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Giuliani Supports Troop Increase

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:50:00 AM EST
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Rudy Giuliani has ended his silence over Bush's proposal for a troop increase. After the speech, he announced he supports a troop increase.

"I support the president’s increase in troops," Giuliani said in a statement. "Even more importantly – I support the change in strategy – the focus on security and the emphasis on a political and economic solution as being even more important than a military solution."

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    i find it compelling (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by cpinva on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 08:36:56 AM EST
    that the only people who've expressed any confidence in mr. bush's plan, are the same people who've been completely wrong on iraq all along.

    the generals, who'd normally be expected to welcome additional troops, seem, as a group, less than enthusiastic about this "plan".

    really, as near as i can tell, the only people who appear supportive are those who will not be directly affected.

    the overall sense i get is that the president truly has no idea at all what to do about the mess he's created. what we're witnessing is figurative and literal flailing about, in search of something, anything, that will extricate him from the quagmire of his own making.

    mr. bush's main concern is how iraq will impact his "legacy" as president. he's more than willing to (unnecessarily) potentially sacrifice 1,000's of lives, in an effort to shore up what is universally seen as a failed administration.

    this just might qualify as an impeachable offense.

    cpinva - I have a question. (none / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 09:38:43 AM EST
    And I am sure it will be ignored. You claim.

    mr. bush's main concern is how iraq will impact his "legacy" as president.

    My question is the same I asked some of my Repub buds when they made the same claim about Clinton.

    Give me some proof.

    As for your impeachment claim, aren't you, as the Repubs did, claiming he knowingly has done wrong things?

    Give me some proof.

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    Well, I guess... (none / 0) (#34)
    by scarshapedstar on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 04:10:12 PM EST
    In the first week of his presidency, Bush stated, "F*ck Saddam. We're taking him out." He then proceeded to invade Iraq for no discernible reason while claiming all along that war was his last resort, letting Osama bin Laden escape in the process. He did so with less than one fourth of the troop strength his generals said would be absolutely necessary, while cynically telling the public that he and they were in perfect agreement. While Iraq predictably descended into chaos, his top priority was selling off Iraqi government and industry to the highest American bidders and funneling hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to war profiteers. And now, with our army about to give way with an audible pop, he is threatening to expand this suicidal war into Iran.

    Perhaps a simpler question to answer would be: has he knowingly done anything right?

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    who can comment (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by dorothy on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 09:58:52 AM EST
    It is morally wrong to say someone else should send their children to die in a war when you are not willing to send your own.

    Moral incoherence (1.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Gabriel Malor on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:02:38 AM EST
    It is morally incoherent to say that someone should send their children off to war as if people of an age to serve in the military are prohibited from or incapable of deciding for themselves.

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    Don't pretend not to understand (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Dadler on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:29:47 PM EST
    If you would welcome your child marching off to a war like that in Iraq -- fought for no reason, having no bearing on America's security, and carried out with inferior resources and non-existent strateby -- then you are truly inhumane.  

    Here's a clue, Einstein, the word "send" is used to indicate those in power have the ability to control who gets sent and who doesn't.  And an almost non-existent fraction of those in power have children in this fiasco.  The rest, for whom no sacrifice whatsoever is asked or given, sending other people's kids to die for your mistakes and stupidity is much "easier"...and that is wretched beyond measure.  

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    "Einstein's" (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:40:27 PM EST
    "Don't pretend not to understand" is his specialty... sort of like pretending not to troll and bait while trolling and baiting. His believing that people are dumb enough to fall for it is another issue...

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    dorothy (1.00 / 1) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:30:03 PM EST
    First of all, the children you speak of are legal adults, so why do you think anyone sends them anywhere?

    Secondly, is it also morally wrong to accept security and freedom fought for and secured by others?

    If you oppose the war, oppose it.

    But please be so kind as to define why you oppose it and what, if any, war you would support.

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    As if anyone has to justify an abhorrence... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Bill Arnett on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:21:46 PM EST
    ...of violence and the killing of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and thousands of American troops killed and wounded in a useless oil war.

    It's perfectly fine for dorothy to despise war and/or violence in any form, and she certainly DOES NOT have to justify her stance to anyone or agree that ANY war might be worth the loss of innocent life.

    How rude, asking her to justify an opinion shared by millions and millions of people worldwide, including a LARGE majority of Americans.

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    Bill (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:02:26 PM EST
    If you post a comment, don't be surprised if someone agrees/disagrees/asks questions....

    You do understand that concept, eh??

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    Afghanistan (none / 0) (#35)
    by scarshapedstar on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 04:12:04 PM EST
    Wasn't it supported by pretty much everyone, in the US and around the world?

    Funny how even you have forgotten that war now.

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    Not everyone has forgotten (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Sailor on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 06:10:35 PM EST
    Commanders seek more forces in Afghanistan
    [...]
    A US Army battalion fighting in a critical area of eastern Afghanistan is due to be withdrawn within weeks to deploy to Iraq.
    Anyone else remember when bush said he'd listen to the commanders on the ground!?

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    Rudy, rudy (none / 0) (#1)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:48:04 AM EST
    You're giving away bush's new spin...

    the emphasis on a political and economic solution as being even more important than a military solution

    ...while he sends in more troops.

    Rudy the clown (none / 0) (#2)
    by koshembos on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 04:37:32 AM EST
    He did it carrying a loudspeaker in hand and a mask covering his big mouth. TV crews in tow.

    Of course he does.... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 08:53:25 AM EST
    I'm sure it's good news for his investment portfolio...and his kid is safe on a golf course.

    kdog (none / 0) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 09:40:48 AM EST
    And my kids are safe on their jobs...

    Careful guy, you are drifting back into the position that only those who serve may comment on the war.

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    Rudy can comment... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:23:27 AM EST
    all he wants.  I just don't put much weight in what he thinks...he's got nothing to lose.  

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    Comments that matter.... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:26:11 AM EST
    if you are interested in comments that matter....look up Mike Lupica's column in yesterday's Daily News to read the comments of a post 9/11 enlistee and his thoughts on the escalation.  

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    Back into the position.. (none / 0) (#7)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 09:53:40 AM EST
    No, he's drifting back into the position that wars are generally made and enthusiastically embraced by those who've never been in one; and never will be.

    Financial incentives that Genna dosnt need etc.. (none / 0) (#10)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:13:15 AM EST
    Since when has nurturing moral coherence been a priority here? Btw, "Market forces compel us" isnt morally coherent.

    Jondee (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:43:39 PM EST
    Do you claim that forced income distribution is moral??

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    OFF TOPIC TROLL POST (none / 0) (#31)
    by Sailor on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 02:13:26 PM EST


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    jim, i wouldn't ignore you (none / 0) (#13)
    by cpinva on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:45:22 AM EST
    that isn't nearly as much fun as responding to you is.

    i should have put a "in my opinion" at the end of those two statements. prove i'm wrong.

    My question is the same I asked some of my Repub buds when they made the same claim about Clinton.

    no doubt you were on that like ducks on a june bug! :)

    It is morally incoherent to say that someone should send their children off to war as if people of an age to serve in the military are prohibited from or incapable of deciding for themselves.

    wrong again gabe! in fact, unless they're the president, or in congress, they don't get to make that decision. the only decision they get to make, for now, is whether or not to enlist.

    in that respect, they're parents probably (hopefully) do have some input in the decision.

    cpinva - Just love it, eh? ;-) (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:36:48 PM EST
    Uh, yes I was on it, but more like a Fice dog in the smokehouse.

    You keep on acting like I'm a Repub. I'll say again. I am an Independent, ex-Demo.

    But I wasn't disputing my buds' claim because I loved Clinton. I didn't and I don't. He couldn't carry the truth in a bucket.

    But they, like you, were wrong on both issues.

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    that should have been "their" parents (none / 0) (#14)
    by cpinva on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:46:22 AM EST


    I don't suppose that Rudy commented on bush's... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Bill Arnett on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:15:21 PM EST
    ...open act of war in invading the embassy of Iran, taking its employees hostage, and seizing their computers and files yesterday, did he?

    Rudy is way too much of a lightweight and gadfly to ever make a good president. I'm sure he will rethink the presidency thing and keep shuffling around with his entourage in tow telling him what a greatm guy he is and stroking his ego.

    We did??????? (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:42:11 PM EST
    Hmmm.. Nope, I have missed that, Bill. Evidently all the networks have also missed it.

    Can you provide us a link?? I'm sure you have one.

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    Geez, you are so lazy. Don't you even bother... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Bill Arnett on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:51:14 PM EST
    ...to read what is out in the public domain? It's off-topic, but HERE.

    The U.S. military said it had taken six people into custody in the Irbil region but made no mention of a raid on the Iranian consulate.

    The forces entered the building about 3 a.m., detaining the Iranians and confiscating computers and documents, two senior local Kurdish officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information. Irbil is a city in the Kurdish-controlled north, 220 miles from Baghdad.

    Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the government was seeking clarification from the Americans and the Iranians "about these people and what they were doing there and whether they were employees."

    In Tehran, Iran's Foreign Ministry summoned the Iraqi and Swiss ambassadors and "demanded an explanation" about the incident. Switzerland represents American interests in Iran, where there is no U.S. Embassy.

    Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told state-run radio that the raid was "against a diplomatic mission" since the "presence of Iranian staffers in Irbil was legal." Hosseini claimed the action by coalition forces reflected a "continuation of pressure" on Iran, aiming to "create tension" between
    Iraq and its neighbors.

    At thePentagon, a senior U.S. military official said the building was not a consulate and did not have any diplomatic status. The six Iranians were taken in a "cordon-and-knock" operation, said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

    The raid came as tensions are high between Iran and the United States. The Bush administration has accused Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons and of helping fuel violence in Iraq. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, meanwhile, is trying to expand Tehran's role in Iraq as a counter to U.S. influence in the Gulf region.



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    Bill and Edger.... (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:01:09 PM EST
    Hey thanks guys, my bad for thinking you were not talking about us going after al-Qaeda members.

    That's why I blog, really... Really, thanks, wow, super. Glad to see that you are on top of any little offense we might give to the Iranians...

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    Welcome. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:10:45 PM EST
    Anytime.

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    Same here. Happy to oblige. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Bill Arnett on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:24:12 PM EST


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    Jim? (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 12:48:30 PM EST
    Hey Jim... (shaking shoulder gently) You awake Jim?

    Bill and Edger Speaking of being awake... (1.00 / 1) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:08:58 PM EST
    At thePentagon, a senior U.S. military official said the building was not a consulate and did not have any diplomatic status. The six Iranians were taken in a "cordon-and-knock" operation, said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

    Uh, maybe that's why I thought I had missed it. I mean since it is not an embassy or a consulate...

    And BTW , there is a rather large differene between the two... If you are ever in a foreign country and need something, make sure you know the difference..

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    Iranian officials detained in Iraq, U.S. official (none / 0) (#27)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:17:36 PM EST
    CNN International:
    Iran's government-run Islamic Republic News Agency reported five people were detained and said U.S. forces disarmed guards, broke open the consulate gate and confiscated computers and documents.

    But you know how those terrorist states are.

    They're liable to say anything:

    The U.S. official asserted the Iranians were not inside an officially designated diplomatic consulate or embassylike building.


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    Bill and Edger (1.00 / 1) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 04:18:39 PM EST
    Well, I'm gonna believe my side.

    You can believe Iran.

    And as long as we got who wanted, I don't care who is right.

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    Re: "I don't care who is right." (none / 0) (#37)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 04:21:58 PM EST
    Yes. We knew that.

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    Rudy's really feeling America's pulse (none / 0) (#30)
    by Dadler on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:49:14 PM EST
    A full 7 out of 10 Americans disapprove of this bullsh*t "surge", because they now know NONE of our national interests are being served by having ANY troops there.  So they want them out.  Simple and logical.  Bush and the rest desiring to send more Americans to their pointless deaths is simply homocidal delusion and rank contempt for the will of the American people.

    He never read our pulse in NY... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 02:32:44 PM EST
    when mayor.  

    Him and Bush are 2 peas in a pod, there isn't a problem more "firepower" can't solve.

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    Support the Surge (none / 0) (#33)
    by jondee on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 03:29:25 PM EST
    Enforced income distribution, I thought we had that already. So, its "universal service": good, justice intruding on the papal infallability of the market: bad. That about right?

    Sorry for the O.T.

    Bad news... (none / 0) (#39)
    by desertswine on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 05:11:23 PM EST
    Pentagon Abandons Active-Duty Time Limit

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- For the first time since President Bush mobilized the National Guard and Reserve after the Sept. 11 attacks, the Pentagon is abandoning its limit on the time a citizen-soldier can be required to serve on active duty.

    Looks like a recipe for (none / 0) (#40)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 05:32:08 PM EST
    Lots more... PTSD... lots more mental health problems... more Haditha's and Abeer Qassim al-Janabi's... and lots more death.

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    Recipe for death alright... (none / 0) (#41)
    by desertswine on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 05:38:28 PM EST
    In other words, a citizen-soldier could be mobilized for a 24-month stretch in Iraq or Afghanistan, then demobilized and allowed to return to civilian life, only to be mobilized a second time for as much as an additional 24 months.

    Or, a third time.

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    Bush (none / 0) (#42)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 05:43:25 PM EST
    and his buddies truly don't give a sh*t, I think...

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    desertswine (none / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:04:47 PM EST
    Uh yeah. Read the contract.

    BTW - During WWII it was "for the duration."

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    War Heroes (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 06:49:40 PM EST
    Rudy and Bush served valiently in Vietnam didn't they?

    I saw if on TV somewhere.

    Maybe Fox news.

    Actually, I am beginning to think that Bush is a commie/terrorist dupe intent on destroying the U.S. Think about it...no one could be doing more damage to the treasury and military if they had developed and executed a plan designed specifically for that purpose. This guy is intent on bringing down the "Great Satan" all by himself unless he is stopped. Once again it is up to us "libruhls" to save America from its own evil spawn!

    Did you fly a F102 (1.00 / 0) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 10:06:23 PM EST
    Ernesto - One more time we find the concept of only those who have done something can comment. Did you fly a F102?? No? Then please quit talking about Bush.

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    Rudy the fighter pilot? (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 03:33:45 AM EST
    Or are you referring to the Mission Accomplished photo op?

    True, I have never played tough guy for the cameras after having had my daddy help me to dodge the real bullets. So I guess I can't comment on chickenhawks George and Rudy?

    Ummm just wondering...why are you such a shameful apologist for these creeps? Are you part of the plot to bankrupt the treasury and destroy the military, too?

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    Glad to answer. (1.00 / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 09:09:02 AM EST
    Because you and other members of the Left almost never attack them for the real problems....no NHC, Social Security on the ropes, infrastructure problems, drug war problems.... Instead you have turned a real live war in which we must win into a political excercise that is aiding the enemy and hurting the country.

    To you, everything is politics. There is no base. And since you have no base point, you can't understand that the first thing you must have is a country functioning on the western civilization basics that it was founded on.

    Shorter. I don't like Bush. I like you even less.

    I would return the favor and ask you some questions, but you explained yourself very clearly when you said that we caused the problem when we gave OBL and the insurgents fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, weapons.

    BTW - Bush didn't need Daddy to get into the ANC as a PILOT. There was a shortage. What there were plenty of was ground support and office types. If that was what he joined you would have an argument.

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    Inside out, upside down, (4.00 / 0) (#52)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 09:15:07 AM EST
    backwards, and through the looking glass.

    Nothing new here.

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    And Rudy is still wrong. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Bill Arnett on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 01:55:59 PM EST


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    Rudy (none / 0) (#55)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 01:57:10 PM EST
    Was born wrong.

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    Not nice, Ernesto. (none / 0) (#49)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 04:08:23 AM EST
    You know bush is too incompetent to wreck eveything by himself. He needs help. And now you've blown ppj's cover. ;-)

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    I'm sorry Edger but... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 04:28:52 AM EST
    I'm just sick and tired of watching PPJ give aid and comfort to the terrorists that are cheering on Bush's destruction of the U.S. military and depletion of the treasury.

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    What is your plan? (1.00 / 1) (#53)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 09:24:03 AM EST
    Ernesto - And what is your plan? I mean besides electing more Lefties?

    And when would you fight? And where?

    After we have lost a city or two? In New Jersey?

    People who think everything in life is available for negotiation have a shallow understanding of the world, and don't understand that in this war we are dealing with people who will happily die rather than give one inch. They are totally dedicated to imposing sharia law around the world.

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    Sharia law (none / 0) (#56)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 12, 2007 at 01:59:14 PM EST
    Now tell us specifically how that could ever happen. If you would.

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