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Atrios Is Wrong: What Democrats Need To Do

Atrios gets this utterly wrong:

It's also clear that there are factions that are very wedded to the "what Democrats need to do" literature because they're interested not in simply winning elections but in remaking the Democratic party in their image. For some the 2006 election win was premature as the Democrats won without massively repositioning themselves, proving it was possible.

First, I hope all Dems are interested in remaking the Democratic Party in their image. Is that not why we care so much? The issues? The substance? The ideology? We want to transform the Democratic Party. I think it is perfectly fair for those who disagree with any particular view (Atrios means the DLC types here) to try and do the same thing. Let the debate rage on.

Second, the Democrats very much remade their image in the 2006 election. They became the anti-Iraq War Party. It is why they won. The Dems massively repositioned themselves. That they have failed to stick to their guns is another matter. But in 2006, the Dems fought against the war and stood up to Rove's "cut and run" nonsense.

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    Not only that (1.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Jgarza on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 12:17:35 PM EST
    Most of them at that time pledged not to cut off funding for it.  there is this myth that democrats ran on ending the war.  That's overly simplistic.

    They pledged to end the war (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 02:21:11 PM EST
    There is a myth running asround that they did not.

    Oh, it's you again. I am not surprised.

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    They did pledge to end it. (1.00 / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 02:29:51 PM EST
    But they lied.

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    They didn't become the anti-Iraq war party (none / 0) (#1)
    by Al on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 11:56:48 AM EST
    The Democrats' antiwar stance only lasted until the election. They told people what they wanted to hear, and it worked: They won a majority. Don't confuse that with fighting against the war. Talk is cheap.

    Remade their Image (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 12:02:27 PM EST
    Isn't (none / 0) (#4)
    by taylormattd on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 12:19:52 PM EST
    Atrios mostly talking about D.C. talking heads and pundits who routinely given concern troll advice to Democrats on the (now utterly false) premise that Republicans are always ascendant?

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 02:20:24 PM EST
    And they get to fight for their vision too.

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    Problem is (none / 0) (#11)
    by scarshapedstar on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 08:44:52 PM EST
    The DC consultants would be out of a job if the Democrats won in a landslide. They're just as excited about a 50-50 nation as Karl Rove was. You can't charge millions if you can't bill yourself as the only "strategist" who can pull off a win.

    At some point you have to admit that the professional election losers are not on our side and never have been.

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    Who's saying the Dems are the anti-Iraq war party? (none / 0) (#5)
    by ctrenta on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 01:53:13 PM EST
    ... And why do we still trust the Dems to end the war in Iraq?

    I've been a staunch supporter of the Democratic Party but in this day and age, how many times do you ask yourself, why am I still supporting this party?

    Many of them authorized a blank check to invade Afghanistan (Name one Dem who stood with Barbara Lee? Times up!).
    Many of them authorized the Patriot Act.
    Many of them authorized the invasion of Iraq.
    Many of them won't call for investigations into impeachment, despite the grevious and obvious abuses of power by the Bush Administration.

    As a Dem, I wonder why we continue to bury these harsh realities of our party and make excuses for their policy decisions? Where had the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party gone? Will it ever come back? Not for a long long time if we, the Democratic base continue to enable them instead of fighting them.

    Here's the latest example of the Democratic Party's absurdity. According to an article in Truthout.org, our party is about to approve the largest military budget in history and the Dems are likely to go with it. In fact, there are little or no alternatives to stop the funding. Maya Schenwar writes the following:

    " In the next few days, a Congressional conference committee will likely pass the largest defense spending bill in the history of the United States. Despite Democratic lawmakers' promises to stop issuing blank checks for war, the bill does not call for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq or Afghanistan, nor does it prevent military action against Iran.

    Though the current version of the defense budget does not contain funding specifically for the war, money could easily be drawn from the budget and funneled into war costs unless the language of the bill is changed to specifically prohibit that usage, which it currently does not.

    "A bridge fund is always possible," said OMB Watch policy analyst Adam Hughes, referring to a measure that would cordon off funds in the defense bill to be used only for war. "But even without it, they would have enough in the budget to sustain what's currently happening."

    Moreover, even if no baseline budget money is used for war costs, Congress plans to continue financing the war at the current rate, House Defense Appropriations Chairman John Murtha told the Congressional Quarterly on Wednesday night."

    Schenwar continues:

    Congress is currently operating on a "continuing resolution," or CR, which allows the war to be funded at the same levels it was funded last year. According to Murtha, Congress plans to renew the CR in mid-November, allowing war spending to continue unabated into the new year.

    No proposals to impose restrictions on CR funds have been announced. Last month, a group of Congress members pledged to add provisions for withdrawing all troops from Iraq to any future war funding legislation, but that plan will not apply to the CR, according to a spokesman for Congresswoman Barbara Lee, one of the crafters of the plan. "We're really waiting for the debate on the supplemental to bring that up," the spokesman said in an interview, adding that Lee will probably not vote for the upcoming CR if it includes more funds for war.

    Without a specific resolution barring all war funding, it would be virtually impossible for Congress to end the war by the power of the purse alone, according to Larry Korb, a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and a former assistant secretary of defense.

    "You've already got the planes, the bombs, the people on the payroll," Korb said in an interview. "Congress can't stop the war unless they pass a bill saying that no more money can be spent in Iraq."

    Do you really think the Dems are willing to do that? It's hard for me to conjure.

    IMO, this article is 100% accurate of the state of affairs in Washington and in the Democraitc Party and it's depressing. It's not a matter of whether or not the Dems have the votes. the question is do they really want to end it? Are they afraid of being called cowards? Are they afraid of being called unpatriotic? Do they fear it will hurt their reelection chances? Why?

    Amidst all the information we now know about the lead up to the war in Iraq, how the siutation in Iraq has ensued, and how this war has mde us look in the international community, why wouldn't the Dems take bold moves to end this occupation? If the Dems go along with this latest war funding this will be yet another slap in the face of the anti-war movement, the Iraq Veterans Against the War, Gold Star Mothers for Peace, and many more of us who are trying to restore the integrity this country's lost among other nations. It's gotten to a point where I wonder why do we put our faith in elected leaders when we should all put our faith, trust, and support to end it ourselves.

    This is why I feel the anti-war movement has its heart and minds in the right place (not the Democrats) and when this occupation comes to an end, we'll look back and realize it was citizens that stopped this occupation, not our elected leaders, and especially not the next elected president of the United States!

    "When a social movement adopts the compromises of legislators, it has forgotten its role, which is to push and challenge the politicians, not to fall in meekly behind them...Whatever politicians may do, let them first feel the full force of citizens who speak for what is right, not for what is winnable, in a shamefully timorous Congress." ~Howard Zinn, scholar and bestselling author of The People's History of the United States


    Re-make the Democratic Party? (none / 0) (#6)
    by HeadScratcher on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 02:06:42 PM EST
    Come on! If the Dems were serious about remaking the Democratic Party then Sen. Clinton wouldn't be leading the polls. She voted to authorize the Afghan and Iraq wars, voted for Kyl-Lieberman, stood by while her husband enacted NAFTA, Welfare Reform, put a retarded person to death, etc...She would be for universal health insurance instead of the hodge podge she's for...Come on...

    The only thing she is running on is the fact she's not a republican. While that may be good enough to win it doesn't remake the party. And Jeralyn supports her?

    Jeralyn has not endorsed (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 02:19:02 PM EST
    I support Dodd.

    Hillary is not evil.

    That is all.

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    Evil is a bit strong.... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 06, 2007 at 09:34:41 AM EST
    Hillary is just crooked.

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    your support (none / 0) (#12)
    by diogenes on Mon Nov 05, 2007 at 09:51:29 PM EST
    BTD-supporting Dodd is tilting at windmills.  I'm sure you know who is your SECOND choice-who is it???
    Who is your THIRD and FOURTH?