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Morning After Prediction and Credits

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2006
Posted on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:46:46 AM EST
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I didn't give predictions before last night, but I'm willing to now. The Dems will take Montana and Virginia, and, who knew, the Senate.

Howard Dean gets a huge amount of credit for redirecting Democrats to a strategy that focused on every state, rather than a few key races.

Loser tonight: Karl Rove, the radical right and Republicans. I couldn't be more pleased.

Memo to John McCain: You are not the answer. 2008 is not your year. You're too late.

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    Congratulations (1.00 / 0) (#1)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:49:32 AM EST
    Well, congratulations my friendly enemies.

    I reminded of '74. I just hope your heroes and heroines  don't repeat the mistakes of the Ford and Carter years.

    Hopefully they won't. Anyway they can't overcome a veto in the House, and no one knows if the Senate will turn.

    It will be interesting to see if they are really interested in national health care, gay rights, womens rights... tax reform and drug law reform.

    After all, their excuse until now is that they couldn't get a bill introduced. That's over.

    Note that I left out national defense because I remained convinced that the Left doesn't have a clue, and that our enemies will take full advantage of that.

    In the meantime, remember that old saying:

    "Success is getting what you want
    Happiness is wanting what you get."

    And here is a prayer for some good luck and common sense on both sides.

    And thanks for electing President McCain and VP Rudy.

    Old sayings (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:10:23 AM EST
    Success is getting what you want
    Happiness is wanting what you get.

    Looks like you got neither. What does it make you? Ahhhh..... never mind.....

    John 'we don't torture' Mcain. Heh! Dream on. ;-)

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    Expected (1.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:29:13 AM EST
    Your grace under winning is totally expected, dear edger.

    Act like you have experienced success before.

    If you can.

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    You gotta be joking (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by scarshapedstar on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:35:18 AM EST
    Jim, kindly STFU. Do you think we've forgotten that full-on endzone dance from 2004? I don't even know where to begin.

    Anyway. I've been waiting four years to say this: the American people hate you and reject your values, so shut up until you guys start winning elections. :)

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    Let's count (none / 0) (#33)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:59:51 AM EST
    I left out national defense because I remained convinced that the Left doesn't have a clue,

    Kerry, Murtha, and Webb are decorated combat veterans.

    How many decorated combat veterans are Republican politicians?  McCain?  (Boy, is he ever getting pathetic.  Did you see him last night on Larry King, stumbling thrugh an explanation of why the GOP lost HUUUUGE.)

    Of the dozen or so Iraq vets who ran for national office this year (and I haven't counted how many won, although Duckworth lost) how many ran as Republicans?

    Why are combat veterans who seek national office overwhelmingly Democrats?

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    Glad to known (1.00 / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:20:54 AM EST
    RePack - Glad to know that you think that it is necessary for someone to have had military experience to be a leader of the country... I guess you have disavowed Clinton and will demand that Reid resign from the Senate, and of course Nancy P can't be majority leader.

    Your double standards are so transparent you could use them for glass.

    And I won't mention the ethics scandal surrounding Murtha or the insults Kerry started tossing at the military in 70 (71?) and has continued ever since.

    Webb seems like a straight shooter, I know nothing about him.

    There was another Kerry that had this to say about a Leftie icon..... "....he's a liar. A very good liar.."

    So spare us the snears and snarls, Repack your side has won. The question is, can you deliver??

    Why? Because you promised. And yet last night Howard Dean on CNN was saying how it was only the President would could change things in Iraq.

    That double dip might have worked 30 years ago, but not in todays Internet and cable news world.

    As the English Highwaymen were known to say:

    "Stand and deliver!" dear Lefties. Stand and deliver!

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    The dangling point.... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:46:39 AM EST
    People have known for thousands of years the story of The Sword of Damocles. We all know it dangles.

    The difference here is that nobody is interested in changing places with the "king".

    They're more interested in eliminating the position of "king".

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    Friendly enemy? (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:27:47 PM EST
    I prefer "adversarial friend" Jim ol' buddy...

    We will see if a Dem senate will be the disaster you predict on defense...I say they are in the same defense contractor pockets as the Repubs, just to a lesser extent...the defense lobbyists will work overtime writing checks and it will be business as usual...no worries pal.

    I too hope to see a rise in social liberal policy...if they fail now it's all on the DNC.

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    Experience (1.00 / 0) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:29:47 PM EST
    Experience, Walter. Experience.

    Plus what Dean said last night.

    An ugly thought (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:51:34 AM EST
    If Webb and Tester are both confirmed, do we not end up with "joedick the decider"?

    Arithmetic (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 06:56:43 AM EST
    It's early, am I adding wrong?

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    Figure Snowe and Collins don't toe the party line (none / 0) (#25)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:11:49 AM EST
    I suspect we will get some help from Maine. Collins and Snowe have no reason to toe the party line. Rove and Bush can't help them and in fact would hurt them.

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    This is a good day! (none / 0) (#5)
    by caramel on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:14:57 AM EST
    If some are not smiling today in America, many around the world are smiling, even laughing too but wondering if America has woken up for real and for how long... Let's not forget that lately the only strong opposition to the Republicans ludicrous decisions came from inside the Republican party. Maybe the Democrats will stop ignoring important issues and finally get their act together. The world is definitely watching and hoping. But still it's a good day and it could get even better if the Senate...

    So, who cares? (1.00 / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:32:22 AM EST
    carmel - The US is not governed by the world. The world doesn't defend us, doesn't pay our taxes or support our culture.

    So tell me. Why should we give a flip about the world??

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    Why? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:37:11 AM EST
    JimakaPPJ:
    Why should we give a flip about the world??

    Perhaps you can tell us, Jim?

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    xx (1.00 / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:45:23 AM EST
    Typical of your responses edger. You never have an answer, just a question.

    Enjoy the moment. They are fleeting.

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    Another example (none / 0) (#26)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:12:58 AM EST
    of why the GOP doesn't have a clue about national security.

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    Sublime (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:09:31 PM EST
    I've been meaning to say thIS for awhile Molly...great closing quote...40 oz. to Freedom baby!

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    As I was walking round Grosvenor Square (none / 0) (#70)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 04:15:27 PM EST
    Not a chill to the winter but a nip to the air
    From the other direction she was calling my eye (note 1)
    It could be an illusion, but I might as well try
    Might as well try

    Hunter/Garcia



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    Why should we give a flip about anything? (none / 0) (#29)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:31:09 AM EST
    Jim,
    I understand you're a bit cranky today, I've been there.  But we exist on a planet getting smaller by the second, with hordes of other people, many of whom are directly or indirectly affected by our actions, good and bad.  Considering their existence, the effects of our policies on them, their opinions, respecting them, is what parents teach their children.  Does some of the rest of the world NOT deserve that respect?  Sure.  But the vast majority does deserve our consideration and respect and it is from this that our position of influence rises or falls.

    Telling the world you don't give a flip about them is pretty much the attitude of Kim Jong Il.  I don't think we should be emulating him.  

    That said, even I can't be certain what these results mean since our elctoral system is so insecure and riddled with shameful weaknesses.  Which is why, even if I'm encouraged by the "result", we need to do a lot more work making this system more secure and credible with the voters.

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    so shall ye reap (1.00 / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:36:58 AM EST
    Dadler - Cranky? Nope. Disgusted? Yes. The Demos have a terrible record on national defense, and since the anti-war Left will claim they are responsible for the victory, it will get worse.

    As for the rest of the world, I merely ask why we should pay them any attention. Europe is fast becoming a caliphate, Russia might fight and the middle east is uniformly lost beyond the enclave of Israel. Japan will stand beside us, but only because it is smart enough to insist that its culture norms and values must be followed. Australia also is showing some signs of common sense.

    Countries are about cultures, dear Dadler. That you don't like ours is well stated and understood. In the meantime Moslem cab drivers in Minneapolis refuse to carry passengers who have alcohol, and the airport authority has let them get away with it, even though by law they can't refuse as they are licensed common carriers.

    We are sowing huge problems when we do things like this. And so shall ye reap.


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    Reaping what we sow (none / 0) (#41)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:16:34 AM EST
    Jim, this country is not a monolith.  It is not one thing to all people.  I love my country.  I want to make it better.  I think you, in your own way, do too.  We disagree on what makes it better, how to go about it, we disagree on much.  Radically.  But neither of us can claim to love or hate some fixed thing that does not exist.  America is many things to many people and is always in flux.  Freedom does that.    

    That said, I can only ask again: if letting a muslim cab driver not drive someone with alcohol is dangerous, what on earth is Iraq?  We are reaping every day the ill seeds sown there.  And your failure to even acknowledge the inarguable reality of it simply defies logic.  We went into a country for no good reason with no good plan for what to do once we got there -- and with a mighty amount of deluded ignorance about the place and our own abilities.  That is beyond a fool's errand.  And any self-critical American should be able to see it for what it is.  No one is clean on this issue, it's our country, all of ours, and we all have this war on OUR watch.    

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    As compared to what? (none / 0) (#50)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 01:41:26 PM EST
    The Demos have a terrible record on national defense
    As compared to what?

    Lets see Dems did not:

    1. Let OBL get away when cornered at Tora Bora by outsourcing to the Pakistanis
    2. Hype a virtually non-existent threat of WMD as a reason to invade Iraq
    3.Invade Iraq without a plan to win the peace
    1. Hire Don Rumsfeld to do anything
    2. Ignore warnings of an imminent attack by Al Qaida
    3. Stretch our military to the breaking point in a pointless war in Iraq? (its really unfair how much mileage Dems can get out the Bush/GOP fiasco known as Iraq)
    4. Let the Taliban regroup in Afghanistan
    5. Let Kim Jong Il get Nukes

    That's just some of the last 6 years. We can go all the way back to Vietnam, Bay of Pigs,  and WWII if need be. And yes the GOP bears some responsibility for Vietnam and the Bay of Pigs.

    If anything, the GOP candidate will have to prove they aren't stupid on questions of national security before anyone elects them to the presidencey again.

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    answer (1.00 / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:09:45 PM EST
    And your answer is to cut and run??

    What a deal.

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    Same as General Odom (none / 0) (#68)
    by theologicus on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:29:20 PM EST
    [You can google it.]

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    What's your answer to stay and die (none / 0) (#72)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 04:24:52 PM EST
    for a lie?

    Try speaking normally and not in stupid bumper sticker soundbites. In case you didn't notice, the GOP got their collective butts spanked because people are tired of that nonsense. Instead of repeating GOP talking points do some research on what Democrats have said. Take a look at the Galbreath plan, also endorsed by Dean, Biden and many other Democrats.

    Unless you intend to occupy Iraq permanetly and make it the 51st state, we are going to leave. This fiasco is not going to get better. The only questions are how, when and under what circumstances.

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    MPLS (none / 0) (#59)
    by Peaches on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:06:40 PM EST
    Countries are about cultures, dear Dadler. That you don't like ours is well stated and understood. In the meantime Moslem cab drivers in Minneapolis refuse to carry passengers who have alcohol, and the airport authority has let them get away with it, even though by law they can't refuse as they are licensed common carriers.

    Also in MPLS, Jim, a Conservative Christian Metro Transit Bus Driver refused to drive a bus with an Ad for a Gay/Lesbian Magazine and the Metropolitan Transit Authority has accomadated the Driver's refusal by assigning him to another bus without the ad. Freedom cuts both ways.

    But, Hey, We (mpls) elected Keith Ellison, the first Muslem, to the house of Representative. Keith is a beacon of hope. If you don't know him yet, you will hear of him soon.

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    xx (1.00 / 0) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:12:42 PM EST
    Peaches - So you are now reduced to claiming that two wrongs make both right??

    I thought better of your abilities than that. But I was wrong.

    As for the CAIR rep, yes we will. I'm sure there will be major suck up going on.

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    Powerline (none / 0) (#67)
    by Peaches on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:28:48 PM EST
    Spoken like a true Powerline reader. You have been paying attention to our local politics here.

    I know you will have nothing but negative things to say about him but I can judge his effectiveness based on how often you bring him up with CAIR, Muslems and Terrorists over the next few years. Thats One.

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    Deficits and debts (none / 0) (#57)
    by Peaches on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:45:43 PM EST
    Actually, the world is paying our way Jim. You might want to think a little harder about that.

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    xx (1.00 / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:13:38 PM EST
    If the world can find a better deal they will take it. We both know that, or at least I do.

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    Aren't you??? (1.00 / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:14:59 PM EST
    I mean you don't really believe people invest based on love do you? You are an economist, aren't you?

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    Love and Money (none / 0) (#69)
    by Peaches on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:38:20 PM EST
    Pay attention, Jim. Stay alive a few more years and pay attention to your money, your gates and your walls. They will crumble before your eyes.

    People invest based on faith. Sometimes love and faith go hand in hand in a obscene kind a way. I mean, people can confuse faith with love. but, that's beside the point. We were a good investment in the past, but we won't be in the future. It is only faith sustaining us for now. That, and the world has yet to find another viable alternative. But they are looking. See Venezuala and their influence in Central America and around the world. A country with oil to ship suddenly has more economic influence than the country with the financial markets. Nicaragua made an economic decision with Ortega as much as they made a political decision. The same hold true in the UN with Guatamala not getting the seat onthe security council. Venezaula actually faught the US to a draw. They had countries weigh the good of trade with oil and trade period and many came to the economic decision that trade with the US didn't mean that much.

    The end is near.

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    amen peaches (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 05:45:14 PM EST
    very well said friend.

    We don't make anything worth trading for either.  Used to...not no more.

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    Not over till its over (none / 0) (#6)
    by Carolyn in Baltimore on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:22:46 AM EST
    Unfortunately Karl Rove's history shows he redoubles his fight in close races after the votes are counted - Gore 2000, Hooper 1994. Expect a nasty fight for Montana and Virginia and some lawsuits to delay the end. We should declare victory NOW so at least he has a n uphill fight.
    They will also pressure Lieberman - we already lost him on issues but if they can get him to caucus with them......  It is time to go to moderate repub Senators and ask them to switch parties - they are only safe for 2-4 years and could do the country alot of good.
    But really - they won't give up without a big fight. Be prepared.

    Point that can't be missed (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:37:03 AM EST
    One of the most telling things about this, which is a point even Bush should be unable to miss, is that there was not a single House, Senate or governor's race in which a Republican ousted a Democrat..

    Congratulations Nancy!!! (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:47:15 AM EST
    Happy Cat! ;-)

    Montana? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:48:10 AM EST
    I don't think Tester won. Looks like we have a split with Dick becoming the tie breaker, that is if Joe Blabberman does not do it for him which I assume he will.

    Grow up. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Alan on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:53:18 AM EST
    my friendly enemies?
    what does that make you?
    "joedick"?

    I hope for an improvement in our country's governance as a result of last night's elections.
    I also hope that our newly elected leader show more maturity than is demonstrated here on this blog.

    Vindictive (1.00 / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:40:25 AM EST
    It makes me a person who calmly and politely offerred you congratulations, to which you responded:

    "joedick"

    What does that make you? A person who is incapable of accepting a compliment. A person who evidently has never won before and doesn't know how.

    Can you say a person who is vindictive?

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    Nothing new. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:43:40 AM EST
    Now you're trolling, putting words in my mouth, and making misleading claims.

    Nothing new.

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    Hope... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:32:09 AM EST
    I hope for an improvement in our country's governance as a result of last night's elections.

    So do I, Alan. Very much so. You know this, I think, if you've read other comments of mine before today. I also don't equate humorlessness with maturity. One without the other is impossible, in my view.

    I hope Nancy Pelosi has a wonderful and boundless sense of humor, and great maturity. And has both in much larger quantities than the governance of the past six years.

    "joedick" = Joe Lieberman + Dick Cheney. We need Tester & Webb more than either Joe or Dick.

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    Ooops. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:53:48 AM EST
    Sorry, Alan! I misread your comment.

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    Why Brag? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:56:42 AM EST
    I mean the demos beat Mark Foley by a whopping 4,000 votes.  Funny, the republican voters LOVE sex offender registration yet more than 110,000 voted for a man who was sending sexually overtoned messages to 16 year olds.  I am curious, what television station covered that?
    Hooray, we beat a guy by 4000 votes who was forced to resign and accused of being a sexual predator!

    dishonest statements (1.00 / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:42:08 AM EST
    JL... Come on, you won, so there is no need to make dishonest statements. You have to know that the new man was running under Foley's name because the ballot could not be changed.

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    Huh?? (1.00 / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:43:58 AM EST
    You also elected a guy who admitted to having sex with a 17 year old page... re-elected him 6 times.

    What does that say about your complaint about Foley??

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    Because I do not believe for a minute (none / 0) (#27)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:18:50 AM EST
    That most republican voters know the name of the person who ran in his place.  You didn't even cite his name which tells me that Mr. Negron did not receive the bulk of the votes in foley's name.  MY guess is most simply had no clue.

    So I apologize for having fun at the repubs expense by being misleading.

    Let me put it this way.  Can i see a show of floridian hands who can name the person who took Mark Foleys place?  And why he did so?

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    You don't knnow (1.00 / 0) (#37)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:39:38 AM EST
    So your complaint is about something you believe, but do not know.

    What else do you complain about that you don't know?

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    Razor thin (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:46:07 AM EST
    Yeah J...razor thin margins in all but a handful of races. Not exactly a tidal wave of awakening.

     

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    xx (1.00 / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:40:28 AM EST
    ah.... Glad to see you were paying attention.

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    Complain (none / 0) (#51)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:23:51 PM EST
    Lots of things I guess Jim.  Like the fact that the party of values and ethics leads by way of indictment and scandals, which of course I said 4 years ago.

    In biblical terms, that makes me a Prophet.  Under biblical standards, I rank higher than you.  So, according to god, I the Prophet can complain about the idiocy of the republican party.  I am so ordained.

    Many of the seats won by dems will be ceded in 2 years.  Can anyone say "Rostenkowski"?

    If anything, these elections got us the resignation of the highly incompetent Rumsfeld and that is worth it in and of itself.

    Please refer to me as Reverend Jlvngstn henceforth as you are merely a parishioner and I am the great prophet Jesuslvngstn

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    One question though... (none / 0) (#12)
    by caramel on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 07:58:42 AM EST
    I wonder if this is not a gift for the Republicans after all. Since they can't get out of the current mess, isn't it easier to let the Dems handle it (or mess it up even more) and blame them for it, just in time for the next presidential election? Politics are always about strategy, long term strategy for power. What's a partial loss today if the gain is bigger tomorrow?

    Voting Machines (none / 0) (#15)
    by theologicus on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 08:31:21 AM EST
    I'm happy with the outcome of the elections, and relieved that the voting machines do not seem to have been massively tampered with.  (Though there was nonetheless much voter intimidation and other related abuses, mostly from the anti-democratic Right, by which I mean not all conservatives, but only the most virulent among them, though heaven knows there are enough of those.)

    The evidence for tampering in recent elections has been enough to unsettle me, but I did not forrm a settled opinion.  (I've read enough Trollope to know that appearances can be deceiving, one of his great themes.)

    But I do hope we get rid of those infernal machines before 2008 and institute a system less vulnerable to abuse.

    The scary thing (none / 0) (#34)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:14:59 AM EST
    Is that even if the machines were tampered with, the chances are great there would be no evidence of that tampering.  No way to ever know.  That's really the point with this technology.  

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    Abuses might determine Senate (none / 0) (#28)
    by theologicus on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:20:46 AM EST
    From today's Democracy Now (democracynow.org)

    Voting Problems Include Long Lines, Intimidation Reports

    With around eighty percent of the electorate casting at least one vote electronically, voting problems were reported in scores of districts across the country.

    In Denver, hundreds of people were forced to wait long past the 7 p.m. voting deadline.

    Voting hours were extended in eight states.

    Hundreds of precincts in Florida, Indiana and Ohio turned to paper ballots amid problems with electronic voting machines.

    The Electronic Frontier Foundation reported dozens of complaints that touch-screen machines recorded votes for the wrong candidates.

    There were also scattered reports of voter intimidation.

    In Virginia, voters reported receiving telephone calls telling them to stay home or face criminal charges.

    In Arizona, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund reported Latino voters were stopped and questioned by three armed men outside a precinct in Tucson.

    In Montana, the Democratic challenger Jon Tester is leading incumbent Conrad Burns by around 1,700 votes. Election officials in Yellowstone County said voting machine problems were delaying further results until later today.
    Voter intimidation in VA (none / 0) (#30)
    by theologicus on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:37:31 AM EST
    In VA, FBI Probing Voter Intimidation in Dem Areas
    By Justin Rood
    TPM Muckraker (tpmmuckraker.com)
    November 7, 2006

    The FBI is looking into possible voter intimidation in Virginia's hard-fought U.S. Senate contest between Republican incumbent George Allen and Democrat Jim Webb," reports the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

    The intimidation -- including threats of arrest -- appeared to be concentrated in heavily Democratic areas. MSNBC has more, available at ThinkProgress.
    Reason (none / 0) (#31)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 09:44:03 AM EST
    Why should we give a flip about the world??

    Reason number 1 why your party lost. Arrogant conceit.

    xx (1.00 / 0) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 10:41:54 AM EST
    See kdog.

    The Repubs lost because they didn't turn out their base.

    It is really that simple.

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    It is simple... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kittenator on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:23:30 PM EST
    The Republican base voted with their feet.

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    92 (1.00 / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:33:16 PM EST
    Same thing happened in '92. They punished the party who might pay some attention to them by electing a party that will pay none.

    Go figure.

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    It makes sense... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kittenator on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 04:39:28 PM EST
    It makes sense if they saw their choices as bad and worse.  They should punish them if they feel they are doing a bad job!  Thus voting for them seems a reward for bad behaviour, and voting for the opposite party is rarely appealing.

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    I think (none / 0) (#42)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:19:41 AM EST
    their base turned THEM out.

    but, but, but.... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:25:20 AM EST
    their 'base' consist of such enormous numbers that if they'all turned out the results would have been....uhhhhh.... well.....

    never mind.

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    The Base? (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:19:40 PM EST
    The base was in the middle of a meth/hooker binge.

    Couldn't resist!

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    The Base... (none / 0) (#74)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 04:44:13 PM EST
    Har!...  beat me to it.

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    Well (none / 0) (#45)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 11:56:47 AM EST
    that's that. I don't foresee a Rep win in MT nor VA.

    Congrats to the Dems. May you prove all the Rep criticisms of your positions wrong.

    re: Well (none / 0) (#46)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:14:17 PM EST
    Nicely put, Sarc. :-)

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    They are making lots of promises (none / 0) (#52)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:28:42 PM EST
    Can we record them here and grade them in 2 years?

    No excuses other than vetos now.  They have control they should give us:  

    Healthcare for all americans
    Energy independence
    economic prosperity
    education excellence
    Retirement security
    Real Security for americans (does this mean they will secure our ports?)
    Honest, transparent gov't (lol)
    How about a tax code that is not 26,000 pages?

    No excuses dems.  Stand up and deliver.  The clock is running.

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    I'd like to know too... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kittenator on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 12:18:51 PM EST
    However, the lack of a response here speaks volumes.

    Patience (1.00 / 0) (#55)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:31:00 PM EST
    Patience is a virture.

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    I won't hold my breath... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kittenator on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 04:24:36 PM EST
    Good advice indeed.  Notice I am refraining from an Ad Hominem attack.

    It just seems that from such strong words there is an acutal base of reasoning to be readily accessed.     I could be wrong of course. shrug

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    where to find the promises (none / 0) (#54)
    by Jlvngstn on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:30:44 PM EST
    Dem Promises for 2006  -  Can we have a site or a sidebar where we can track their progress on these initiatives?

    Dang, I missed all the fun (none / 0) (#58)
    by Patrick on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 02:59:19 PM EST
    I had court this morning..Evil weed case ;-)

    Congrats on the victory.  I'm a firm supporter of fight like hell for your position, but once the decision is made, get in line.  And I will.  I hope the Dems make the country stronger, smarter and safer.  There's work to be done!  Get to it.  

    There sure is.... (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 08, 2006 at 03:21:17 PM EST
    work to be done.  Stop wasting a good cop like Patrick's time on "evil weed" cases!

    I won't hold my breath.

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