republican site Red State:

Democrats have been increasingly distracted by an effort to discredit our President. In the process of carrying out this parochial assault, they have egregiously demeaned our great Republic. This has largely been ensconced in and driven by domestic political motivation but found a complimentary partner in the global socialist agenda.

. . .To make a bad situation worse, a New York neighborhood mostly inhabited by Democrats [that's Harlem to you and me, in case you weren't keeping up with the race baiting Republicans] hosts the "after party" for Chavez and cheers his anti American remarks.

. . . Appropriately, this specious attempt to advance parochial politics, disguised in the name of debate and Constitutional liberties has come full circle and roosted on their doorstep. It is an action that is un-American since it demeans our values, underestimates our intelligence and obscures or primary goal in a time of war, to keep our citizens safe.

Memo to wingnuts, "socialism" is passe as a boogeyman. It's "Islamofascism" we're aligned with now. You need a few lessons in the New McCarthyism.

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  • Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#1)
    by demohypocrates on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 03:33:38 PM EST
    This has to be the most hypocritical post I have ever read on this site. You can't read the comments section of a blog about scrapbooking without seeing a post from some dhimmi neanderthal making the Bush - Hitler comparison. The same holds true for many of the people who post on this site. Keep thy own house clean. Here are some of the noteworthy offenders. And if you dont want to be called a socialist, then dont attend the marches they sponsor.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#2)
    by Sailor on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 04:02:20 PM EST
    And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead
    Nope ... e.g. see above comment.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#3)
    by roy on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 04:50:42 PM EST
    This is McCarthyism? I'm underwhelmed. Talk to us when Danny Glover is served a subpoena. Private citizens criticizing real or imagined connection with socialism does not a wide-spread blacklisting effort nor government witch-hunt make.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 06:20:17 PM EST
    If left to their own devices and left unimpeded, I have no doubt that George W. Bush and Alberto R. Gonzales would commit those levels of barbarous acts on scale with the atrocities committed by Adolf Hitler and his followers. These are the same men that took such pleasure in their executions of prisoners in Texas. I see the sameness. There are still years left in this administration's term of office. Impugning this administration's many crimes or it's political party, is not exactly the same as demeaning America. Those things, (Bush and party as opposed to America), are what are quite different. If you belong to a minority group that is currently being targeted for destruction, I think that you can see these things ever more clearly.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#5)
    by demohypocrates on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 06:20:17 PM EST
    Sailor: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed! King Arthur: Bloody peasant! Sailor: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?


    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#6)
    by demohypocrates on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 08:41:23 PM EST
    anon, Pssssst, your disconnect is showing. And such fear mongering. But you caught me off guard. I wasn't expecting the Bush-would-be-Hitler retort. Maybe you'll get a book about the Holcaust for your birthday. All you accomplish with such absurdities is to diminish the horrible legacy of Nazism. It is an affront to all of those still alive branded with numbers on their arms.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#7)
    by bad Jim on Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 08:45:56 PM EST
    There are still people out there who are deeply afraid of Communism. When I was demonstrating against the upcoming invasion of Iraq, I heard passers-by call us Communists, as well as other things. We need to remind these people that Osama bin Laden got his start fighting Communists in Afghanistan. They might be surprised to find out how much they have in common with him.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#10)
    by Sailor on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 01:08:58 AM EST
    cheney -
    "And those doubts are encouraged, obviously, when they see the kind of debate that we've had in the United States," he said. "Suggestions, for example, that we should withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq simply feed into that whole notion, validates the strategy of the terrorists."
    Secret Service confiscates anti-Bush drawings by 15-year-old
    "This type of investigation is really a form of intimidation and a message to activists that they will pay a price for speaking out," said ACLU Associate Legal Director Ann Beeson. "The posting of publicly available information about people who are in the news should not trigger an investigation. Indeed, if the mere posting of the delegates' name is cause for alarm, then the Secret Service should be investigating the many Republican websites where the same kind of information is available."
    From the NYT
    Large Volume of F.B.I. Files Alarms U.S. Activist Groups
    New Mexico GOP officials say they plan to require signed loyalty pledges at future Bush-Cheney campaign events, saying they are meant to curb demonstrations by anti-Bush activists.
    more here
    The American Heritage Dictionary defines "McCarthyism" as "the practice of publicizing accusations of political disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence" and "the use of unfair investigatory or accusatory methods in order to suppress opposition."


    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 05:57:19 AM EST
    Sailor quotes:
    Large volume of F.B.I. files alarms US Activist group.
    You mean they are doing things like this?

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#13)
    by killer on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 07:04:46 AM EST
    Maybe I got it wrong. I thought the Idea of "freedom" of speach and assembly means that we all should support the ability of everyone to speak their minds. I believe that it is every American's right to espouse either the violent overthrow of the government (see 2nd amendment), and also for that same government to move toward totalitarianism. I think that it is a bad idea for the government to condem any political expression. It is good when individuals or groups decry others' political positions, but it will be the end of our system of government when that government does it through administration speaches or FBI investigations.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#14)
    by Sailor on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 08:27:28 AM EST
    ppj, try to stay on topic, besides (from your link)
    In March 2000, Independent Counsel Robert Ray determined that there was no credible evidence of any criminal activity. Ray's report further stated "there was no substantial and credible evidence that any senior White House official, or First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, was involved" in seeking the files.
    Quit erecting strawmen and stay on topic.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 11:08:10 AM EST
    It is an affront to all of those still alive branded with numbers on their arms.
    "It was the war to end all wars". This stuff was never supposed to ever happen again. The affront to the millions upon millions of innocent victims is that these torturers and killers, if left unchecked, would conceivably be every bit as capable of the most heinous crimes against humanity as have ever been visited upon it before. I read somewhere today a line where someone asked, "What makes these naïve Americans believe that this same torture is not going to be used upon them?"

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 11:08:10 AM EST
    Read what Chavez said. It's the truth. And what scares the hell outta the apologists for the huge crimes being committed (in the name of our safety, of all things) is that about 98 percent of the people of the world and about 60 percent of the people in this country know it's the truth.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#12)
    by cpinva on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 11:08:10 AM EST
    Democrats have been increasingly distracted by an effort to discredit our President.
    this requires no effort at all, he's done a pretty thorough job of it all by his lonesome. so that can't possibly be what they're spending all their time on. from that point on, it gets just laughable.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 12:09:00 PM EST
    Sailor - Pay attention. When you open the door, I shall come in. Pay attention again, no one said that any law had been broken. Of course the fact that Craig Livingston couldn't remember who had hired him did break the law of believeability. Killer - Interesting point. So you think that the citizen can protest, but the government can't respond with words of its own? Is that your idea of debate? BTW - Red State is not the government. Sailor - Re that old devil McCarthy. See above re Red State. Anon writes:
    If left to their own devices and left unimpeded, I have no doubt...
    Certainity is a wonderful thing. I am sure that when the terrorist flew the airplanes into the towers...when they cut they cut the throat of the flight attendant...when they beheaded Peral.. they also were certain. Such a thin line to walk, eh? I hope you don't fall off.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#16)
    by killer on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 04:01:58 PM EST
    Yes, Jim the Government can respond. By supporting the first amendment rights of every American (and all other constitutional rights). To do otherwise is to undermine the constitution that most Administration officials and Legislators are sworn to uphold. To suggest that the the Government should activly work against the rights of it's citizen owners is suggesting the end of this system of government, IMHO. I am not suggestiong that this is your position.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#17)
    by killer on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 04:03:55 PM EST
    Cnat Spell todey, sory

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 04:46:59 PM EST
    killer - What "government" are you speaking of? If some groups makes claims, the government has every right to challenge those claims and to present its side of the story. Do you think freedom of speech belongs only to those who protest? Note that I am not saying that protest should be shut down, etc.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#19)
    by Sailor on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 06:31:39 PM EST
    fbi compiles lists of peace groups. DHS denies travel to members of peace groups. POlice lock up people who might protest the president. bushco, et al, say if you support dems your fer da terrerists Yep, McCarthyism, it might be Charlie McCarthyism but it has all the earmarks. The idea is that we try to stop it sooner this time, read history, the past is prelude.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#20)
    by killer on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 08:13:58 PM EST
    I think we are in agreement. I am speaking of policy positions, not factual claims. If a citizen makes false claims, both the government and other individuals have the right to make counter-claims. However, the government may not call me a traitor because I believe in income redistribution, for example.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#21)
    by killer on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 08:15:06 PM EST
    Oops, the double post because this one is for PPJ. I think we are in agreement. I am speaking of policy positions, not factual claims. If a citizen makes false claims, both the government and other individuals have the right to make counter-claims. However, the government may not call me a traitor because I believe in income redistribution, for example.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 06:46:02 AM EST
    killer - What do you mean? Who is the "government?" Are you saying that, for example, a Congressman can't call you a traitor as a matter of law, or custom? Why is that? Do Congress people give up their right to free speech? And what is "policy?" Sailor - Your paranoia blooms like orchards in a hot house.

    Re: And You Thought McCarthyism Was Dead (none / 0) (#23)
    by Sailor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 07:15:36 AM EST
    all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for a$$holes to keep lying ... (slight paraphrase.)