Where Does Edwards Stand On Drivers Licenses For Undocumented Aliens?

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 11:10:08 AM EST
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Via Cosbo, John Edwards continues to pound Hillary Clinton on her "doubletalk" while doing no talking himself on the issue. Where do you stand on the issue Senator Edwards? Are you for or against dirvers licenses for undocumented aliens? What do you think of the Spitzer Plan? At this point, even a little doubletalk on the issue from you would be welcome.

On a related note, I agree with Kos that challenges to the Democratic frontrunner on the issues is not only more than welcome, it is tardy. But make it on the issues. Alleged "doubletalk" is NOT a substantive issue. Here are some examples of issues that I think are substantive:

Why is Senator Clinton not pressing her colleagues to end the Iraq War by not funding it? Why does she continue to falsely claim the Senate needs 60 votes to not fund the Iraq Debacle?

Why did Senator Clinton vote for Kyl-Lieberman? Does she not agree with Senator Dodd that the Bush Administration can not be trusted?

Will Senator Clinton lead on a filibuster of the FISA telco amnesty? Not just vote for filibuster, will she LEAD it?

To name a few examples.

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Doubletalk? (5.00 / 2) (#15)
by Alien Abductee on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 02:18:58 PM EST

Why does everyone refer to what she said on the DL issue as doubletalk? It seemed perfectly clear to me - the feds won't resolve the immigration issue at its root, leaving the states to deal with the practical fallout as best they can. She supports Spitzer having to deal with the situation pragmatically but thinks it would be better to have a more comprehensive solution at the federal level, which she promises to do if elected. Where's the doubletalk in that? It sounds eminently sensible to me.

If Hillary actually started leading on both not funding Iraq and stopping telco immunity, well, I'd certainly be inclined to look a lot more kindly on her, Republican-lite though she is on so much else (e.g. health care).

not alleged (none / 0) (#1)
by Lora on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:00:12 PM EST

Alleged "doubletalk" is NOT a substantive issue.

You raise excellent issues, of course. But her doubletalk is real, not alleged. If it takes a rhetorician to figure out where she stands, there's something wrong with that picture, and it is as important as her actual stands on issues, that is, if you can figure out exactly what they are.

Alleged in the sense (none / 0) (#2)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:04:14 PM EST

that anyone actually beleives there are any STRAIGHT TALKING pols.

They do not exist. Period.


: Doesn't make it right (none / 0) (#18)
by Lora on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 08:14:36 PM EST

Just because every politician does it doesn't make it right. I don't think that should excuse her. Hillary does it rather more and better than the rest, it seems. I want to know what she means and if she'll act on what she means. I want to know that from all of them.

Well, how about that (none / 0) (#3)
by RedHead on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:04:23 PM EST

On a related note, I agree with Kos that challenges to the Democratic frontrunner on the issues is not only more than welcome, it is tardy

Welcome aboard.

Heh (none / 0) (#4)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:05:14 PM EST

Whatever. Remember, keep your personal attacks aimed at me exclusively.


You should be even handed. (none / 0) (#6)
by RedHead on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:13:48 PM EST

wag your finger when others "attempt" to attack me.

selective enforcements are unbecoming


I accept you criticism (none / 0) (#8)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:19:32 PM EST

Nonetheless, my finger is wagging at you now.


Pumpkinhead (none / 0) (#9)
by RedHead on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:25:11 PM EST

did you ever ask Peter Daou how in hell the Dems ever agreed to let Pumpkinhead moderate a debate.

His history in this area is completely negative - worse than Britt Hume.


I've told Peter a lot of things (none / 0) (#10)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:26:31 PM EST

One you doubt is that the worst mistake they ever made was voting for K-L.


: You're hearing me, but you're not listening. (none / 0) (#11)
by RedHead on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:39:15 PM EST

I accepted this earlier

I take this to mean you did so at another venue, perhaps under a different handle.
My argument is about your failure to hold Clinton accountable HERE, at this site.
Which you know acknowledge.

I agree with Kos that challenges to the Democratic frontrunner on the issues is not only more than welcome, it is tardy.
Why did Senator Clinton vote for Kyl-Lieberman?

Gosh, I'm powerful. I know Kos reads this site, he HAD to pick up my "why no scrutiny on Clinton" brief.
Heh!

been there, done that, (none / 0) (#5)
by cpinva on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:10:52 PM EST

just try and keep to the facts, and not the wildly inaccurate rants that you substitute for them routinely.

fair questions BTD, so send them to her. better yet, send them to the next debate. of course, getting a clear answer on just about anything requires, to some extent, having a crystal ball in hand, to tell you what's going to happen in the next year or two.

got one handy?

: I have pride in (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:19:00 PM EST

my crystal ball in fact.

Where Edwards stands (none / 0) (#12)
by LonewackoDotCom on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:44:44 PM EST

I don't know his position on DLs, but here's a quote from him: "We're going to ensure that every single person living in the United States of America has a completely achievable path to citizenship."

If you actually think about it - as he obviously hasn't - that's an insane position.

Note that he also pretends to oppose poverty, while at the same time supporting importing more of it.

: No one knows his position (none / 0) (#13)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 12:52:56 PM EST

Excellent statement of the issues. (none / 0) (#14)
by oculus on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 01:17:50 PM EST

Now, as I recall, Ms. Clinton justifies her vote in favor of K-L by stating it somehow encourages diplomacy. Not buying it. It do fervently wish she would advocate her colleagues pre-vote on the other two issues, not just cast a vote.

Oh boy!! (none / 0) (#16)
by RedHead on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 03:10:13 PM EST

I just logged on to Big Orange and I see Kos has been featuring Edwards "double speak ad, adding the tagline "devastating.' The post has generated 1200 comments in 3 1/2 hours !!

yikes. I had to turn my face. that was brutal. And I am completely ambivalent about Clinton.

And you thought I was being hard on Clinton for K-L.

They're lurching into shaking-fist-lazzo territory.

ps Edwards is This Week, Dodd on CNN, Tailgunner Fred is on MTP. will pumpkin-head ask him to explain why civil unions equals communism? no one hold their breath.

interesting that folks seem so interested (none / 0) (#17)
by edgery on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 05:37:42 PM EST

in what opinion a North Carolina former Senator would have on a New York Governor's driver's license plan for undocumented residents.

I don't recall that anyone asked him to comment on that, at all, Tuesday night.

But, I'm sure his opinion on that state-specific issue is way more important than pointing out what everyone else on stage had just witnessed--that the front-runner in the race to become the leader of the most powerful country in the world had managed to answer a yes-or-no question with a jumble of contradictory statements in less than 2 minutes.

Shades of George W....

: Tim Russeert asked them all (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Nov 02, 2007 at 09:04:56 PM EST

You Edwards folks are as unable to deal with the turth as any other supporters.