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Reply To A Defense Of WaPo's Spreading Lies About Obama

Peter Baker of the Washington Post blogs in defense of WaPo's spreading lies about Obama:

Two furors stoked by the blogosphere over the last 24 hours neatly illustrate the changing political climate in the United States these days and underscore the depths of suspicion, anger and hostility out there as the country tries to pick a new leader. . . . [L]iberal bloggers ripped The Washington Post for publishing a story on untrue rumors that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is secretly a Muslim. . . . [A]ny legitimate criticism and sober-minded discussion of the issues raised get drowned out by the loudest, most vituperative voices. The net result is not dialogue, but a contest of outrage.

That, my friends, is a textbook red herring. And, last I looked, CJR was not a vituperative liberal blogger and the CJR writer stated that "In The Washington Post this morning, reporter Perry Bacon Jr. wrote what may be the single worst campaign ‘08 piece to appear in any American newspaper so far this election cycle." And indeed, Baker has little substantively to say in defense of the WaPo story. This seems his best shot:

The reporter wrote the story because a voter in Iowa told him that Obama is a Muslim and he was struck that people remain so ill informed. . . . But somehow a story intended to debunk the false claims, trace their origin and explore the challenge they present the campaign in trying to quash them spawned a furious eruption among liberal bloggers accusing the Post of spreading the rumors.

This is disingenuous to say the least. I feel confident that the Obama campaign wasnot pleased with the story. Does Mr. Baker wonder why? Perhaps Lyndon Johnson can explain it:

[O]ne of Johnson’s favorite jokes is about a popular Texas sheriff running for reelection whose opponents decide to spread a rumor that he f[***]ks pigs: “We know he doesn’t, but let’s make the son of a bitch deny it.”

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    I read the whole story, too... (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by Jim Strain on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 02:05:38 PM EST
    and if this was really his intent:
    The reporter wrote the story because a voter in Iowa told him that Obama is a Muslim and he was struck that people remain so ill informed. . . . But somehow a story intended to debunk the false claims, trace their origin and explore the challenge they present the campaign in trying to quash them spawned a furious eruption among liberal bloggers accusing the Post of spreading the rumors.

    then Perry Bacon failed miserably.
    . . . jim

    Heh (1.00 / 1) (#2)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 10:01:05 AM EST
    Actually I have read the original article numerous times. And it does a reasonably good job of refuting the rumors, leaving out two factual charges, the no hand over the heart and the lapel pin, and failing to note that CAIR is a un-indicated co-conspirator in the Holy Land Fund investigation.

    The fact is that in today's world the MSM no longer sets the agenda, and this would not have gone away had the Post not published the article. That time left 20 years when the Internet and cable news hit.

    And as I noted in the last thread about this Left wing manufactured brush fire, if Hillary wants to play the woman card, and if Obama wants to play the "I understand the Moslem world card.." then he should expect some push back.

    Truth is that Hillary doesn't deserve the "woman" vote because she is a "woman" and Obama doesn't understand the third world and diplomacy. (See his ever shifting positions.)

    As for LBJ's infamous joke, in today's world his opponent would have a response on the 5 o'clock news that he had never had sex with any of the sherrif's supporters.

    An odd connection (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 06:13:50 PM EST
    Remember Ebonics? The notion of teaching English with a framework of "This is not how to speak... this is how to speak..." was mocked relentlessly.

    Oddly enough, it seems to be the same reasoning behind modern journalism. In the past, you'd simply write, "The sky is blue" regardless of whether some idiot claims the sky to be green. Whether this story would even be newsworthy is debatable, but apparently we live in unremarkable times (...) so anything goes. And we get front page stories like this:

    "The sky is green", said some idiot. Other idiots agree, and add that the sky always has been green, or that if it is not green it may be hiding its green nature.

    And then, on the jump to page A34, they add:

    However, the sky claims it is blue, and numerous investigations agree. Still, the controversy continues.

    Journalistic conventions no longer allow one to state unequivocally that the sky is blue. This didn't use to be a problem, because each market would have had multiple newspapers, and you could choose to read the "sky is blue" newspaper or the "sky is green" newspaper. But then media consolidation - not "cable and the internet" - came along, and we've been forced to endure retardo-journalism ever since.

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    hehe (1.00 / 0) (#15)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 08:22:17 PM EST
    "The sky is green", said some idiot. Other idiots agree,

    And if you run your life based on what idiots think you are in a "heap of trouble."

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    um (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jgarza on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 12:29:20 PM EST
    The fact is that in today's world the MSM no longer sets the agenda, and this would not have gone away had the Post not published the article. That time left 20 years when the Internet and cable news hit.

    And now that a respected newspaper has delved into these rumors, and made Obama deny them, of course never pointing out that all the rumors have been independently verified as false, the rumor is going to be gone?  Of course not they legitimized them.

    And as I noted in the last thread about this Left wing manufactured brush fire, if Hillary wants to play the woman card, and if Obama wants to play the "I understand the Moslem world card.." then he should expect some push back.

    Truth is that Hillary doesn't deserve the "woman" vote because she is a "woman" and Obama doesn't understand the third world and diplomacy. (See his ever shifting positions.)

    By some analysis, Hillary has certainly played the gender card, though she has never done anything to make me believe that she thinks she should get the female vote because she is a woman.  

    Obama's statements aren't just supposed to apply to the Muslim world, he makes the point that he has an international background.  If someone wants to dispute that, that is fine.  I don't understand how making that claim makes it fair game to make up this horse crap rumor, just like Hillary working to get the female vote doesn't justify a lesbian lie.

    As for LBJ's infamous joke, in today's world his opponent would have a response on the 5 o'clock news that he had never had sex with any of the sherrif's supporters.

    Um riiiiight??? I don't know what you were trying to say here, but it didint work.

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    hehe (1.00 / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 07:48:19 PM EST
    And now that a respected newspaper has delved into these rumors, and made Obama deny them


    Uh best I can tell it didn't make him deny them, it reported on the fact that he had denied them.

    There is, and you probably don't understand this, a vast difference in those two statements.

    Nonsense. He doesn't have an international background, he spent some time overseas as a child. That, and $7.50, will get you a nice Kendall Jackson glass of cab.

    I don't know what you were trying to say here,

    I should have known you weren't capable of catching on....

    The point is s i m p l e.... In today's world the candidate has immediate access to a huge number of media outlets. If Obama can't stand a little criticism, even false criticism, how can he stand up to our enemies??

    You and him causes me to break out that old plea...

    Want some cheese with that whine??

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    Washington Post is not a rumor blog (5.00 / 0) (#22)
    by Jgarza on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 02:22:22 PM EST
    The point is s i m p l e.... In today's world the candidate has immediate access to a huge number of media outlets. If Obama can't stand a little criticism, even false criticism, how can he stand up to our enemies??

    Where do you come up with this crap? The point is that a national newspaper is not a tabloid, and has a responsibility to report responsibly,and not partake in dirty political tricks against candidates. I have never been bothered by the false criticism being out there, my problem is a newspaper that is supposed to be above rumor and innuendo, devoting front page space to it.


    Nonsense. He doesn't have an international background, he spent some time overseas as a child. That, and $7.50, will get you a nice Kendall Jackson glass of cab.

    Um You mentioned internationalism.. so surprise you had to through in some wine cliche.  I bet you thought freedom fries were clever.

    Want some cheese with that whine??

    Seriously did some one tell your bad cliches, help mask poor arguments?  

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    Huh?? (1.00 / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 05:53:05 PM EST
    The fact is that the Post's article was about the rumors and the fact that Obama had denied them. Reporting on them was not an act of a tabloid, but of a paper reporting the facts about the campaign of a man who would run for Pres.

    If he, and you, can't stand that, God help you if the Right gets on you like the Left has Bush..

    Seriously did some one tell your bad cliches, help mask poor arguments?

    No, they didn't. You?? Anyway:

    The Devil made me do it. ;-)

    I note that you don't try and refute my point that Obama has zero experience in international affairs.

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    Rumors fly on the internet (none / 0) (#11)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 05:41:32 PM EST
    Some say that PPJ considers "We Built This City On Rock And Roll", by Jefferson Starship, to be the greatest song of all time.

    "His musical taste really is alarmingly bad, and if he doesn't get out in front of this, he's going to lose all credibility in the TalkLeft community", said one comment. "I've already decided I'm never going to vote for him if he runs for anything", said another.

    Others, however, say that this may not be true. One thing's for certain: if PPJ remains silent on this issue, the American people will be shocked and disappointed.

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    The best defense (1.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 08:20:36 PM EST
    is always a good offense..

    Let me add this. I don't give a 7(6w35q165 what the TalkLeft whoevers think...

    ;-)

    Because as in Obama's case, you can never convince nutcases of anything but what they blindly believe.

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    LOL (1.00 / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 08:23:35 PM EST
    CAIR us an un-indicted co-conspirator.

    I need say no more.

    So?? (1.00 / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 09:22:37 AM EST
    The government has indicated that it will re-try, as it has been known to do when other cases ended in a mistrial.

    Perhaps CAIR will insist that it be indicted and tried.

    In the meantime it remains an un-indicted co-conspirator.

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    So?? (1.00 / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 06:00:44 PM EST
    Again what is your point??

    CAIR remais an un-indicted co-conspirator.

    Something there you don't understand??

    hehe

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    In Your Mind Only (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 06:09:08 PM EST
    Along with a whole lot of other GOP nonsense.

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    The WaPo Pigs (none / 0) (#1)
    by koshembos on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 08:37:57 AM EST
    A substantive and honest discussion is built on top of an assumption of basic decency and acting responsibly. Publishing rumors is not new, does not serve honest discussion and lacks basic decency. In addition, publishing damaging rumors about Democrats only is even worse.

    This supposedly earnest demeanor of this guy Baker is nothing short of lipstick on pigs lips.

    your measured, polite, sensible (none / 0) (#5)
    by seabos84 on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 01:23:10 PM EST
    responses are part of the reason these lying #$%^ing pieces of #$it get away with their willie horton / swiftboat crud.

    until we got some dems who are willing to fight to completely ruin the repuation and career of those who spread lies (the roves, atewaters, ailes, this idiot reporter ...)

     fight fire with fire

    we're gonna keep getting blindsided and whomped by these liars, cuz

    they are their minions are liars.

    they've been lying about everything since ... they opposed child labor laws 100 years ago? they will ALWAYS lie. period.

    when are we gonna have some leaders who stop it?

    when we stop supporting wimps.

    rmm.

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    i believe jim was implying (none / 0) (#7)
    by cpinva on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 02:19:01 PM EST
    Um riiiiight??? I don't know what you were trying to say here, but it didint work.

    that he resembled a swine, but had never had sex with the sheriff's opponents.

    i could be wrong.

    "my opponent is a known, open and notorious heterosexual! is that the kind of person you want in a leadership position?"

    sadly, the majority of the electorate will never get this, and the opponent will spend millions attempting to educate them.

    I bow to your obvious (1.00 / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 08:25:26 PM EST
    expertise in sex with swines....

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    You mean Texas wasn't part of the (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 06:04:18 PM EST
    "south...."

    Who knew??

    But since you joined in I assume that you know something about the subject.

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    So you also know about (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 08:52:32 AM EST
    hunting swine as well??

    You are truly a Renaissance man.

    hehe

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    Come on (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 06:22:34 PM EST
    So you now have made all these comments about something you know nothing about??

    Heck, that isn't unusual...

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    If you commented?? (none / 0) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:13:49 AM EST
     
    (I)dodn't know that much about swine (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Dark Avenger on Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 09:2

    You just did.

    hehe

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    Well, based on your (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 06:23:29 PM EST
    previous comment you learned nothing...

    Heck, that's not news.

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    Really??? (1.00 / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:18:53 AM EST
    If you would read the post... gasp!!! which I know is not your usual method of operating.... you will discover that it is Big Tent who brought the subject up...

    But don't take my word.... just go to the top of the page and READ.


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    The madrassa story is OLD NEWS (none / 0) (#8)
    by lilybart on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 03:33:45 PM EST
    so there was no reason for the Post to mention it now at all.

    Unless it served another purpose for someone.

    "O say can you seeeeeeeeee....!" (none / 0) (#9)
    by chemoelectric on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 04:42:34 PM EST
    I've got my fingers in my ears and it's your fault.

    I emailed P. Bacon (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jgarza on Sat Dec 01, 2007 at 04:43:21 PM EST
    and at 12:40 am the next night i got this:

    The story clearly and repeatedly cites obama"s christian faith. Pb