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Markos vs. Karl Rove in Newsweek

By Jeralyn, Section Media
Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2007 at 10:36:00 PM EST
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Newsweek has selected Karl Rove to be the counterpoint to Markos of Daily Kos as a political contributor for the 2008 elections.

Their new columns are up now:

Markos: Make the Bush Record the Issue

Rove: How to Beat Hillary (Next November)

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    I see you still have the light in your eyes.. (1.00 / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 09:02:54 AM EST
    Democrats will be tying

    Oh, that's a given. But Bush isn't running, and that tactic doesn't work well in today's world. Too much information available and too smart an electorate. Simply put, the Demos national handmaidens, aka the MSM, have been largely rendered ineffective by cable news and the internet.

    And the old "Repubs will take your Medicare and Social Security" telephone calls make people mad rather than scared.

    The war is being won, just notice how you don't hear much about it to know that even the MSM sees that, and the Demos have turned a gimme putt for a win into a nine footer for a tie. The future bodes ill for them.

    Which is a shame. Perhaps if they had not decided to try and use the anti-war as their base, and thus become vulnerable to accurate charges that they are weak on national defense and are the party of surrender, they could have energized the middle and demanded reform on NHC, gay rights and drug law reform.

    Keep whistling past the graveyard (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 09:21:01 AM EST


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    Is that the best your light can pick up?? (1.00 / 0) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 10:01:09 AM EST
    Come on Molly, let's make a bet on the race for President.

    If the Demos win I will contribute $20. to TalkLeft.

    If the Repubs win you will contribute $100. to TalkLeft.

    And yes, I think the odds are about right. You being so sure and all.

    What say you??

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    What say me (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by manys on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 10:12:40 AM EST
    Your grandparent post contains a lot of assertions but no backup or citations, which puts it in the O'Reilly Logic camp. If it's supposed to be opinion, then who is to argue with that? As Dennis Miller used to say, "It's just my opinion, I could be wrong."

    If the willingness to bet $100 is all you have to back yourself up, then that's not much at all. Is that really the best you can do?

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    Actually I think you need to learn how to (1.00 / 0) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 02:58:24 PM EST
    read.

    First, why do you assume old Repubs are Grandparents?

    Secondly, do you think attempts to frighten elderly people ... also known as fear mongering... the proper thing to do?

    And yes, it is opinion. That's a rather well know phenom on the internet...

    And I didn't bet a $100. I bet $20, with Molly giving odds and paying $100. when she loses.

    Other than that you're spot on.

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    "The war is won"??? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by tnthorpe on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 11:01:59 AM EST
    November 8, 2007
    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Opposition to the Iraq war is at an all-time high despite reports of a reduction of violence in the country, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Thursday.

    Sixty-eight percent of poll respondents opposed the war, setting a new record. The level of opposition is slightly up from last month and 1 percentage point higher than the previous record of 67 percent, first set in December 2006 in a CNN/Opinion Research survey.

    Support for the war in Iraq among Americans has dropped to 31 percent from 34 percent last month, the new poll found.
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    According to this the LEFT has taken over the country. I think your boy Bush is in a heap of trouble and your boy Rove is going to lead them into the wilderness for a generation or two. Bush enablers, like Gonzo, will have lots of explaining to do to an angry electorate.

    Enough with the foolish golf metaphors already, since everyone knows that Iraq is no country club. Point out the political advances made by the Iraqi government if you want to make an argument with substance, but then again, you can't do that because it hasn't happened.

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    Uh, Bush isn't running. (1.00 / 1) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 03:10:22 PM EST
    Is there something about those words that make them invisible to Leftie eyes??

    And I love the open ended questions.

    Do you favor taking military action in Iran??
    Well duh. No one I know is in favor of doing that.

    But when the question becomes. If Iran is on the brink of developing nukes, do you favor taking military action in Iran, then almost everyone I know favors taking action.

    I realize you want to throw open the borders and surrender, but do you honestly think that would be a good policy??

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    ROFLMAO (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by tnthorpe on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 03:34:57 PM EST
    You need to get work on your SNL skit man, you're on fire.

    p.s. that's a metaphor

    p.p.s. Bush's party is running and they're liable for his manifest failures, lies, and law-breaking. But you play your mind games with yourself, you've almost got yourself convinced.

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    hehe (1.00 / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 08:27:44 PM EST
    Are you still trying to claim that Repack saying that he would be entertained if Rover burned himself up?????/

    Puleaseeeee. Not only didn't that dog not hunt, it didn't even get off the porch.

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    No actually (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by tnthorpe on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 11:36:05 PM EST
    that was YOUR claim, mine was that he indulged in a tart and pleasant metaphor.

    You're a laff riot, shame about the not being able to read.

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    Actually you can't even get my mistake right (1.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 07:52:54 AM EST
    yet you criticize...

    Any knucklehead would have known that what I was trying to say was...

    Are you still trying to claim that Repack saying that he would be entertained if Rover burned himself up is a metaphor?

    Tell us again how open borders will improve the life of the US citizen...

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    ROFLMAO (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by tnthorpe on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 08:58:30 AM EST
    it's my job to get your mistakes right?

    Man, there isn't time enough in a day for that.

    Read his post again and feast your tired eyes on the word metaphor.

    Why is it that you can't admit your mistake? You misstate my position on immigration, get a basic question of reading competence wrong, and obviously wouldn't know a metaphor if it bit you from behind.

    So, why like our little tyrant in the White House can't you admit you made a mistake and move on?

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    Nope (1.00 / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:26:41 AM EST
    Immigration??

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's a duck. All of your positions are open borders positions.

    Check this out. You wrote.

    p.s. that's a metaphor

    And yes, I made a mistake in my reply.

    But you knew what I meant.

    Why couldn't you make a logical comeback rather than a snark?

    And the answer is......that's what you do.

    You also wrote:

    that was YOUR claim, mine was that he indulged in a tart and pleasant metaphor.

    If you think saying that you would be entertained if someone burned themselves alive is a tart and pleasant statement.... well, you have my sympathy and I urge you to seek counseling.

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    you can't (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by tnthorpe on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 10:19:12 AM EST
    really be this obtuse, can you?

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    Nope. (1.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 06:52:00 PM EST
    Obtuse? You are defending a very nasty statement made by Repack. You have adopted it as your own when you wrote:

    mine was that he indulged in a tart and pleasant metaphor.

    You claim that a mean look at a terrorist is torture, yet Rove burning to death is a "pleasant metaphor."

    One more time. Explain to me what is pleasant about wishing someone burns to death.

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    You are (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by tnthorpe on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 07:38:48 PM EST
    this obtuse.

    Thanks for answering my question so emphatically.

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    No matter how you frame it, (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 06:39:53 PM EST
    wishing that someone burns to death is a horrible thought.

    Yet you can't seem to grasp it. That seems to indicate a very serious problem.

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    stop being (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by tnthorpe on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 06:42:50 PM EST
    petulant and foolish if possible.

    Your post is such utter nonsense and you simply debase the pixels your post takes up.

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    Then why do you cheer when it happens? (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Edger on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 06:44:34 PM EST
    That seems to indicate a very serious problem. Yet you can't seem to grasp it.


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    hehe (1.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 08:52:32 PM EST
    You can find no comment where I have condoned torture.

    In fact, I have so commented that do not condone torture and stated, as I have just recently shown from the archives, that such acts by our soldiers should be investigated, indicted, tried and punished(assuming conviction.)

    What you try to do is make torture all inclusive and make such laughable claims, such as,  information so obtained can't be true.

    And then you try to claim the high ground and to be more moral, and yet.....

    I can show a comment where tnthorpe has agreed with Repack on Rove burning to death, which you have tried to declare a "metaphor."

    Do you really think such a statement can actually be defended as a "metaphor?" And why did tnthorpe say he found it "tart" and "entertainment." I wonder what he found the beheadings by the radical Moslem terrorists to be?????

    You have become a joke, edger. Please keep up the attacks. They do so define you.

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    Lost your mind entirely now, I see. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Edger on Tue Nov 20, 2007 at 08:58:28 PM EST
    That's very sad. It was such a cute little thing, too.

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    Someone should tell Markos (none / 0) (#1)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 08:26:40 AM EST
    that Bush isn't running.

    ;-)

    Oh yes he is (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 08:39:24 AM EST
    and he will be running for quite a few elections in the foreseeable future.

    FDR and the Democrats ran against Hoover until Ike won. Reagan and Bush ran against Carter until President Clinton won.

    Democrats will be tying Bush and GOP incompetence around every Republican nominee' neck for a long time. Its the cross the GOP will just have to bear.

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    OK, (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun Nov 18, 2007 at 11:02:36 AM EST
     but neither is Reagan. If Republicans  want to keep invokng a popular past President from 20 years back ....

      Anyway, who didn't want to find out what a G.W. Bush v. W.J. Clinton campaign would be like? At least the surrogate campaign will likley be better then the real thing would have.

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    I agree (1.00 / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 09:51:16 AM EST
    Reagan is dead and gone and the Repubs need to quit using him as the yardstick for their candidates.

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