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Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video

Crooks and Liars has Part I (20) minutes of the Clinton interview with Chris Wallace available for you to see. (video here.)

Arianna provides her take here.
Jane at Firedoglake and Matt at MyDD agree with Arianna.

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  • Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 10:36:41 AM EST
    I suspect that if Big Bill were still in the Oval Office, Osama would be there with him: as a trophy head on the wall.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 12:02:05 PM EST
    I did intend to mention in my last comment but if you want to pop over and read the RudeOne's inimitable take on Fox and Wallace, link here. His piece on Blitzer and Bush ain't too shabby either.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#4)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 02:24:32 PM EST
    Just watched the video over at C&L. I had read the transcripts yesterday. THe controversial question was the third question asked. The first was about his "morbid" motivation to help others. The second question was about the difference between being president and not being president with regards to philanthropy. Clinton was really having to try to keep the interview on topic, because Wallace was trying to make it personal. Then along comes the third question. I think Clinton went into the interview in defensive mode, but Wallace was not respectful of a former president. All in all, I think Clinton was ranting at times and should be more able to put Wallace in his place without getting temperamental. But he smacked him good. Listening to Clinton, something occurred to me. There have been only two attacks in the US by "Islamic terrorists". They both involved the WTC. One was 38 days into Clinton's first term, the other, 9 months after he left. Of course, there were attacks on our embassies and military installations abroad, but they have occurred during Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. So there really were NO domestic terrorist attacks under Clinton that could be attributed to his failure to get Bin Laden. As a matter of fact, it seems that, chronologically, he was quite successful at preventing any domestic attacks.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 04:59:23 PM EST
    Call it what you will, IT, Star Quality, X Factor, however you want to name it, Billy Clinton has it in spades. And how refreshing that America has an ambassador on the world stage that is far from so embarrassingly dumb and inarticulate as what is at present on offer. Personally speaking, what I find unique about Clinton is that I actually like the guy, and believe me after a lifetime of watching all the self serving wankers,to "like," let alone respect a politician is something extremely rare. And not only do I like the guy but I can relate to him. Far easier to relate to a man that would put one of his body parts into a warm wet place than to relate to a man, and here I use the term lightly, that would stick his nose in a two thousand year old work of fiction. Not only stick his nose in this book, but have it influence goverment policy of what was once considered a scientific country. And what then of Fox News? Some among you might have heard me mention my "Cor Bimey" file. Not words us lads from up north would normally employ, 'tis a phrase of the south, that said, it does express quite aptly the feeling of incredulity, and as such. matters incredible are subsequently filed there. I do however have another file entitled "Sodomy" In said file are deserving names, a large frozen haddock and a fertile, if somewhat evil imagination. Could it then be coincidence that the top three names, though oft jockeying for the top spot, have a common denominator, that being the nature of their employ. It must come of little surprise that I name these insidious creatures as OReily, Wallace, and beyond loathing, Cavuto. The three of them more than deserving of being introduced to the previous mentioned sub-zero temperature haddock, or more aptly put, having the haddock introduced to them. Briefly returning to the "Cor Blimey" much and many are therein, though levels of the "C B" factor vary, there is but one that heads so deserving the list, and ever shall remain. Perhaps I might offer some small clue if I were to say their headquarters are in The city of Clearwater. Now that's what I really call "Cor Blimey"

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 05:52:53 AM EST
    Che - Typical parsing, since OBL wasn't involved, Clinton's failure to focus on terror was no problem. Tell that to the people killed in this list of attacks. Of course, since our Embassies are US terrorities, we have this:
    The attacks, linked to local members of the al Qaeda terrorist network headed by Osama bin Laden, brought bin Laden and al Qaeda to international attention for the first time,
    And our ships are considered US terriority:
    Seventeen sailors were killed and 39 others were injured in the blast..... The attack, organized by Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist organization, was carried out by suicide bombers Ibrahim al-Thawr and Abdullah al-Misawa.
    You make me sad, Che.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#7)
    by Sailor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 06:17:36 AM EST
    The Cole wasn't confirmed until after Bush took office, and bush refused to do anything about it. The overseas ops appear to be, in bush's world, fighting them overe there so weren't fighting them over here. WTC happpened immediately after Clinton came in office and he successfully caught and prosecuted him. bush still can't find OBL and doesn't care about him.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 06:38:46 AM EST
    Sailor - Wasn't confirmed??? HAHAHAHAHAHA Tell that to the families of the dead sailors. You make me sad.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#9)
    by Peaches on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 06:46:26 AM EST
    For all of you who are not experiencing problems with posting your comments this is what happens after I hit post: rabbit hole As for Clinton, all I can say is we know nothing. I mean, perhaps Clinton would have been a better alternative for fighting the war on terror. But, I wonder how much he knows. What did he have to sign or agree to to even become the democratic nominee for President in 1992. You see, as Jim has astutely noticed, I have been consuming the 911 cookies lately. If you think there was any type of conspiracy that involved a fringe group in powerful postions with influence in the federal gov't, then you have to believe that, planning and the cover-up involves high level officials such as Clinton. At the very least, you have to think he could provide insight and would be skeptical of the US account of what happened. Of course, if he was skeptical of the official version, then it would mean either that he would risk making himself into a mockery by republicans and democrats alike and therefore risk Hilary's political career and his lucrative reputation as a reputable statesman and high dollar speaker. He might also reveal his tacit or even high level involvement in the planning of the event. But, anyway, I better sleep off the inluece of these cookies and stop researching and reading up on all the strange coincidences and irregularities on that fateful day we now collectively refer to as 911 (how poetic). Was their a terror attack orchestrated by radical muslems led by OBL or was a powerful myth was born that day to provide the impetus for a drawn out war over the world resources. Thats what I have to decide. We should remember that Clinton was on the side of securing these resources for the power control group also. Power control group? Damn, these cookies are strong.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#10)
    by Sailor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 07:13:45 AM EST
    The cole wasn't confirmed as OBL's work until after bush came in office, and bush refused to do amything about it. 9/11 commission report:
    Appearing on CNN, 25 days before the election, Bush told CNN, "I hope that we can gather enough intelligence to figure out who did the act and take the necessary action. There must be a consequence." [See 9/11 Commission Report, p. 201.]
    According to the commission report, National Security Adviser Condi Rice testified that there "was never a formal, recorded decision not to retaliate specifically for the Cole attack." Although the administration never thought the matter important enough to actually sit down and discuss, Rice said the consensus was that a "tit for tat" response would be counterproductive. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was not interested in punishing al Qaeda for the attack because, the report said, he "thought that too much time had passed and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, thought that the Cole attack was 'stale.'" (p. 202)
    On January 25, Tenet briefed the President on the Cole investigation. The written briefing repeated for top officials of the new administration what the CIA had told the Clinton White House in November. This included the "preliminary judgment" that al Qaeda was responsible, with the caveat that no evidence had yet been found that Bin Ladin himself ordered the attack. Tenet told us he had no recollection of a conversation with the President about this briefing.176 In his January 25 memo, Clarke had advised Rice that the government should respond to the Cole attack, but "should take advantage of the policy that 'we 202 will respond at a time, place and manner of our own choosing' and not be forced into knee-jerk responses."177 Before Vice President Cheney visited the CIA in mid-February, Clarke sent him a memo--outside the usual White House document-management system--suggesting that he ask CIA officials "what additional information is needed before CIA can definitively conclude that al-Qida was responsible" for the Cole.1
    So clinton was correct, bush was lazy and rice was incompetent.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 07:22:33 AM EST
    I watched this yesterday, and it reminded of me of some of the reasons so many people, usually on the right, hate Clinton. There are a few reasons. None of them are good ones, but I think the main reason is insecurity. As Tampa Student noted here "He's as Corporatist DLC Neo-Liberal as they come", and is "...blind to the abuses our Military-Industrial complex is inflicting on the rest of the world", but those are not reasons that would generate hate from the right. The right loves that stuff, except that they like to see more wars and more people die than Clinton would provide for them. Is that it? Is Clinton too good? Too eloquent, too smart, too attractive, too successful Too much of a natural? Too much at ease with himself, easygoing but radiating power and control and extreme but justified confidence in his own abiliites and understated machismo without having to prove it with swaggering defensivness? Tampa also noted that "Clinton is an empathetic character that cares what Americans believe about him and what he tried to accomplish." They hate him, I think because he is not bush, and because he is eveything that bush can never be... and without even trying, just by existing, can make bush look like a terrified, pimply faced 12 year old trying to act tough to prove himeself to his daddy. Clinton can make bush look like a complete idiot, without saying a word. With just a glance and his classic expression of amused tolerance he destroys bush. Clinton is the "Blondie" (the good) character played by Clint Eastwood to bush's "Tuco" (the ugly) played ny Eli Wallach in "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" So they hate him. Sliver dicks... ---edger

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 08:55:05 AM EST
    peaches, do you intend to suggest a govt conspiracy in which clinton was at least partly involved as an aide to the terrorists of 9-11? what evidence would make you think that? after having read the 9-11 commission report, it seems relatively cut and dried what happened. the report include planning as far back as the early 1990s. it also includes historical events before that which had an influence on the thinking of these guys. also, a lot of the evidence included in the 9-11 commission report can be seen and studied as historical fact and video evidence, such as videos and audiotapes of OBL threatening a "planes operation". also, the involvement of ramsi yousef in the first wtc bombing and his uncles who helped plan and fund the wtc attacks of 9-11. it's some pretty straight forward stuff and i really doubt, that the document is a cover up. its tone, the amount of research involved, the sources sited, the level of detail, and the facts mentioned but not truly explained b/c they dont know the answers generally tend to verify this report as true research as opposed to any cover up. of course, i may have completely missed your point, in which case i would kindly ask you to reveal in less uncertain terms. -- peace

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 08:55:05 AM EST
    Can you imagine bush saying something like this?
    I'm 60 years old and I damn near died, and I'm worried about how many lives I can save before I do die.
    Can you imagine bush even thinking something like that? ---edger

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 09:05:10 AM EST
    no need to be sad-just realize that these folks hate this country and could care less about dead americans.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#14)
    by Peaches on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 10:08:15 AM EST
    i may have completely missed your point, in which case i would kindly ask you to reveal in less uncertain terms.
    I don't think you missed my point. You'll need to do some research with an open mind. As far as the commission, I'll refer you to David Ray Griffin. I got started with this all from a magazine sent to me by a friend. It is available here. Check out the video Loose Change, for a synopsis on some of the unanswered and irregularities. The 911 commission was a gov't produced document. There are many reasons to doubt such a document, especially if you are a skeptic. I don't know what happened that day. I will never be sure what happened and how it was pulled off by whomever are responsible for this atrocious act that murdered thousands. I just have my doubts about the officially sanctioned account of that day. I am not here to persuade you of anything. I think people should just be skeptical is all. There is too much at stake to remain as automatons and accept whatever version the powers hand feed us. However, we don't have the resources to conduct our own individual investigation either. We have to put our faith in whatever information we are able to obtain from whomever and try and discover any agenda, if any, the producers of this information may have. In the end, we will be left confused and frustrated, because the truth will prove elusive. That's why I take care of my little garden and am learning to make sauerkraut this year. There are really only a minimal amount of things we actually have control of. Fortuneately, these small things we can control are exactly the things that give bring us an appreciation for life.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 10:45:45 AM EST
    Blondie? Tuco?
    One......
    Two......

    Three. ---edger

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 11:21:06 AM EST
    Peaches, Griffin is not alone. He has some heavy, and knowledgable, backing. 28-Year Career CIA Official Says 9/11 An Inside Job:
    A 28-year CIA career man and a former skeptic of alternative 9/11 explanations has gone further than ever before in voicing his convictions that the attacks bore the hallmarks of an inside job and the three buildings in the WTC complex were brought down by controlled demolition. Bill Christison is a former senior official of the CIA. He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979. Since then he has written numerous articles on U.S. foreign policies. In Christison's recent article, Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11, he afforded credibility to the notion that "significant parts" of the official 9/11 story were false and after careful research he concluded that the twin towers and building 7, "were most probably destroyed by controlled demolition charges placed in the buildings." Christison went further on The Alex Jones Show, agreeing that the attacks being an inside job was the "most likely possibility." "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too," said Christison.


    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#17)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 01:14:50 PM EST
    Jim is sad. That makes me glad.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#19)
    by Peaches on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 01:38:33 PM EST
    Makes me mad and today was going so well up to now. My last post lost down the rabbit hole.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#21)
    by Peaches on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 01:41:49 PM EST
    And then that previous one goes through. It is a mystery. Anyway I was just trying to say thanks to Edger in a long-winded sort of way. And, as you know, those moments of inspiration are difficult to repeat. Didn't go through, but if I make a link to the rabbit hole, it seems... Yes, it goes through.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 01:54:28 PM EST
    Peaches, It's a good book, no? :0 ---edger

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#18)
    by Peaches on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    Thanks for the link to Christenson, Edger. Also, I enjoyed the online printing of The Taking of America, 1-2-3 by Richard E. Sprague. I really don't know what to make of it all. I just kind of realize that as I have grown older I realize that I now know enough to know I really don't know anything at all. That is - other than how to grown and tend a garden, play a few licks on the guitar, write a few lines, and dance a couple of steps with the bride.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#20)
    by Peaches on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    And then that previous one goes through. It is a mystery. Anyway I was just trying to say thanks to Edger in a long-winded sort of way. And, as you know, those moments of inspiration are difficult to repeat.

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    Peaches, It's a good book, isn't it?

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 02:21:26 PM EST
    5 Years Later: A New Video on the 9/11 Attacks. Comprehensive and Credible - This Video Eclipses All Others. By Paul Thompson Sep 12, 2006, 08:46
    You may think you have seen all there is to see on the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States. But if you have not yet seen the one linked below, it will be well worth your time - if not your responsibility - to take one hour and twenty four minutes to watch 9/11 Press For Truth This could be the best and most credible study of September 11th 2001 anywhere. Paul Thompson's Complete 9/11 Timeline provides the research for this documentary. 9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH
    ---edger

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#25)
    by Peaches on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 02:28:15 PM EST
    Yes, I was attempting to comment on, but it was lost. I enjoyed it. I don't know what to make of it. It sort of shakes up my paradigm of the world, but then again , that was pretty shoken up to begin with. What I wanted to say was that the older I get the more I realize that I now know that I really don't know anything at all. Putting it all together, I think this group (PCG) got Bush II into the WH and continued on with its agenda. It still had operatives in place in the media and the intelligence community during the Clinton years, and I thik they orchestrated all of the embarassing moments in the WH during those years through their resources in place. A guy like Wellstone, wasn't vulnerable to an embarrassing media scandal and he was a legitimate threat to Bush and their plans post 9/11, so I've always believed he was assassinated by some group in power. Edward Kennedy was in Minnesota on the previous day and was supposed to fly with Wellstone to help with his campaign the day his plane went down. Something came up and he cancelled and flew back to Massachussetts, instead. Then all of this 9/11. One of the most compelling argument against the conspiracy theory is that these guys would have screwed up somewhere and they'd have been exposed. Well, I think they screwed up in any number of ways and, perhaps, in time they will be exposed. How long will Americans put up with no paper trail on electronic voting machines and the voting scandals that follow. They can only silence so many Wellstones. Eventually, the public will catch on and the whole thing comes down. It might be war crimes filed against this administration that begins the downfall. We'll see. sometimes when I link to something it seems to go through...sometimes. I'll try this: Interesting interview with Juan Cole on Democracynow.com

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Sep 25, 2006 at 02:58:42 PM EST
    For the PCG:
    Oh yeah
    Mm
    Still dont know what I was waiting for
    And my time was running wild
    A million dead-end streets and
    Every time I thought I'd got it made
    It seemed the taste was not so sweet
    So I turned myself to face me
    But I've never caught a glimpse
    Of how the others must see the faker
    I'm much too fast to take that test
    ...
    I watch the ripples change their size
    But never leave the stream
    Of warm impermanence
    So the days float through my eyes
    But still the days seem the same

    And these children that you spit on
    As they try to change their worlds
    Are immune to your consultations
    They're quite aware of what they're going through
    -- Changes, David Bowie ---edger

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Tue Sep 26, 2006 at 02:48:18 PM EST
    What you guys are missing the point republicans at the time of the Cole and Bosnia. Didn't give a damn about OBL, the economy, health care,fuel cost,the poor,the blind,the environment and not lease of all anyone on this list unless you run a company and are giving to RNC smog machine.All they cared about at the time was getting Clinton !!!!! America be damn, get Clinton at any and all cost. I have never seen such blind hatedred.All the energy wasted on what trying to get someone. The Republicans are the biggest waste of time and lies that have hit the planet in some time.They still have to get Clinton due to their failures to divert from what Bush has done to the country. We are less safe since Bush set up the "New Terror Camp" in Iraq. Iraq is a "Terror Factory" do you guys understand that. All the 1000's of nobodies are now bomb makers now due to their training in Iraq. The Bush War is worst than any of you will ever know. Well you will know when its to late.Maybe they blame all of Bushes newest stuff on Clinton. Waveflux

    Re: Bill Clinton on Osama: The Fox Video (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 28, 2006 at 01:02:37 AM EST
    Bush is evil and has the smell of death, why do people like that?