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Pastor Accuser's Polygraph Shows "Some Deception"

Could Mike Jones be lying about some or all of his accusations against Pastor Ted Haggard?

Mike Jones took a polygraph examination, and was asked about his claim of a sexual relationship with Haggard. The polygraph examination showed "some deception." However, the person who administered the test said on Denver radio station KHOW that the results could be skewed by Jones's "mental and physical exhaustion."

I am not a supporter of the accuracy of polygraphs. They are junk science in my opinion. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Jones fabricated or embellished some of his story.

The meth allegations make more sense to me than the sex allegations, but we'll see what develops.

As to the questions Jones failed:

The polygraph examiner said the questions he failed were: Did you lie when you said you had a sexual relationship with Ted Haggard? Did you lie when you said you had a sexual affair with Ted Haggard over a period of three years?

Update: Jones wasn't polygraphed on the meth allegations. But now, he's saying:

Jones said he never got drugs for Haggard, but said he knew people who could get drugs. Jones said Haggard liked the drug because it "enhanced" the sexual experience.

Still no word on what indiscretions Haggard has admitted to. Here's Jones in his own words describing their trysts.

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    Haggard, and haggard polygraph witnesses. (none / 0) (#1)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 12:24:07 PM EST
    (Sorry.  Couldn't resist the urge to pun.)
    No quibble on the polygraph junk science issue.

    But seriously, Haggard wouldn't have resigned and all if there was not some truth to the allegations.  He could have stuck it out and said "not true" and, if there was no truth, you can be sure the media would have winkled that out.

    As I've seen somewhere else, the allegations about Haggard are, in the evangelical/christianist community, comparably the equivalent of finding it's Jesse Jackson under a hood at a KKK cross-burning....  

    Apparently... (none / 0) (#2)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 12:26:12 PM EST
    ...the Stars do not Align.

    Even NPR is bcking away from Jones, as per their AM broadcast today...

    Well... now Pastor admits buying meth, on video (none / 0) (#3)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 01:40:53 PM EST
    Haggard admits buying meth, on video.

    Here's the link to a 2:35 video from Channel 9, Denver, showing him and his wife stopping to talk to a reporter "on their way to an appointment."  (don't worry about the poor quality, it gets better about 20 or 30 seconds in).

    Today's story from Pastor Haggard:

    "We're glad today to see he failed the polygraph."

    "I did not have sex with him.

    re the voice mails:
      "I did call him.

    Why?
      "To buy meth.

    What did you do with the meth?
      "I threw it away;  I only had it a short time.  I had it but I didn't use it.  I only bought it once.  I was tempted.

    Did you ever use meth?
      "No.

    How did you come to know him?
      "I went to him for a massage.

    How did you get referred to him?
      "By the hotel in Denver where I was staying.

    This guy has that smarmy smile and manner which just makes my skin crawl.  I don't believe his denials.  Wife's got the stone mask expression on - I don't think she believes his denials, either.


    sorry, polygraphs are as reliable................. (none / 0) (#4)
    by cpinva on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 01:49:01 PM EST
    as tea leaves, or darts. that doesn't mean the guy isn't lying, just that a polygraph is no proof, of anything.

    i'm with scribe, had haggard not done something, of a sexual nature, he wouldn't have resigned. if, as he claims, he only bought crystal from jones, just the once, and didn't use it, why resign?

    of course, this raises the interesting question: what on earth prompted him, out of the blue, to buy crystal meth from this guy? what, he woke up one morning and decided that was going to be the day he descended into hell?

    sorry, i just don't buy into that at all. you don't just "decide" to try a fairly hard and dangerous drug, out of the blue.

    Prostate Massage (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 01:59:25 PM EST
    My guess is that he went to a gay escort/masseuse only for a massage and got a friend with benefits.  

    How terribly sad is it that this father of 5 and husband, and leader of 30 million evangelicals had to come out this way.  

    I think polygraphs are useless and wonder why they are inadmissable, yet so relied upon.  I think muscle man slipped the reverend some wood, on a regular basis.  I find it odd that he would find a masseuse that would provide him drugs and that there was nothing sexual happening.  

    Nothing wrong with being gay, but there is a lot wrong psychologically and morally to put your family in this situation.

    Hey, he should not worry, Jimmy Swaggart still pulls in a million a year or so with no taxation so there is light at the end of the tunnel financially.  His family will need lots of counseling and that costs some bones.

    he didn't inhale (none / 0) (#6)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 02:02:56 PM EST
    He bought the drugs because he was curious...but he didn't use them. If his followers buy that story then you gotta wonder just how gullible even ignorant superstitious people are. Wait, these are people that vote Republican...never mind.

    Don't ever let me hear a right winger talk about Clinton's self-described marijuana experience again.

    He's not a Republican (none / 0) (#12)
    by ding7777 on Sat Nov 04, 2006 at 10:04:40 AM EST
    The right-wingers are back-peddling to the point that Haggard is a liberal because he supported global warming

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    It's not masseuse, folks (none / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 02:08:23 PM EST
    Unless you're making a gay=feminine argument.

    When the person doing the massage is male, it's "masseur";  female, it's "masseuse".

    Even I, someone whose French is so limited it's only able to get a glass of wine and trouble, know that....

    "I bought it but I didn't use it."  That might be worse than "I didn't inhale";  it is a crime to buy meth in Colo., right, TL?

    Thanks Scribe (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 02:14:17 PM EST
    Guess I have only been to masseuse, not masseur.  Moi Francais un peux.

    curiouser isn't strong enough (none / 0) (#9)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 03:57:34 PM EST
      A masseur with an attorney who advises  him on the ins and outs of outing.

      A minister who says he was curious about meth looked like  so rather than ask the local police DARE unit to give a presentation at the church buys it illegally to satisfy his curiousity but also admits he was "tempted."

      The minister then basically concedes without hardly a whimper resigning one position and taking a leave of absence form the other just as serious questions about the accusers credibility inevitably surface.

      It seems to then to turn into a situation where the pastoe is admitting buying drugs from the masseur abit the masseur says he only knew people who could get them.

      I have little doubt they are both lying to some greater or lesser degree.

      Masseur will get his 15 minutes of fame and maybe a little pocket money.

      Minister will wait a respectful period then write a bestseller and embark on a public engagement tour   chronicling his descent into the the clutches of demon meth and how his faith in Jesus allowed him to escape the clutches of Satan  emerge stronger and more devout than ever (while of course continuing to deny the gay sex-- that doesn't sell).

    Jim Bakker (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:09:52 PM EST
    Really, how did the straight sex thing work out for him?  Jimmy Swaggart is still preaching on the telly and ripping off old women, but has no where near the following he once had.

    How many books did Rev Jackson sell after his affair?

    How many books did Benny Hinn sell after his Jew remarks?  Oh wait, Benny is a still worth 200 million.  Good thing Benny is not a muslim.

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    re the truth and who is lying (none / 0) (#11)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Fri Nov 03, 2006 at 04:36:14 PM EST
    I could hazard a guess as to what happened.

    Haggard could easily have decided to see a massage practitioner without any specific intent for there to be sex.  Then, during the massage, he became aroused or the practitioner helped him to become aroused and Haggard didn't object.  And, this led to the massage practitioner including the genitals of Haggard.  Different massages probably had different degrees of sexual contact.  If Haggard wasn't stimulating the practitioner, Haggard wouldn't have regarded his own conduct as sex, even if the massage practitioner at times had done oral sex on Haggard.

    Over time, Haggard knew that the encounters were resulting in sexual stimulation for him, and to promote that, asked about, obtained and used the crystal meth.

    This scenario explains all the evidence: Haggart's part denials and part admissions, and the fact that Jones fails some questions on the polygraph.

    For what it matters, some of this scenario has happened to me, but, I don't use drugs, I like "girls" and I don't seek out men for sex or go to male massage practitioners when I am looking for a "fun" massage as opposed to getting better from some injury.  It doesn't take much for the massage to begin to include sexual conduct--just an erection and the one who has it not saying "no" when hands touch privates.