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More Evidence GOP In Trouble: Rove Blames Candidates

Greg Sargent continues reading the Rove tea leaves:

It looks like it may be time for pundits to drop the Karl Rove-is-supremely-confident-about-winning storyline -- because it's now pretty clear that Rove, for all his outward expressions of confidence, has also begun to lay the groundwork to spin his way out of blame and preserve his reputation should the GOP get shellacked next Tuesday.

Rove's emerging spin appears to be this: If the GOP loses, it's the candidates' fault, not mine.

Check out this passage at the end of today's Washington Post piece on Rove:

Associates say Rove is privately frustrated that individual candidates have not been more aggressive in drawing contrasts with Democrats on national security. In Buffalo, Rove dished out red meat with relish...

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    This is your big evidence? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Gabriel Malor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 02:51:08 PM EST
    Rove has been trying for months to encourage candidates to use Iraq to cast Democrats in a "cut and run" light. The fact that the Post got it from Rove's "associates" yesterday is hardly evidence of "[beginning] to lay the groundwork to spin his way out of blame."

    In fact, the article indicates as much (btw, neither you, nor Sargent actually link to the WaPo piece in question. It's here if you're interested):

    But there is little evidence that White House political efforts on Iraq have worked as Rove had hoped. Rove this summer signaled his desire that the war could be neutralized or even turned into an asset for Republican candidates who cast Democrats as defeatist.


    Snort (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:09:55 PM EST
    Whatever you say Gabriel.

    It is obvious the candidates are NOT going to embrace Iraq.

    And Rove is saying that is why they will lose.

    Good luck with your naivete.

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    ::Sigh:: (none / 0) (#5)
    by Gabriel Malor on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:28:51 PM EST
    I didn't say anything at all about whether Rove's strategy was good or bad, so I'm confused as to why you're accusing me of naivete on that point.

    I wrote to say that contra Sargent's (and your) assertion that Rove has "begun to lay the ground work to spin his way out of blame", Rove has actually been advocating the same strategy for months. The fact that you're just now hearing about his frustration hardly constitutes "More Evidence GOP In Trouble."

    What's more, contra your snort reply, Rove is not saying anything on this except that he's optimistic about the election. Unnamed "associates" have indicated that he's frustrated with the candidates--and, frankly, I'd be frustrated with their performance this season, too.

    Finally, it is possible both to be optimistic about the elections and frustrated with the candidates at the same time. I'd certainly be pissed off if I believed I had a better strategy than the one currently being followed.

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    Watch... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:06:28 PM EST
    ...for feints.

    Does fooling idiots make one a genius? (none / 0) (#4)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:18:12 PM EST
    One of my pet peeves is hearing of Rove's "genius". Once more, I assert that getting ignorant people to vote against their own economic interests by playing to their prejudices is hardly the mark of genius. Certainly, this has been going on as long as politics has existed. All one needs to do is lack any ethics, conscience, or anything that separates us from the reptile world to be effective at it. Even someone as demonstrably anti-intellectual as Nixon was a master of the tactic.

    Why haven't more Republican candidates been using Iraq to their advantage? Perhaps because even they don't think the voters are that dumb. But Rove feels differently, probably because of past voter performance, most recently 2004.

    After 6 years of taking it in the butt...maybe even red staters are catching a clue. Then again, maybe not.

    idiots and geniuses (none / 0) (#6)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 03:45:44 PM EST
    "In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."

    Duuuuuuuh.

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    No, Rover, it's all your, and your bosses', fault (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 04:18:56 PM EST
    In an extended article about Lima Company, a company of Marine Reservists from Ohio which took heavy casualties, the Washington Post writes about what happened after they came home.  Most poignant (to me, anyway) was the vignette about a young corporal, whose civilian job is in the Capitol, as a legislative assistant to a Republican congressman:

    One night at Shelly's Back Room in Washington, half a dozen lobbyists and Capitol Hill staffers pressed Cpl. Jason Dominguez to tell war stories over Scotch and cigars. Instead, Dominguez, a legislative aide to a Republican congressman, offered a parable.

    He recalled a political fundraiser three days after he returned from Iraq. As he studied contributors laughing and digging into the main course, he saw in his mind's eye a young American in uniform patrolling an Iraqi street, about to be blown to pieces. To the Ohio crowd, the dead Marine would be a news blip, barely noticed, quickly forgotten.

    With a tongue sharper than usual, Dominguez, 26, wanted his new Washington friends to see what he saw, the American cause for which 23 of his fellow volunteers gave their lives.

    "When I see things on the Hill, I think, 'This is all some big joke?' " he lectured. " 'This is a party?' This is not a party. It's a commitment. The men and women who died treated it that way. You need to treat it that way, too. If not, get out of our house, get out of our Congress."

    They listened. He wonders whether they heard.

    "There are times when I'm walking the halls of Congress and it would feel so good to strap on my body armor and be back in the fight," Dominguez said. "When I was there, I knew: This matters. We were able to bring them one step closer to what it means to not live under tyranny."

    About day-to-day political life, he is less sure.
    "Is this what my friends died for?" he finds himself asking on days when he feels alone in a crowd. "It's amazing how oblivious we are as Americans to how much all of this costs," he said.

    Yes, Corporal Dominguez, you got it.  Absolutely right.

    This is not a party. It's a commitment. The men and women who died treated it that way. You need to treat it that way, too. If not, get out of our house, get out of our Congress.

    And the men and women who, down through the generations, have died for the concepts and ideals that are America.  You know them.  They're the ones Repugs shat upon.

    Rover, you and your lackeys have been having entirely too good of a time*, laughing at the follies of people who actually take seriously the concepts of trust, loyalty, dedication, committment, duty, honor, and country (to name a few), all the while you and your lackeys played at your chicanery games to line your pockets and the pockets of your friends with blood money.  The bill for the good times is now overdue, and this is the beginning of what payment looks like.

    It'll get uglier for you.

    - -
      *Or, to quote a Michael J. Fox line from a movie in which he plays a young doctor:  "Too much fun, substance unknown."

    Support and lack of it (1.00 / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 06:00:50 PM EST
    scribe - The Repubs in question may be wrong. But what do you say about the Democrats who have questioned every strategy, condemned every plan and have whined about the need to cut and run??

    Do you respect our enemy enough to admit that he is not stupid?  That he is perfectly capable of understanding that if he can just help get Demos elected by making an extra effort to kill americans and Iraqi citizens he knows that the Demos will cut and run and provide an open path right onto our shores.

    Are you going to now tell me that you support the troops but not the war? Go ahead, scribe. A chuckle a day keeps the doctor away.

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    Jim does it again (1.00 / 0) (#13)
    by glanton on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 06:44:07 PM EST
    if he can just help get Demos elected by making an extra effort to kill americans and Iraqi citizens he knows that the Demos will cut and run and provide an open path right onto our shores.

    It really must be reiterated, every time this inane idea comes spewing forth, that if there were light to zero violence Jim and the others water carriers would be saying "see, the GOP is right!  If you elect Demos then the violence will uptick!"  In fact, they already say it, arguing that because no attack has happened on our shores since 9/11, we should all love Bush.

    So you see people, no matter what happens overseas no matter what happens here ,it all argues in favor of voting GOP.  How convenient for the Troglodytes.

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    Drive them out - says conservative Repub paper (none / 0) (#9)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 04:43:44 PM EST
    Here's a link to a post on Green Mountain Daily, a VT blog, which reproduces (with permission) the editorial from a conservative, rural Vermont Paper, the Herald of Randolph.

    The editorial's title?

    Drive them out

    What is a free and democratic people to do when their leaders prod them into an unprovoked and unnecessary war, spilling the blood of their sons and daughters in a desolate land in pursuit of vain and foolish ends?

    What is such a people to do when they hear their treasured democratic heritage mocked throughout the world and savaged at home by a government that knows neither truth nor honor?

    There remains but one recourse for a people burdened with such leaders, and that is to rise in wrath and drive them out.
    Drive them out of their marbled offices. Drive them from the reins of power. Drive them out.

    Exactly that is the task before the American people in the election of 2006-to exact retribution, simply by casting their ballots to replace Republicans with Democrats in the halls and councils of Washington. Have no doubt about it: This is an historic choice, a choice whether an all-Republican government-House, Senate and Presidency--will be permitted to continue to run roughshod over the nation's well-being and good name, or whether it will be called to account.

    At this writing, replacing the Republican majority in the House of Representatives appears likely; a change in the Senate leadership appears possible. Changing both must be the goal.
     

    The editorial goes on to say that, it matters not how good the Republican candidates are, nor how bad the Democrats, but rather that the Republicans would wind up voting for the same leadership.  That which must be driven out.  So, the Democrats must be elected.

    Would that more people wrote this, said this, shouted this.

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    Incredible. Pure genius. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 04:23:48 PM EST
    So Rove's highest priority is himself, and covering his his a$$.

    And while he's at it, his gop supporters still think what a wonderful guy he is.

    Incredible. Pure genius. ::Sigh::

    "Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. "We will f*ck him. Do you hear me? We will f*ck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever f*cked him!" As a reporter, you get around--curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events--but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. "Come on in." And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour."
    --Why Are These Men Laughing?

    "Beat me, whip me, but tell me you love me!"
    -- Anonymous

    No wonder he treats them like suckers.

    why are these men laughing? (none / 0) (#10)
    by cpinva on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 04:50:44 PM EST
    because they know that, ultimately, whatever happens, it will have no effect on them and their loved ones. not iraq, the economy, healthcare, etc. their families are not at risk.

    these are people, for the most part, completely untroubled by the deaths and maiming in iraq & afghanistan, resulting from their leader's policies and their votes. no draft will claim a son or daughter of theirs, no mourning in their future, for a life cut short.

    they worry not about the economy, remarkably unfettered by fears of not being able to support their families, or provide medical care, should it be needed. they are the protected class.

    they are completely detached from the reality the rest of us know.

    with luck, part of that reality will come crashing down on them nov. 7. perhaps rove will be washed away with that tide as well.

    Washed away with that tide? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 04:58:20 PM EST
    Well, their castles are made of sand.

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