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Florida Execution Lasts 34 Minutes

Absolutely disgusting.

Angel Nieves Diaz, 55, was pronounced dead at 6:36 p.m., despite his protests of innocence and requests for clemency made by the governor of his native Puerto Rico. He appeared to move for 24 minutes after the first injection. His eyes were open, his mouth opened and closed and his chest rose and fell. He was pronounced dead 10 minutes after his last movement.

Reaction from Florida Department of Corrections spokeswoman Gretl Plessinger:

"It was not unanticipated. The metabolism of the drugs to the liver is slowed," Plessinger said.

Not only was the execution botched, it was barbaric. As are they all.

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    Have you adopted yet? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Dadler on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 10:59:56 AM EST
    Why is the right so concerned with everything BUT what happens to unwanted children after they're born?  

    The fetus is King, the unwanted child is a bastard nobody gives a sh*t about.

    If you want the government to physically force all pregnant women to give birth against their will, just say so, because that's what you're really advocating.  And if you think that's socially tenable, then you should also believe it possible for the government to physically force those same women to divulge whom they've had sex with so the father can be held accountable and forced to participate.

    I don't like abortion, nobody likes it, but the alternative is a kind of government tyranny in the womb and bedroom that is not acceptable, unless you want to be more like China in this respect.  Forcing women to abort and forcing them to give birth are different things with one powerful thing in common -- government force exerted in the deepest of personal matters.
     

    What I'm fighting for is..... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 06:07:03 PM EST
    freedom my brother.  For you and me.

    Not fighting for abortion, not fighting for murderers....fighting for freedom.

    Dadler is right...admit you want to physically force women to give birth. Chain them to a gurney if necessary, right?  

    And back on topic, admit that you think that juries, judges, and courts never make mistakes and never convict innocent men and never sentence innocent men to death.  Admit that you think that this is an impossiblity.

    I can't...which is why I don't support the death penalty.  The execution of one innocent man is an unacceptable possibility.  Life without parole is sufficient punishment for the most heinous crimes, and allows the possibility of an innocent man winning an appeal.  

    Can you dig it?  Freedom  It's supposed to be something liberal and conservative and 'insert label here' Americans can agree on.  

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    elegantly stated kdog (none / 0) (#36)
    by squeaky on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 06:24:10 PM EST
    Can you dig it?  Freedom  It's supposed to be something liberal and conservative and 'insert label here' Americans can agree on.  

    Great litmus test.

    Freedom is the bond that ties us. All those that are against freedom should leave to make room for those of us who truly embrace this ideal.

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    hey, i'm with ya buddy! (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by cpinva on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 03:39:11 PM EST
    they should have garroted him, right after sentencing. quick, clean, done. and if it turns out he was innocent, who cares? hell, he was probably a scumbag anyway.

    actually, you should have done the honors, in public. why should only a select few have all the fun?

    btw, there is no scientific consensus as to when a foetus is able to feel pain, in spite of the propaganda to the contrary. none, nada, zilch.

    actually, i submit most liberals would prefer there be no need for abortion, that education, and readily available contraceptives made it a not-fondly remembered medical procedure. except, of course, people like yourself want no education or contraceptives, cause god intended women to get preggers, regardless of how.

    hey, have a great day, o enlightened one! :)

    that would kill abortion (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Jen M on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 04:40:10 PM EST
    They dont want to END abortions. They have no intention of doing THAT.

    They want to illegalize abortions.

    Everyone knows how to kill abortion, but the conservatives are dead set against it.

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    In animals (none / 0) (#1)
    by Jen M on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 05:32:56 AM EST
    It takes seconds.

    I should know, I have euthanized enough animals to know. I feel I've botched the job if it takes longer than 30 seconds.

    30 MINUTES????

    What can you say? (none / 0) (#3)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 10:30:09 AM EST
    Floridas come close to breaking the record for   the longest electrocution a couple of times too.

    Actually, this one took 27 years, 34 minutes.

    I think its time red states went all the way and  just started crucifying these people - on the     fine trimmed lawns of their mega-churches. Maybe  that'd git it out of their systems.

    Mr. Unborn (none / 0) (#5)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 10:37:57 AM EST
    You have any proof whatsoever that "liberals"     arnt concerned with helping the victims or their  families?

    no (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jen M on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 10:47:40 AM EST
    you don't see it. Not the same thing.

    yeah (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jen M on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 02:10:08 PM EST
    we're against the death penalty

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    details left out of AP report (none / 0) (#11)
    by rothmatisseko on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 11:32:41 AM EST
    While it is not reported in this Associated Press story, members of the media who witnessed the execution say they had to administer the lethal injection twice.  At the press conference, the DOC spokesperson was unable to answer many questions from the media, repeatedly saying "we'll get back to you on that."

    The delegation from PR outside the prison told him they had generated more than 15,000 individual appeals for clemency to Jeb Bush, which ignored.

    One sign at the prison read, "Execution in Progress, MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

    more on this atrocity, from Capital Defense Weekly (none / 0) (#13)
    by scribe on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 01:07:01 PM EST
    The heroic voice of Capital Defense Weekly reports, here:

    ...the execution of Angel Diaz, the last of the year was horribly botched

    Mark Elliot was on the scene outside the Florida State prison and reports that members of the media who witnessed the execution say they had to administer the lethal injection TWICE. He also reports that the family of Angel Diaz was despondent, wailing and crying and beating the ground for over an hour. One passed out and paramedics were called. Those who have witnessed outside the prison at many executions report that they have never experienced such a traumatic display of grief at an execution. At the press conference, the DOC spokesperson was unable to answer many questions from the media, repeatedly saying "we'll get back to you on that."

    The only video media present was Spanish language - also a rarity for Florida. I am sure there will be much made of this - certainly in Puerto Rico. According to Mark, the delegation from PR outside the prison told him they had generated more than 15,000 individual appeals for clemency to Jeb Bush, which were of course, ignored.

    As one sign at the prison read, "Execution in Progress, MERRY CHRISTMAS."

    He closes:

    I should note there was a decent factual innocence claim.

    So, anyone who disputes the fact that Florida has devolved to the "Third-World barbarism" area on the spectrum of deomcracy and modernity should consider:

    The patrician governor ignored over 15,000 letters begging for clemency (very caudillo-like, that);

    The executioner couldn't get it right, requiring a second attempt which ultimately succeeded;

    The executioner's spokesperson blamed the decedent for the difficulty in killing him;

    The decedent may have been factually innocent;

    The decedent's relatives were tortured into emotional incoherence:

    He also reports that the family of Angel Diaz was despondent, wailing and crying and beating the ground for over an hour. One passed out and paramedics were called. Those who have witnessed outside the prison at many executions report that they have never experienced such a traumatic display of grief at an execution.

    The Christianists and State Church at the prison twisted the knife:  "Execution in Progress, MERRY CHRISTMAS."

    why bother coming to a website... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Bill Arnett on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 01:07:17 PM EST
    ...that is here for the liberals that "suck", especially when you are just repeating the same tired arguments of the rabid religious right with no dazzling display of a keen, piercing insight that would justify (possibly) your opinions?

    If you are just here to insult us "liberals" couldn't your time be better spent talking to like-minded people?

    But, as we "liberals" believe in free speech, you are free to offer your opinion; just don't expect much by way of compliments from people who, to you, clearly "suck"

    you forgot (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Jen M on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 02:07:30 PM EST
    change the subject

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    Holy non-sequitur, paper brain! (none / 0) (#18)
    by Al on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 02:51:18 PM EST
    I'm sorry to point out the obvious, but abortion has nothing to do with the death penalty. The notion that a convict should have to suffer a barbaric death because abortions happen is too absurd.

    Why (none / 0) (#19)
    by peacrevol on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 02:53:53 PM EST
    do people get excited about executions? Why does anyone even show up at all. I can only understand being there if I were close enough to the decedent or victim to feel that I should be there, which by the way would have to be pretty close.

    The fact that the execution took a long time is less disturbing to me than the factual argument of innocence that he now takes with him to his grave.

    The death penalty is disturbing...whether you agree with it or not.

    uhhuh..... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by peacrevol on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 04:16:26 PM EST
    let a murderer out every time he or she claims innocense, there will be no one in jail.

    Dont you worry narius, prison has a pretty high turnover rate. I'm sure they'll be able to keep occupancies at a satisfactory level.

    I, for one, am NOT sorry that some murderer gets what is coming to him.

    so it's not even slightly disturbing to you that we're fighting killings with killings? What good is killing someone? Does it get proper revenge? What's the message that we're sending? Do as we say and not as we do? Does it keep others from killing somebody in the future? B/c if so, we wouldnt even have anybody left if it werent for the death penalty right?

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    Bloodlust (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 03:22:49 PM EST
    I suspected that the smell of blood and the stench of death and would draw Narius to the discussion.

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    A question (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 04:24:23 PM EST
    Does it [executions] keep others from killing somebody in the future?

    If a law were passed that said that only murders committed on Tuesdays would be punishable by execution, do you think Tuesday murders would reduce, increase or remain the same?

    Well, you could always... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 04:41:57 PM EST
    Edger (none / 0) (#29)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 05:03:08 PM EST
    Interesting link. Although it certainly didn't answer my question, and, from another site with a different agenda: "[Despite all the preceding cites of studies that prove the deterrent effect of the death penalty] it is arguable if there ever will be a statistical consensus with general deterrence studies."

    iow, both sides of the deterrence debate have statistics on their side.

    That's why I avoided the statistics - since they can used to support both sides - and asked the question I did.

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    I dunno, Sarc... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 05:14:03 PM EST
    I thought "States Without the Death Penalty Have Better Record on Homicide Rates" was a pretty unequivocal "statistic", didn't you?

    I imagine they included Tuesdays in the study. ;-)

    Of course, I suppose it could be that most of the murder victims in those states are death penalty supporters?

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    Edger (none / 0) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 05:25:50 PM EST
    From someone with a different agenda:
    30 years of studies suggest that the death penalty is a general, or systemic, deterrent.

    (See works by Profs. D. Cloninger, S. Cameron, I. Ehrlich, W. Bailey, D. Lester, S. Layson, K. I. Wolpin, L. Phillips, S. C. Ray, S. Stack, etc.)  

    Examples:

    a) A 1967-68 study revealed 27 states showed a deterrent effect (Bailey, W.,1974);  

    b) The 1960's showed a rapid rise in all crimes, including murder, while both prison terms and executions declined (Passell, P. & Taylor, T., 1977; Bowers, W. & Pierce, G., 1975);

    c) Murder increased 100% during the U.S.'s moratorium on executions (Carrington, F., Neither Cruel Nor Unusual);

    d) 14 nations that abolished  the death penalty showed that murder rates increased 7% from the 5 year pre-abolition period to the 5 year post abolition period (Archer, et al, 1977);

    e) A 37 state study showed that 24 states showed a deterrent effect, 8 states showed a brutalization effect and 5 states showed no effect (Bailey, W., 1979-80); and

    f) econometric studies indicate that each execution may deter 8 or more murders ( Cameron, S., 1994).

    Although these studies have been produced by respected social scientists, there are also studies which show no general deterrent effect.

    Indeed, with the complexity of these studies and with the number of variables required to accurately measure the general deterrent effect of executions on murder rates, it is arguable if there ever will be a statistical consensus with general deterrence studies.

    With so few executions and so many murders, the general deterrent effect may remain statistically elusive.

    I think it's silly to throw statistics back and forth because each side of the deterrence debate can find statistics that "prove" their point, and ultimately we're left with only our opinion.

    imo, Tuesday murders would decrease.

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    imo, Tuesday murders would decrease. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 05:34:52 PM EST
    Well, if you counted them over a range of tuesdays, you'd have statistic, right.

    Here's one that doesn't need a study:

    If there were as many executions as there are murders, we'd be doubling the death rate from murder.........
    --Me, today

    You and I have been through this conversation before. Let's agree to disagree. Yes?

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    Edger (none / 0) (#33)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 05:51:06 PM EST
    If there were as many executions as there are murders, we'd be doubling the death rate from murder.........
    --Me, today

    Unless the econometric studies indicating each execution prevents 8 murders are correct. If so, in your example, we'd actually be cutting the murder rate by 75%.

    Yes, let's do agree to disagree. Absent any conclusive proof one way or the other, it's all our opinion anyway.


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    Yes (none / 0) (#34)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 05:53:51 PM EST
    Alls I knows is (none / 0) (#27)
    by peacrevol on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 04:52:33 PM EST
    I couldnt be the one to pull the switch and I dont think it's moral to ask someone else to do it for me.

    Court appointed lawyer
    Couldnt look me in the eye
    He just stood up and closed his briefcase
    When they sentenced me to die
    Now my wait is over
    As the final hour drags by
    I aint about to tell you
    That I dont deserve to die
    But theres twenty-seven men here
    Mostly black, brown and poor
    Most of em are guilty
    Who are you to say for sure?
    So when the preacher comes to get me
    And they shave off all my hair
    Could you take that long walk with me
    Knowing hell is waitin there
    Could you pull that switch yourself sir
    With a sure and steady hand
    Could you still tell youself
    That youre better than I am

    - Steve Earle




    Good one, Peacrevol (none / 0) (#28)
    by Edger on Thu Dec 14, 2006 at 04:57:58 PM EST
    It's always personal.

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    Also, (none / 0) (#37)
    by peacrevol on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 08:43:39 AM EST
    I dont think anybody that kills someone really thinks about what is going to happen to them. They all seem to think they could get away with it. In my mind, it's kind of like a meth or crack or heroin addict who knows that what they're doing is going to have consequences, but they really dont care what happens to them. I think people who are prone to killing someone are not all that deterred by the death penalty b/c either they dont care what happens to them or they cant see it really happening to them. If you try to put yourself in the mind of the subject before any crimes are committed, perhaps we could gain a little more perspective on what may or may not prevent them from killing in the first place. But then again, it's really pretty difficult to put yourself in the mind of a killer...unless you
    are
    one...(looks around the room suspiciously)

    Damn..... (none / 0) (#38)
    by peacrevol on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 08:45:34 AM EST
    Screwed up the whole affect. It was supposed to say

    unless you are one (looks around the room suspiciously)

    Ah well...you get the idea

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    Huh?! (none / 0) (#39)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 01:40:44 PM EST
    Florida Execution Lasts 34 Minutes | 38 comments (38 topical, 2 hidden)

    What's a "hidden" comment? How do they happen?

    hidden comments (none / 0) (#40)
    by Peaches on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 04:29:45 PM EST
    Sarc,

    its just before the weekend and I had some time so I checked in with my favorite blog at TL. I saw your comment and question. Here is your answer. Some TL contributers are allowed to rate comments from 0-5. If a comment has a 0 rating it is hidden from view. One of the things I used to do when I was posting regularly on TL was review the hidden comments. I would give favorable ratings to the hidden ones, so other TL readers could see them. Certain TL contributers here, who shall remain nameless, read the comments before most others and give it immediate zero rating if they are personally offended. This takes makes the comment hidden and you can't read it. I have resusitated many comments from the old Man, so TL can be entertained. I don't think you have ever had a comment hidden from view.

    You can contact Jeralyn if you would like the ability to rate to zero and review the hidden comments.

    btw (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 05:40:38 PM EST
    Glad you stopped back in, hope to see more of you.

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    Peaches (none / 0) (#41)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 05:39:59 PM EST
    Wow. "Some commenters" have the ability to rate other's comments and read the hidden/zero-rated comments? TL has Double Top Secret Police! Who knew.

    Who would even guess someone as respected as Jeralyn would allow such a petty and childish feature on her website.

    I want nothing to do with it, unless everyone here has the same access. Hell, even if everyone did have the same access, I still wouldn't want such a petty and childish feature.

    Although that does explain the weird thing that happened yesterday in that I saw some commenter's names in the "recent comments" section, but when I clicked on the appropriate thread the comments were nowhere to be found...

    Thanks.

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    You can rate, no? (none / 0) (#43)
    by squeaky on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 05:48:14 PM EST
    Can't you rate comments. If you rate a zero it disappears. I found that out by mistake. The stupid comment I rated disappeared. Good to know that there is an antidote. Thanks for the tip Peaches, nice that you dropped by.

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    Huh (none / 0) (#45)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 05:52:02 PM EST
    Dunno. Never tried. Not even sure how to go about it. Probably better that way...

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    Sarc? (none / 0) (#44)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 05:50:20 PM EST
    Can you open this link?--> Trusted User Guidelines. If not let me know and I'll quote from it for you.

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    Edger (none / 0) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 05:58:50 PM EST
    Thanks for the link. I guess my "mojo" is high enough that I'm a trusted comment rater/comment hider. It still seems kinda silly to me and goes against my grain. Ah well, thanks for sharing the secret.

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    You're welcom. (none / 0) (#48)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 06:05:55 PM EST
    It's not a "sinister" system. ;-) People make themselves trusted, or untrusted. Though I'm sure Jeralyn or a sysadmin can override.

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    There is also this link (none / 0) (#47)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 15, 2006 at 06:04:00 PM EST
    Untrusted User Guidlines which also explains the system.

    Nothing is hidden. I believe also that if one commenter rates a comment to "0", and another subsequently rates the same comment higher than "0", it does not "unhide" the comment. I may be wrong on this though.

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