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Terrorist Wannabe Armed With Stereo Speakers

With much fanfare, the government indicted Derrick Shareef, described here as "a black Muslim convert accused of plotting alone to set off hand grenades inside a Rockford, Illinois shopping mall a few days before Christmas."

Shareef had no connection to any terrorist organization. He had no hand grenades. He had no cash with which to buy hand grenades, although he had a couple of stereo speakers he hoped to swap for some. Not the most sophisticated of terrorist plots.

Shareef talked of jihad, a word that can describe violent or nonviolent intentions. Shareef's may have been violent, but he seems to have had little ability to carry out his plan.

So Shareef fits a pattern of indicted "wanna be" terrorists with big ideas but no apparent means or backing from our real enemies.

Much about this story, including the state of Shareef's mental health, is unknown. Many of the unanswered questions are explored here.

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    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by aw on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:42:08 PM EST
    Fitzgerald has zero tolerance and indicts anyone who remotely resembles a terrorist or he had to do this because he can't allow one chink in his armor to show to this administration while he still has investigations going on.

    I could just see his credibility being attacked, attacked, and attacked some more if he had let this guy go.  In this climate, who knows whether the rw fear machine is still effective?  I don't think Fitzgerald could take a chance that it might be and ruin his credibility in his case against Libby.

    But, aw, Fitzgerald has nothing to... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Bill Arnett on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:35:59 AM EST
    ...do with this situation. It would be up to Abu Gonzales to prosecute this case, or assign a prosecutor

    Did you perhaps "misspeak'?

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    This is from the link, Bill (none / 0) (#19)
    by aw on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 04:08:22 PM EST
    Patrick Fitzgerald, one of the nation's leading terrorism prosecutors, who indicted Osama bin Laden in 1998 and imprisoned al Qaeda operatives before most Americans ever heard of the group, brought terrorism charges Friday against a much lower-profile suspect.


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    Mea Culpa. I missed that. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:04:55 PM EST
    Quite alright (none / 0) (#38)
    by aw on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 05:24:32 PM EST
    Sorry I missed you today.

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    Oh noes (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:48:30 PM EST
    This means we need a central front in the War on Christmas, too. Quickly! Send troops to the North Pole! It's about time we put give those arctic warfare units something to do besides make spiffy TV ad spots.

    (Also, pretty soon there won't be much of an Arctic left.)

    Sounds like a complete nutcase (4.00 / 0) (#2)
    by Al on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:42:23 PM EST
    which makes me wonder, to what extent does the government-sponsored hysteria about terrorism actually encourage lone nutcases to try to get their 15 minutes of fame?

    The irony is (4.00 / 0) (#5)
    by scarshapedstar on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:45:13 AM EST
    Your average lone nutcase is the creepy redneck type. But whether it's the McVeigh variety or the Rudolph variety, they just can't seem to hold the spotlight anymore. They don't even get a perfunctory 15 minutes.

    Now if a brown dude so much as prays in a suspicious manner...

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    Look, TChris (4.00 / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 02:58:07 AM EST
    The guy had a boombox, fer chrissakes. There's gotta be an unrelated country to invade over this.

    Oh, yeah, this guy was a really big time... (4.00 / 0) (#13)
    by Bill Arnett on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:46:58 AM EST
    ...terrorist alright. Possession of stereo speakers! Talk of setting off grenades he neither had nor possessed the money to buy.

    This guy is every bit as scary as those six, homeless, barefoot, and broke "terrorists" that were going to bring down the Sears Tower (apparently with their bare hands). Or that guy that was going to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge with his blowtorch.

    If possession of stereo speakers now makes a person a terrorist suspect I guess I should worry, 'cause I have a killer surround sound system in use right now in my living room.

    Oh, excuse me there's a knock at the do-------------------

    Onto us (4.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jondee on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 12:30:41 PM EST
    I missed the part where scar "attacked Christmas."  I guess according to some (alledged) minds, an      attack on those who talk about the war on Christmas  is an attack on Christmas. Just like no matter what we say, we hate America and want the terrorists to   win.

    Terrorist excusers (1.00 / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:57:38 AM EST
    Now let me see. We have a case here of a Moslem male wanting to trigger hand grenades in shopping malls
    and I see absolutely no condemnation by  edger, scar, squeaky, Al and aw of his intentions and plans.

    Instead, all I see is excuses. He had no money to carry out this threat, etc.

    And the required, Impeach Bush from edger and scar's  attack on Christmas.... What happened scar, see a cross this morning??

    I am sure that by Friday he will have morphed into a Methodist rather than a member of the Religion of Peace, aka Islam.

    Okay - sigh (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by LarryE on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:06:03 AM EST
    Okay, Jim. :ahem:

    WE ALL ARE AGAINST MUSLIMS (or anyone else for that matter) SETTING OFF HAND GRENADES IN SHOPPING MALLS.

    Now that that's out of the way, perhaps you'd care to return to the actual subject, which is the White House's manipulation of overblown fears for political ends - manipulation such as playing up as a big terrorist plot some single guy who lacked both the weapons and the means to obtain them.

    And having done that, perhaps you would care to explain your lack of condemnation of that manipulation.

    By the way, ever heard of William Krar?

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    Making excuses. (1.00 / 1) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:32:15 PM EST
    Larry - I thought the subject was about arresting a young Moslem male before he carried out his plans to kill our fellow citizens..

    But upon further review, I can see that it is definitely about the Left making excuses for him.

    The play stands as called on the field.

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    its about (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Jen M on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 10:32:08 PM EST
    police aresting a nutjob who raved about what he WANTED to do.

    I could go on ranting about wanting to go back in time and change history so that Washington lost the Revolutionary war.

    This wouldn't really make me much of a threat.

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    Was it really a plan? (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 04:58:53 PM EST
    Or simply a thought that some undercover agents pushed and coddled into a plan?

    I think we are on a fine line with thought crime here.  I mean, I fantasize about storming the White House with a million of my closest friends, pitchforks and torches in hand all the time...

    Maybe I should get a labotomy to avoid such thoughts and keep my arse outta jail.

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    I just found it amusing (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by scarshapedstar on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:14:45 PM EST
    That the government felt it important to specifically point out that this terrorist attack was going to happen just before...

    brace yourselves...

    hide your children...

    CHRISTMAS-AH!!!! Can you imagine, a Mohamedan attacking one of our holiest sites on Jesus' Birthday? It's almost as bad as (with apologies to Bill Maher) Bill Clinton putting his d*ck in a Jew's mouth on Easter!

    As to why I haven't sufficiently condemned this guy, well, somehow I thought that setting off hand grenades in a shopping mall was a self-evidently Bad Thing. This site doesn't really "do" LGF-style ritualistic thousand-page comment threads filled with "MISSILE. TEHRAN. BLACKENED GLASS. ANY QUESTIONS!!??!!1!1"

    If you find such a thing cathartic, you're welcome to do so.

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    Good one (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by squeaky on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 01:26:19 PM EST
    Can you imagine, a Mohamedan attacking one of our holiest sites on Jesus' Birthday?

    lol

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    has been attacked (1.00 / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 08:36:23 PM EST
    Can you imagine, a Mohamedan attacking one of our holiest sites on Jesus' Birthday?

    Actually that church has been attacked.... as to the date of the birth of Christ, no one knows. 12/25 is merely a chosen date for the celebration.

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    Rockford Illinois shopping mall (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 11:34:53 PM EST
    I had not heard that there had been a previous terrorist attack on one of our holiest sites
    'the shopping mall'

    on Christmas?  

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    Read (1.00 / 0) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 07:08:41 AM EST
    Read something besides Left wing blog sites.

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    Gasp! You mean? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 07:28:27 AM EST
    You mean... There was no terrorist attack on a mall? It was all lies?

    Really, Jim? Wow. So who's been trying to build up one broke mental case into an evil ruthless terrorist?

    There sure are some sick people in the world, aren't there Jim?

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    I heard.... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 05:08:06 PM EST
    October was the best guess for Jesus' birthday.  

    December 25th was assigned to sucker all the pagans into converting while letting them keep their winter solstice party traditions.

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    LOOK OUT, JIM!! (4.00 / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:02:45 AM EST
    There's one in your closet right now!!!

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    uhm (4.00 / 0) (#9)
    by Jen M on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 09:42:06 AM EST
    "sounds like a complete nutcase" being what, high praise?

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    Safer? (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 07:49:09 PM EST
    What a relief, I feel so much safer.

    Oh, and

    IMPEACH BUSH

    Dang! (none / 0) (#17)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 03:15:44 PM EST
    I was just in a mall last week! Man, that was CLOSE.

    FYI Jim (none / 0) (#18)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 03:17:32 PM EST
    Kevlar toilet seats are on sale at Home Depot.

    edger, (none / 0) (#20)
    by cpinva on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 04:37:13 PM EST
    where were those speakers made? i think a peremptory attack on taiwan is in order here.

    bill, he could very well have gnawed his way through the ceiling supports for that mall. you don't give these guys nearly enough credit.

    scar, his name used to be "billy bobby ricky", before he changed it to the more easily pronounceable "shareef", to honor his muslim ancestors. more or less.

    clearly, this guy is a desperate headcase, seeking his andy warhol 15 minutes. he seems more a danger to himself (probably would have hurt himself with the speakers) than anyone else. nonetheless, he should be incarcerated, in an institution.

    somewhere, his village is looking for him.

    Prolly... (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Edger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 04:42:42 PM EST
    ...a speeker factry in Jim's hometown. I'd be pissed too. Makin' him look bad'n all. Ain't there a ghost flight leevin' soon we kin get 'im a seat on?

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    Wherever they're made... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sun Dec 10, 2006 at 04:50:59 PM EST
    ...that place needs to be invaded. Them people are nutbars down there. They'll kill anybody....

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    People's lives are not expendable (none / 0) (#28)
    by serena1313 on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:17:31 AM EST
    I don't know about y'all, but don't you think the administration has over-played this card?

    It is disturbing to think Derrick Shareef -- along with god knows how many others -- will be denied habeas corpus and a host of other rights. Who knows, maybe he is so "dangerous" that he will be renditioned to one of the CIA's ghost prisons, held indefinitely and tortured.

    Oh wait... that's right, Padilla, the infamous alleged bomber, has been imprisoned in America without legal recourse for close to 4-years -- so I imagine that will happen to Shareef, too.

    The Bush administration was basically forced to finally charge Padilla -- knowing the Supreme Court would over-rule his incarceration. Oddly no charges were made in relationship to terrorist acts. After enduring years of suffering from sensory depravation it is no wonder Padilla has been

       

    "... judged by professionals as mentally ill as a consequence of his brutal treatment, has been denied his Constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial and was permitted no legal representation for 21 months...

    Ashcroft claimed Padilla, an American citizen, was

    "... a known terrorist who was exploring a plan to build and explode a radiological dispersion device, or `dirty bomb,' in the United States." Those lurid claims were abandoned when the government, faced with a belated U.S. Supreme Court censure, finally charged Padilla with vague and lesser crimes carrying a maximum 15-year sentence."

    "In the end, the administration has retreated from its hoary claims; Padilla's trial, set to begin on Jan. 22, does not include any reference to dirty bombs, al Qaeda, or any specific plans to attack America. Instead, he faces lesser charges claiming he was the recruit of a "North American support cell," whose interest was in jihad in Bosnia and Chechnya. As if it had no bearing on the disoriented state of mind of the defendant, the Bush administration's lawyers have argued in motions that his treatment as a prisoner should not be presented before the jury."

    Who knows how many others are secretly locked away simply because they are Middle-Eastern or are "suspected" of being an enemy of the US.

    People's lives are not expendable. Suspects are not "guilty" until proven so in a court of law.

    However in this day and age the Fifth Amendment means little, if anything, under this administration.

    Americans have had enough of the fear mongering. Terrorists were not as much of a problem until Bush elevated their status. Wars will NOT stop "terrorism" -- addressing the root cause, will.

    Denying any American of his/her rights is counterproductive. It is destroying the very essence of what made our nation unique.

    Last, the case against the 12 London "terrorists" has basically the same hand print as the case against Derrick Shareef: both lack solid evidence. Due to carelessness and an over-eagerness to catch the "bad" guys people's, innocent people's lives are ruined. The intelligence agencies, one would assume, would wait until the evidence was in-hand...?

    Talking about doing something versus actually acting on it are two completely different things. Arresting people based on what they say will not make us safer.

    The administration over-played their hand one too many times.

    As a result they've lost all credibility.

    Entrapment shift: 13 year-old girls to Jihadists (none / 0) (#29)
    by baked potato on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 02:56:56 AM EST
    There seems to have been a noticeable shift in the employment of cops engaged in entrapment from pretending to be 13-year old girls in chat rooms to pretending to be Jihadist enablers.  I guess it's all that Homeland Security funding pouring into middle America.  I think the fake 13 year-olds are still out there, maybe awaiting rotation.  But that's clearly no longer the plum assignment it used to be back in the bubble days.

    bush has so exaggerated the threat... (none / 0) (#33)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:23:28 PM EST
    ...of terrorism it is tragic.

    Isn't it weird that other countries like England, Spain, Germany, France, and so many other nations are using their police to fight terrorism because that's what police do: they get info, they investigate, they get warrants, they arrest suspects and accord them all their rights, and then present evidence to the courts that convicts these people and put them away.

    Fighting terrorism is a police matter. It didn't take a "shock and awe" bombing campaign by our military to find and arrest Rudolph and obtain a conviction in a court of law.

    That does not, however, speak to the matter of his confinement driving him insane. If his psychological abuse claims can be documented and shown to be harmful, then it could indeed be found to be cruel and unusual punishment and alternative methods of dealing with people like this devised.

    When you treat men in a manner that you would not inflict on an animal, then the people doing the treating are just as soul-less, cruel, and sadistic as the prisoners they guard, which is indeed a sad commentary on what America is becoming.

    I clearly confused two different... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Bill Arnett on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:31:29 PM EST
    ...threads. I'm caught in one of my really extremely bad pain days and meds are knocking me out. I'll "see" everybody tomorrow.

    My comment regarding the use of police to fight terrorism still stands.

    Ask Abu Gonzales why there are fewer terrorism cases being filed now than pre-9/11, so somebody wants to keep pushing fear when they are perfectly aware that the problem doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

    Take care, Bill. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Edger on Mon Dec 11, 2006 at 01:54:31 PM EST