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Posted on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 12:00:27 PM EST
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I'll be in court and with clients most of the day. Let's try another open thread, now that so many of you are registered and have mastered the comment area of the new site.

Feel free to let me know what you think of the change, whether you are getting accustomed to it, and whether you have found it speedier to load and to comment.

You can also weigh in on other subjects. Just remember, no profanity here. I can't edit your comments, so those with profanity or blazing attacks on other posters will just be deleted. I still intend to keep the site civil.

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    • Open Thread | 43 comments (43 topical)
    Re: Open Thread (1.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 03:54:34 PM EST
    Scribe - The same judge, obviously a Demo since he was appointed by Clinton, demanded a list of people visiting Cheney's residence.

    Now you might make a case that a list of people visiting his office should be public information.. But his home? Don't you think that is over the top?

    How would you like to tell the WA everyone who visited your home? Oh, I know.. if Cheney has nothing to hide, he shouldn't mind, eh??

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#18)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 04:14:17 PM EST
    The VP's residence is not a private house.  It is a government building, and the visitor logs are, if I recall correctly, kept by the Secret Service in the course of their ordinary business, on the taxpayer dime.  

    Unlike the Preznit, who lives upstairs in what is, effectively, an office building with a catering hall (White House Mess and the reception and social function rooms) attached, the VP residence, called Blair House, was once a private house, later taken over by (or donated to, I forget) the gov't.  The VP's office, in this admin, is in the whole WH/EOB complex.  Or, depending on how the mood strikes him, I guess, on a plant-and-shoot quail farm somewhere.

    As to the politics of the judge - one cannot assume that with a Clinton appointee he only appointed Demos.  Unlike the current occupant at 1600, WJC was not parochial that way.

    Good to see you back JimakaPPJ - I thought we might have lost you somewhere in the transition.

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    Re: Open Thread (1.00 / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 04:23:16 PM EST
    peaches - Always glad to help you.

    So, who is the insurgent General Giap influencing the American Media these days?

    Uh, I have never ever never ever said tha Giap influenced the american media. Where do you get such obviously nutty things???

    I have said, and provided links, that shows that Giap was influenced by the american media to understand that they were against the war, and that they would carry Giap's water.., although I don't think that they were really smart enough to know what they were doing.

    You write:

    Who is the American Media equivalent of Walter Cronkite?

    I assume you mean "in the American..."

    Actually their names are legion, but can be identified as the MSM and the anti-war Left.

    Enjoy, dear peaches. But can you please work on your accuracy? You're starting to sound like any common Demo politican.

    Re: Open Thread (1.00 / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 02:00:14 PM EST
    Che - The myth beloved by the Left that the evil Rove will spring a big terror event just before the election...

    But you knew that.

    Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
    When you're perfect in every way
    I can't wait to look in the mirror
    Cuz I get better lookin each day

    To know me is to love me
    I must be a hell of a man
    Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
    But I'm doin' the best that I can

    ;-) Here's laughing at you, Che.

    And we aren't talking about spelling, english, etc...

    John Mann - Who you talking to and where are the links??

    kdog - Sorry bud...now the Cardinals will be gone in 6...

    Jim wondered... (none / 0) (#40)
    by John Mann on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 07:48:18 PM EST
    ...
    John Mann - Who you talking to and where are the links??

    Jim, you should be able to figure out that I was replying to Che's post. After all, you're an obviously educated fellow.

    Links for what? Did I touch a nerve?

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#1)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 12:23:33 PM EST
    Terror threat on football stadiums.

    Right on schedule. Any credibility here?

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by roy on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 12:31:32 PM EST
    Nobody is taking the stadium threat seriously.  It's clearly a trick by the Democrats, timed to undermine the perceived importance of the Global War on Terror.

    Or maybe, since voters now think Dems are better on national security, it's a plain old scare-'em trick, just lacking Rove's competence.

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#3)
    by cpinva on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 12:40:05 PM EST
    i'm not sure i'd go so far as to say i've "mastered" the comment area. let's just say i'm not quite as inept as i was yesterday, and leave it at that. :)

    you know what would be nice? to have media people who actually took their jobs seriously, as opposed to those who just use to fill time between weekends at their "cottages" in the hamptons. pros willing to do the heavy lifting, not afraid to be accused of being unfair, who called liars liars.

    it would require some actual work on their part, but for the millions they're paid, it seems only reasonable.

    what do you suppose are the odds?

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#4)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 01:01:55 PM EST
    No argument from me on that point, CP.

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#7)
    by scarshapedstar on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 01:18:32 PM EST
    The odds of Keith Olbermann's existence are, I'm happy report, quite good. :-)

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#5)
    by Peaches on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 01:09:32 PM EST
    I see Scribe has posted a couple of diary entries (Nice job Scribe) and I still don't see that we can rate these entries. I am also wondering how he was able to do it -- Post a diary entry, that is.

    On another note: President Bush's agreement with Friedman's comparison of the Tet Offensive and Viet Nam with Iraq War. I was just wondering the old Mans thoughts on this. So, who is the insurgent General Giap influencing the American Media these days? Who is the American Media equivalent of Walter Cronkite? I have always found the old man's thoughts on this very entertaining and humorous. I'm looking for a laugh old man. Can you help me out?

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#6)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 01:16:33 PM EST
    JM, I often get the

    Post Failed.
    Subject is too long (max is 50 characters).

    message when I go to post, because the thread title is automatically put in the subject line, and that title is often in excess of 50 characters.

    This forces us to modify the subject line in order to post. Small quibble to be sure, but it is kinda annoying...

    Other than that, it seems to be working great!

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#8)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 01:22:49 PM EST
    Re:  the re line - what's really annoying is, if the post fails because the subject line is more than 50 characters and then, by some mistake, you hit the delete or backspace key while the cursor's in the body of the comment, your whole comment goes - ZIP! - into the ether.

    Stupid electrons.

    This morning I lost a well-done comment on Rummy's shrewdness and a half hour of my time to that bug. And my temper, for a few minutes.

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 02:15:30 PM EST
    I've lost comment text so often that it's become second nature to keep notepad open and cut/paste my comments into it before I hit post.

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    Re: Open Thread - Nevada Gov. candidate trouble (none / 0) (#9)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 01:36:03 PM EST
    This didn't stay in Vegas....

    The Repug candidate for governor of Nevada has just done himself really well.  Per the Vegas papers in a very long article, he was accused of attempting sexual battery on a cocktail waitress this past Friday night.  She made three calls to 911 and a police report, but then decided to withdraw the complaint Saturday, saying:

    "mainly because of who he is. 'Cause of who he is, and I just don't want to go up against something like that."

    The candidate, Jim Gibbons, is currently a Republican member of the House of Representatives.  Friday night, he and his party ran up a bar tab of $300.  He told the woman how his marriage wasn't much anymore, and some more of the usual lines 60-something guys use on women half their age.

    It is reported people in the bar have some of the episode on their camera phones.

    Great quote, from the 911 tape:

    He didn't seem like he was under the influence of anything other than alcohol, correct?" the operator asks.

    "Oh, probably power," Mazzeo says laughing. "But I don't know."

    But, it's Vegas, Baby!

    Re: Open Thread - Deadeye has to give documents (none / 0) (#10)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 02:02:59 PM EST
    A judge ruled today that WH visitor logs for Deadeye Dick Cheney, his counsel, spokesperson, and chief of staff have to be turned over, in response to media requests.  

    Deadeye's lame argument in response is that it would impair the Constitutional function of the Vice-President to force him to tell who he visits with.  Which seems particularly lame, since the only functions the Vice-President has, under the Constitution, are to wait around for the Preznit to die (Art. II, sec. 1 and Amend. XXV), be subject to impeachment (Art. II, sec. 4)and preside over the Senate (Art. I, sec. 3).

    Ya Gotta Believe!! (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 03:35:18 PM EST
    The pesky Cardinals have proven to be a more worthy adversary than I had thought...but no matter.  The Amazin' Mets will find a way despite their shoddy pitching situation to get to the World Series tonight at Shea.

    And the best part...I just scored a ticket at the last second....and will witness the victory live.

    Lets Go Mets!!! Ya Gotta Believe!!

    Re: Ya Gotta Believe!! (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jen M on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 09:33:05 PM EST
    Hey, I may be the only person that bet on the mets to win just as Mookie Wilson came up to bat in that last inning of the sixth game of the world series against the Red Sox.

    bit of a long shot, eh?

    But we were teaching our friend from Brazil the finer points of baseball, and SOMEONE had to teach him that it ain't over till its over. So I made the bet.

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    Re: Ya Gotta Believe!! (none / 0) (#30)
    by John Mann on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 09:55:11 AM EST
    The gods finally got even with the Mets. I still remember how sick I felt in October, 1986 when that ground ball went between Billy Buckner's feet.

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#13)
    by Patrick on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 03:47:59 PM EST
    Does Foley's revelation about the priest and the priests basic admission that there was an improper relationship excuse or mitigate his (Foley's) actions?  I gotta say, it's not doing it for me.    

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 03:56:43 PM EST
    Che - FBI just announced it was a hoax by a teenager in WI... Can I get an apology??

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 03:59:12 PM EST
    Scribe - Who does this Vegas dude think he is, Bill Clinton?  If he's elected he'll probably drop his pants and asj for BJ's... If he makes it to President, well.... anybody got a cigar??

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#17)
    by scribe on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 04:06:32 PM EST
    I think, from reading the newspaper article, that he never quite got to the point of asking for any specific act(s).  But, I did take away that he was more than a little physical in his attempt - something about he "grabbed her, shoved her against a wall and threatened her in a Las Vegas parking garage after she rebuffed his advances".  WJC did not, to my recollection, work over Monica, nor did he have to.

    And, who does he think he is?  A Republican Congressman running to be the Governor of Nevada, with his wife running to take his seat in Congress.  (That must be a very happy home right about now.)

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 04:27:25 PM EST
    scribe - A person's home is their home. The cost of running his residence is a perk paid for by the tax payers, and may or may not be taxable. How far will you follow him? Into his bedroom?

    You should be careful how you call for the destruction of privacy while screaming that we can't listen in on telephone calls from terrorists out side the US to persons inside the US.

    Some might start calling you biased and hypocritical.

    Re: I BELIEVE!! I BELIEVE!! (none / 0) (#21)
    by desertswine on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 04:27:31 PM EST
    kdog -

    If only the Mets had a real pitcher, they wouldn't need another miracle.

    "There comes a time in every man's life, and I've had plenty of them."
      -- Casey Stengel

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 04:34:38 PM EST
    BTW - Never been gone, just busy making money to support the palatial retirement compound, catfish pond and BBQ stand.. This week's fresh vegetable is turnips...

    As for the LV dummy and Clinton...I was referring to the rape and asking a lady for a BJ in his hotel room...and what he did with the cigars is best left alone..

    But you know...Doesn't this prove how much damage Clinton did?? Prior to him, the acts of this LV dude would be roundly criticized... Now some spoil sport can start doing comparsions... sad...even if I'm the compare guy...

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 19, 2006 at 04:36:45 PM EST
    kdog... and right into getting their butts kicked by the Tigers...

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#31)
    by John Mann on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 09:58:35 AM EST
    I never thought I'd see the day, but we finally agree on something.

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#25)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 02:00:58 AM EST
    Che - FBI just announced it was a hoax by a teenager in WI... Can I get an apology??

    By all means, hold your breath.

    Re: Open Thread - A Judge on Yoo (none / 0) (#26)
    by scribe on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 07:51:23 AM EST
    The Fifth Circuit is going to look into what's effectively a letter to the editor  (though it was an email responding to an interview of John Yoo on NPR), in which the writer characterized the new Torture Act as something "out of the old Soviet Union" and more.

    Whatever else one might say about it, that judge has it right.

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 08:16:45 AM EST
    Che - Another myth explodes before your eyes and you can't seem to find the courage to admit that you are wrong.

    Typical.

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 08:22:10 AM EST
    scribe - So another activist judge jumps in the water... what's new?

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#33)
    by aw on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 10:33:12 AM EST
    Shorter PPJ:  We don't need no stinkin' rights.

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 08:24:00 AM EST
    Oh well...the fat lady sang on my boys....what a game though, absolutely electric atmosphere up in the nosebleed section.  I thought the place was gonna collapse.  We cheered our hearts out, but came up short.  Always next year!  

    Congrats are due to St. Louis, they got the big hits and the big outs.  Hopefully they take down Detroit and bring the trophy home to the National league.  

    And thanks to the Mets for a great season. A personal thanks to Endy Chavez for making one of the greatest catches I have ever seen.

    Now it's time to root the Jets into the NFL playoffs.   J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets!!!!

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#34)
    by Jen M on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 11:30:29 AM EST
    Awwwww

    It could be worse you know, I'm a Cubs fan

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#32)
    by Sailor on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 10:10:35 AM EST
    the buttons still don't work for Safari 2.0.4

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Oct 21, 2006 at 12:28:27 AM EST
    Sailor, they never will. They never worked on my Mac in Safari using MT either.  But they did on my Mac if I used Firefox. That's a Mac thing, not a scoop or MT or button thing.  It might have to do with javascript, I'm not sure.  But the text instructions are below in each comment.

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#35)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 12:03:45 PM EST
    Che - Another myth explodes before your eyes and you can't seem to find the courage to admit that you are wrong.
    Typical.

    What myth? Any credibility? Oh sorry, I made a comment.

    Your demands for apologies are so immature. And they bury the hypocrisy needle. I have self corrected and apologized on this site for everything from misinfomation to typos. Everyone here knows it. You, OTOH, simply disappear from any thread in which you are proven wrong. I challenge you to produce ONE archived thread in whichg you offered an apology for ANY misquote, misinformation or outright condradiction. You cannot. Because you have not, do not and will not ever admit that you are wrong. It's too bad, because in another reality you may atually be well educated. But as I have told numersous MD's, PhD's and peope here, and it applies especially to you. Education does NOT confer wisdom.

    You can breathe now.


    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#36)
    by John Mann on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 01:25:44 PM EST
    I challenge you to produce ONE archived thread in whichg you offered an apology for ANY misquote, misinformation or outright condradiction.
    I hope you won't be holding your breath waiting for this one.
    But as I have told numersous MD's, PhD's and peope here, and it applies especially to you. Education does NOT confer wisdom.
    Heh. Far too many people are educated beyond their intelligence.

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    More on Hilary and Torture Loopholes (none / 0) (#38)
    by theologicus on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 02:27:02 PM EST
    Hillary Hits Bottom
    Clinton ought to know the serious legal ramifications of allowing torture in 'ticking bomb' scenarios.
    By Rosa Brooks
    Los Angeles Times       October 20, 2006

    HAS HILLARY CLINTON been watching too many episodes of "24," or is she just determined to prove that she really is entirely without principles?  

    Whichever it is, Clinton hit a new low last week, telling the New York Daily News that the president should have "some lawful authority" to use torture or other "severe" interrogation methods in a so-called ticking-bomb scenario. ...

    CLINTON OUGHT to know better. Plenty of immoral things might conceivably be justified in far-fetched hypothetical situations, but that doesn't mean the law should bless those exceptions in advance. ...

    Clinton was right about one thing: When you start to contemplate writing those "very, very narrow" exceptions into law, you've fallen as low as it's possible to go.
    Re: More on Hilary and Torture Loopholes (none / 0) (#41)
    by John Mann on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 07:55:09 PM EST
    Whichever it is, Clinton hit a new low last week, telling the New York Daily News that the president should have "some lawful authority" to use torture or other "severe" interrogation methods in a so-called ticking-bomb scenario. ...

    When Hillary becomes President, she'll probably have Bill tortured. I bet he atill hasn't told her the full story about Monica.

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    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#39)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Oct 20, 2006 at 07:02:06 PM EST
    The myth beloved by the Left that the evil Rove will spring a big terror event just before the election...

    More like a myth you created. But anyone who can type can create a myth.

    And then we get a humility prayer. Pass the dramamine.

    Re: Open Thread (none / 0) (#43)
    by Edger on Sat Oct 21, 2006 at 04:37:30 PM EST
    Testing

    Open Thread | 43 comments (43 topical)