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Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich

Frank Rich fancies himself a wizened cynic, awake to all the ills of Democratic spinelessness. But Obama weaved his spell, to the point that Rich rips Hillary for the exact positions Obama himself holds, while getting his facts wrong in the process. Too funny:

That’s why it’s important to remember that on one true test for his party, Iraq, he was consistent from the start. On the long trail to a hotly competitive senatorial primary in Illinois, he repeatedly questioned the rationale for the war before it began, finally to protest it at a large rally in Chicago on the eve of the invasion [Since Obama ran for the U.S. Senate in 2004, it is hard to see how Obama could have been doing that]. He judged Saddam to pose no immediate threat to America and argued for containment over a war he would soon label “dumb” and “political-driven.” He hasn’t changed. In his new book, he gives a specific date (the end of this year) for beginning “a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops” and doesn’t seem to care who calls it “cut and run.” Contrast this with Hillary Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, who last week said that failed American policy in Iraq should be revisited if there’s no improvement in “maybe 60 to 90 days.” This might qualify as leadership, even at this late date, if only John Warner, the Republican chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, hadn’t proposed exactly the same time frame for a re-evaluation of the war almost a week before she did.

Obama's position on Iraq today is precisely Hillary Clinton's position - the Levin Amendment's no set date withdrawal resolution. But Frank Rich is intent on lionizing Obama, damn the facts.

Frank Rich says Barack Obama doesn't care who calls him a cut and runner? How about this?

BLITZER: And joining us now from Capitol Hill, Senator Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois.

We'll get to politics, we'll get to some other issues in a moment, Senator. But what about this Republican effort right now to paint not only you, but almost all Democrats as weak on terror? In the words of one House Republican leader, "more interested in protecting terrorists than the American public"?

How are you going to fight back on that?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D), ILLINOIS: Well, first of all, I hope they didn't say it about me personally. . . .

Rich is really clueless. He writes:

If the Democratic Party is to be more than a throw-out-Bush party, it can’t settle for yet again repackaging its well-worn ideas, however worthy, with a new slogan containing the word “New.” It needs a major infusion of steadfast leadership.

And that is the point. Obama does not want to lead. He wants to buff his image, and he is doing it well:

What little criticism Mr. Obama has received is from those in his own camp who find him cautious to a fault, especially on issues that might cause controversy. The sum of all his terrific parts, this theory goes, may be less than the whole: another Democrat who won’t tell you what day it is before calling a consultant, another human weather vane who waits to see which way the wind is blowing before taking a stand. That has been the Democrats’ fatal malady, but it’s way too early and there’s too little evidence to say Mr. Obama has been infected by it. If he is conciliatory by nature and eager to entertain adversaries’ views in good faith, that’s not necessarily a fault, particularly in these poisonous times. The question is whether Mr. Obama will stick up for core principles when tested and get others to follow him.

Ths, all the evidence is that Barack is NOT a leader, a fighter for his principles, and not a fighter for the Democratic Party.

Rich's column is so off base, so riduclously full of Beltway BS, that he has lost all rights to smirk for the next year.

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Austin Mayor on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 03:20:49 PM EST
    I hate to be the guy who interrupts one of your anti-Obama rants with facts, but:
    Obama has been very forthright in his opposition to the war. He spoke in an anti-war rally in October 2002. Very well attended, very large rally, and he said some powerful words that were strongly against the war. I think he gained a lot of supporters from that particular speech. He was so clear in his opposition and yet not in any way negative. He didn't use the traditional kind of code words that people who oppose the war were using. He did it in a way that attracted people who normally would be gung ho for military action. He said he wasn't against all wars and he went against much of what was being said on the podium, but he did it in such a considerate and intelligent way that even those who wanted more raw meat were satisfied with his speech. In fact, were captivated by the way he presented himself.

    Source: Salim Muwakkil and Amy Goodman, Democracy Now Jul 15, 2004

    In addition, do you really think that an allegation that one "more interested in protecting terrorists than the American public" is nothing more than another "cut and run" accusation?  They are two distinct Republican allegations that merit different responses.  

    The cut and run allegation long ago became a joke and Sen. Obama treats it as such.  The allegation that Democrats care less about Americans than the terrorists trying to kill them is a repulsive statement that demands a denial.

    In the future, I suggest that you take a couple of deep breaths -- and perhaps run a Google search --  before your next Obama post.

    -- So-Called "Austin Mayor"

    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (1.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 04:15:24 PM EST
    I hate to introduce facts to you. Rich said he did it during his US Senate run, because Rich does not know his facts. His US Senate run was in 2004 not 2002.

    Do you think Obama has been leading on IRaq since he became a US Senator?

    Look, Obama has great talent. but he has stood for Dems and Dem principles rhtorically on virtually nothing as a US Senator.  

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (1.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 04:17:19 PM EST
    Oh by the wya, who in the heck did bama attract in 2002 to the anti-war cause? What a bunch of baloney.

    Come armed with facts next time and try reading more carefully.

    And keep coming back to read the truth about Obama here.

    Cuz I will keep delivering it.


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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Austin Mayor on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 05:22:58 PM EST
    I realize that because you did not live in Illinois during Sen. Obama's run you do not know what actually happened during that time, but that does not excuse your posting in ignorance.

    It was a race for an open seat -- Fitzgerald stepped down -- so the campaigning began very early.  Yes, he was very, very vocal in his opposition to the war.  And IL Dems were paying attention to such things.  If you would take a moment to do a Google search you would see that he spoke out against the war at an anti-war rally in Federal Plaza in Chicago.  

    I stand by my two points: 1) Obama actually spoke out against the Iraq war -- early and often, and 2) Obama's response to the "terrorists instead of Americans" charge was not about cut and run.

    If you want to complain about Obama performance since joining the Senate that's fine, but do a little research before trying to write about his time in Illinois.

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (1.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 05:35:08 PM EST
    You are some piece of work.

    I followed the Illinois Senate primary very closely. I probably supported Obama long before you did.

    You presumptuos condescending snot.

    As for your freaking two points, they have NOTHING to do with what I  wrote - thatFrank Rich was wrong when he said Obama campaigned for the US Senate opposing the commencement of the IRaq War. Obama could not have. because the war started in 2003.

    Since you are too childish to admit your diatribe was wrong and then follow with your snotty presumptuousness about MY knowledge of the Illinois Senate race in 2004, I can only assume you have nothing at all to say of worth on this subject.

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by The Other Austin Mayor Login on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:26:08 PM EST
    "You presumptuos condescending snot."

    Wow.

    "you are too childish to admit your diatribe was wrong"

    I never intended to make you mad.

    "your snotty presumptuousness about MY knowledge of the Illinois Senate race in 2004"

    Clearly I was mean and out of line.

    Sorry about that.

    I can only assume you have nothing at all to say of worth on this subject.

    You must be right about everything.

    My mistake.

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (1.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 08:30:43 PM EST
    Next time hold the condescension for a poster who will not respond, namely me.

    Since you closing demonstrates your apology was not sincere, nor was it wholly correct by the way, not only were you mean, you were wrong, I need not worry about accepting it.

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    You want room 12a Just along the corridor. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 07:51:38 PM EST
    I should resist... oh what the hell a little MPFC to lighten things up a bit
    Q:   WHAT DO YOU WANT?
    M:   Well, I was told outside that...
    Q:   Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
    M:   What?
    Q:   Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
    M:   Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
    Q:   OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
    M:   Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
    Q:   Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
    M:   Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
    Q:   Not at all.
    M:   Thank You.
    (Under his breath) Stupid git!!



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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 03:10:52 AM EST
    oh my, what a huge, f*ing surprise! frank rich is an idiot. a cynical idiot perhaps, but an idiot nonetheless. anyone who would take him at all seriously, as anything other than birdcage lining material, deserves what they get

    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#2)
    by Kitt on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 10:40:45 AM EST
    And - Mr. Obama just announced his intent to run in the presidential race of 2008 on MTP. (I'm trying to find something to collaborate)

    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#3)
    by Kitt on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 10:48:01 AM EST
    My apologies. He will make a decision regarding running in 2008. (I had just crawled out bed and was totally coffeeless when I turned on the TV)

    Oct 22, 10:50 AM (ET)

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Barack Obama acknowledged Sunday he was considering a run for president in 2008, backing off previous statements that he would not do so......"Given the response I've been getting the last several months, I have thought about the possibility" although not with any seriousness or depth, he said. "My focus is on '06. ... After November 7, I'll sit down and consider it.



    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#4)
    by John Mann on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 03:00:08 PM EST
    In Mr. Obama's house, the lights are on but nobody's home.

    Definitely presidential material.

    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#5)
    by JHFarr on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 03:03:53 PM EST
    When it comes to Obama, I draw the line: no more triangulating SOBs, no way, no how. If he's the candidate, I stay home, period. He'd have to change radically over the next two years to get any goodness from me. Bah.

    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#14)
    by archpundit on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:07:22 PM EST
    ===As for your freaking two points, they have NOTHING to do with what I  wrote - thatFrank Rich was wrong when he said Obama campaigned for the US Senate opposing the commencement of the IRaq War. Obama could not have. because the war started in 2003.

    Wrong. In fact, it couldn't be more wrong.  

    Obama was running from mid-2002

    http://www.archpundit.com/archives/002588.html

    I started covering the Illinois Senate race in November of 2002 and Obama was already known to be a candidate.  Shomon tells the story that it was as they were driving together in March of that year that Obama made up his mind and they started to work throughout the state almost immediately.


    Copyright 2002 Paddock Publications, Inc.  
    Chicago Daily Herald

    October 3, 2002, Thursday All

    SECTION: NEWS; Six counties in 60 seconds; Pg. 8

    LENGTH: 180 words

    BODY:  300 attend rally against Iraq war:  

    The Rev. Jesse Jackson called on the Bush administration Wednesday to "lead the world, not rule it" at a downtown rally protesting plans for war against Iraq. State Sen. Barak Obama, a Chicago Democrat; the Rev. Paul Rutgers, chairman of the Council of Religious Leaders of Metropolitan Chicago; and former state Sen. Jesus Garcia of Chicago, among others, joined Jackson in urging the federal government to avoid a military strike against Iraq. "While we're looking at Saddam Hussein, we're taking attention away from our economic problems," Jackson said, pointing to the recent stock market plunge and the $2 billion national deficit. Obama, along with several of the speakers, acknowledged the necessity of war in some cases, but only as a last resort. "I don't oppose all war; I oppose dumb war," Obama said. He also said a war in Iraq based on passion and politics would provoke the worst impulses of the Arab world. Police estimated 300 people attended the event.  

    - Greg Bryant and Jane B. Vaughn, Medill News Service

    And that rally on the eve of the war....

    SECTION: NEWS SPECIAL EDITION; Pg. 3

    LENGTH: 315 words

    HEADLINE: Anti-war rally here draws thousands

    BYLINE: Jim Ritter

    BODY:
    Thousands of demonstrators packed Daley Center Plaza for a two-hour rally Sunday, then marched through downtown in Chicago's largest protest to date against an Iraq war.

    Crowd estimates from police and organizers ranged from 5,000 to 10,000.

    The demonstration was organized by dozens of labor unions, faith groups and organizations as diverse as the Arab-American Action Network, Chicagoland Student Anti-War Network, Metro Seniors in Action and North Suburban Peace Initiative. Buses came from Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan.

    Although the crowd was predominantly white, demonstrators of all races and ages attended. They all had in common a deep anger at President Bush.

    "Our president is leading us into destruction," said the Rev. Jeanette Wilson of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, one of more than two dozen speakers.

    Anti-Bush placards declared:

    *"Drop Bush, not bombs."

    *"George W. Bush is about to kill Iraqi children in our name."

    *"Let's bomb Texas. They have oil, too."

    Demonstrator Ed Prell of Chicago said Bush "is the one who symbolizes this pro-war madness." Prell's placard said: "War is sweet to those who haven't tasted it, Bush/Cheney."

    State Sen. Barack Obama (D-Chicago) told the crowd, "It's not too late" to stop the war.

    But many demonstrators conceded that war appears inevitable.

    "I think it's tragic," said Dominic Doherty of Oak Park. "The voice of the people doesn't matter."

    Organizers are planning 5 p.m. rallies at the federal building at Jackson and Dearborn on the day a war begins and the following day.

    "We have only begun to say we want no war against Iraq," said Bishop C. Joseph Sprague of the United Methodist Church, the final speaker.

    Demonstrators then marched north on Dearborn, east on Wacker and south on Michigan, shouting chants such as "Peace, now" and "No war on Iraq, bring our soldiers back."

    GRAPHIC: Keith Hale, Demonstrators display anti-war signs Sunday at Daley Center Plaza. The crowd was estimated at 5,000 to 10,000.

    LOAD-DATE: March 18, 2003

    And he called out his opponents on the war before then

    Copyright 2003 Associated Press
    All Rights Reserved

    The Associated Press State & Local Wire

    March 3, 2003, Monday, BC cycle

    SECTION: State and Regional

    LENGTH: 419 words

    HEADLINE: Obama challenges opponents to speak out on war

    BYLINE: By JOHN O'CONNOR, Associated Press Writer

    DATELINE: SPRINGFIELD, Ill.

    BODY:
    Barack Obama is criticizing the idea of war against Iraq and challenging his Democratic opponents in the U.S. Senate race to take a stand on the question.

    The opponents say they have - and the stands are pretty similar to Obama's.

    Issuing the challenge at a weekend speech in Champaign, Obama said he does not oppose war if it's necessary. But he believes Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein poses no immediate threat and that, with Iraq's economy in shambles, he can be "contained" until internal pressures force him out.

    Obama said candidates wishing to unseat Republican Sen. Peter Fitzgerald in 2004 should speak up now as the Bush administration moves closer to using military force against Iraq.

    "What's tempting is to take the path of least resistance and keep quiet on the issue, knowing that maybe in two or three or six months, at least the fighting will be over and you can see how it plays itself out," said Obama, a state senator from Chicago.

    Positions on war likely will rise to the top of congressional campaigns across the nation, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee spokesman Brad Woodhouse said. But candidates may find big changes in public opinion between now and next year's polling.

    "Who knows how the public will be approaching this issue a year from now if the war is eight or 10 months behind us?" Woodhouse said.

    Other Democrats in next spring's primary reacted quickly to Obama's challenge. And the reactions differ very little from Obama's.

    "We need to exhaust all the diplomatic possibilities available to us," Metamora Mayor Matt O'Shea said. "I will support (military) action if we've exhausted every option diplomatically."

    Chicago lawyer Gery Chico believes deposing Saddam "is an absolute necessity," but said in a statement he favors additional United Nations inspections "to see if Iraq can be completely disarmed without resorting to armed conflict."

    Likewise, Chicago businessman Blair Hull wants "clear evidence" Iraq is violating U.N. sanctions and that a military strike is the only option.

    "We must continue to build an international coalition and we must make sure we've exhausted all peaceful options," Hull said in a prepared statement.

    State Comptroller Dan Hynes supports removing Saddam but "is concerned about the implications of the president's Iraq policy on current U.S. security," said spokesman Jeff Pollock, who would not elaborate.

    Candidates Joyce Washington and Maria Pappas did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

    LOAD-DATE: March 4, 2003



    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (1.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:33:17 PM EST
    Incredibly, none of your links mention he is a candidate.

    Apparently, it was known by you and him.

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#17)
    by archpundit on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:40:12 PM EST
    And the Sun-Times--see below.  

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:18:36 AM EST
    Yes, Obama had announced his candidacy.

    Show me the press release why don't you?

    Besides, Rich thought Obama  ran for US Senate in 2002. And you know that. But you insist with this blather.

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#22)
    by archpundit on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:49:07 AM EST
    Where does Rich say that he ran in 2002?  He only mentions the 2002 midterms in relation to the party's wimpiness and Daschle. Could you quote what you are claiming Rich said?

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#24)
    by archpundit on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:58:43 AM EST
    Obama announced officially on January 21, 2003, but again, it was clear he was running since April or May of 2002.  The Sun-Times and Daily Herald have stories in the Lexis-Nexis database if you want to check them out for yourself.  

    Copyright 2003 Paddock Publications, Inc.  
    Chicago Daily Herald

    January 22, 2003, Wednesday All

    SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 11

    LENGTH: 388 words

    HEADLINE: Democratic candidate says Fitzgerald 'betrayed' state

    BYLINE: Eric Krol Daily Herald Political Writer

    BODY:  Democratic state Sen. Barack Obama kicked off his primary campaign for U.S. Senate Tuesday by claiming Republican incumbent Peter Fitzgerald "betrayed" Illinois by voting for tax cuts that favor the rich while doing little in office to help regular people.  

    "Four years ago Peter Fitzgerald bought himself a seat in the United States Senate," said Obama, a 41-year-old civil rights lawyer from Chicago. "But today, we are here to take it back on behalf of the people of Illinois."  

    Obama, who if elected would be the first black man to serve in the U.S. Senate in nearly a quarter century, also took Fitzgerald to task for initially backing Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott, the former Senate majority leader who stepped down last month after making comments supportive of the 1948 segregationist presidential ticket.  

    A Fitzgerald spokesman said the senator declined to comment. Fitzgerald last month said Lott should be judged by his lifetime of work, not just one comment.  

    Obama, who was born in Hawaii and served as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, made his announcement flanked by 40 political leaders at a downtown hotel. During his three terms as a state senator representing the Hyde Park area, Obama probably is best known for modernizing and toughening juvenile justice laws. Obama outlined his vision for the Senate while repeatedly posing the question, "What would Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. say?"  

    "What we face today is more than just a deficit of dollars. We have a fairness deficit in this country. We have a hope deficit in this country. We have an opportunity deficit in this country," Obama said. "And so I know what Dr. King would say, and so do you. He would say we have an obligation to our children and our country to stand up for a new direction."  

    But if Obama is to face Fitzgerald, he must first win a crowded Democratic primary that's likely to include state Comptroller Dan Hynes, wealthy investment banker Blair Hull and former Chicago school board President Gery Chico. Cook County Treasurer Maria Pappas also may run.  

    State Sen. Terry Link of Vernon Hills, the Lake County Democratic chairman and an early Obama supporter, said Obama will have a significant base of support in the black community, which makes up a large chunk of the primary vote.

    GRAPHIC: Barack Obama

    LOAD-DATE: January 24, 2003



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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#16)
    by archpundit on Sun Oct 22, 2006 at 11:38:12 PM EST
    Wow, you really don't know when to give up

    Copyright 2002 Chicago Sun-Times, Inc.  
    Chicago Sun-Times

    May 27, 2002 Monday

    SECTION: EDITORIAL; Pg. 21

    LENGTH: 703 words

    HEADLINE: Moseley-Braun looking for rerun

    BYLINE: Laura Washington

    HIGHLIGHT:
    Former senator's got loads of baggage, but has she got support?

    BODY:
    'Never. Nein. Nyet." That's what U.S. Sen. Carol Moseley-Braun said when asked if she would ever run for office again, in the wake of her Icaruslike fall to Peter Fitzgerald in 1998.

    Never say never, in any language. In recent months, the word on the street is that Moseley-Braun is meeting with elected officials and political activists to line up support for another run for the U.S. Senate.

    Last week, Moseley- Braun told me she has made no firm decision. She is traveling around the state and "listening" to elected officials, activists and other leaders, a la Hillary Clinton's "listening tour" that advanced her 2000 New York Senate campaign. After two years as ambassador to New Zealand, then teaching at an Atlanta college, Moseley-Braun has moved back to Hyde Park full time.
    =======

    **She'll also have to ward off the Democratic horde of possible Senate aspirants, including U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, former Chicago School Board President Gery Chico and state Sen. Barack Obama. Obama may be the most worrisome challenger. At 39, he's one of the most policy-minded members of the General Assembly. And the Harvard Law graduate can appeal to middle-class and young voters of all stripes.

    Despite the caveats, Moseley-Braun will get in this race. So forget she ever said "never." But the real test: Will her supporters do the same?



    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (1.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:17:28 AM EST
    Yes, that makes FrankRich right when he says that Obama did it right to his election.

    You are so dishonest as to make it pointless to discuss it with you.

    Rich got it wrong! Stop pretending he did not.

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#23)
    by archpundit on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:56:34 AM EST
    What did Rich get wrong exactly?  His argument is that because Obama has taken stronger stands than most Senate candidates, he's more likely to be bold. You might disagree with the interpretation, but there are no facts Rich got wrong.  I would suggest correcting your story.  That's a part of the blogging ethos and when you get facts wrong, you should correct it.  

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    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 07:02:39 AM EST
    And the winner is... The man from Illinois!

    Really Big Tent he beat you badly.

    In the meantime the public is wild about Obama and he just wild about them being wild about.

    But I do agree about Frank Rich.

    And the Left will never let a candidate that can win be nominated, so the Repubs can continue to ignore the real problems of the country.

    Re: Obama's Elixir Bewitches Rich (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 23, 2006 at 11:15:52 AM EST
    You will vote for him? Hah!

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