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GOP Stands With Bush On Iraq: Pelosi Surprised

Via The Termite, Speaker Pelosi said yesterday that:

. . . [S]he had underestimated the willingness of Republicans to stand behind President Bush’s Iraq policy despite the drubbing the GOP took in the polls in 2006. "The assumption I made was that the Republicans would soon see the light," she said. Instead, the minority stuck to the president’s war policy in the face of unrelenting pressure from congressional Democrats and powerful lobbying campaigns by anti-war groups. "That was a revelation to me, because I felt the American peoples' voices were so strong and still are in this regard that I hoped that with some compromise and reaching out there might be some change in direction," Pelosi said. "But they are sticking with the president on this."

No kidding. Who would have predicted that?. But do not feel bad Madame Speaker, you had good company waiting for the Godot Republicans. Frank Rich, liberal bloggers and the much vaunted Move On. None of us has much to be proud about in all this. The question is have we learned our lesson? Are Dems in Congress ready to not fund the Iraq Debacle? I hope so. Then again, perhaps I am as naive about the Democrats as Speaker Pelosi has been about the Republicans.

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    Pelosi Surprised? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Edger on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:20:18 PM EST
    At what? At her own transparency? At the fact that people aren't as stupid as she thinks they are?

    How will (or can) we hold Pelosi accountable? (none / 0) (#6)
    by ctrenta on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:58:56 PM EST

    ... and I don't mean electing Cindy Sheehan (God forbid) but there's got to be something we should consider doing that will send a strong message to the way she (and I'd add Harry Reid in there) is kowtowing to the Republicans.

    Seriously folks. She's been an abysmal failure on all levels. What's the best thing we can do to stop her or make her stand up to the GOP? The only thing I can think of is strip her of her leadership role in 2009. Any other suggestions? Do you really think things are going to get better under her watch? I don't think so anymore.

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    Human Growth Hormone? Steroids? (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:04:20 PM EST
    Heh!!! (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:10:54 PM EST
    Human growth hormone?

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    HUMANE growth hormone... (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Dadler on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:28:07 PM EST
    ...is what they all need.

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    Well, I think you know what I think (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Edger on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:09:52 PM EST
    Make democratic candidates reps and senators pressure her and Reid into doing what needs to be done, by making it clear to them that people will only vote for results, not for promises.

    Maybe (this is the hold your nose part) she also needs to be guaranteed a pardon for any and all criminal complicity in war crimes if a democratic president is elected next year, to remove her fear of whatever it is that I think Bush is blackmailing her with, to give her some added incentive to do what needs to be done.

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    Good answer... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ctrenta on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 06:17:22 PM EST

    but what about HGH's?

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    You think they would help? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Edger on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 08:04:02 PM EST
    Paranoid comment of the month (1.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:33:20 AM EST
     
    to remove her fear of whatever it is that I think Bush is blackmailing her with,


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    Surprised AND disappointed (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Maryb2004 on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:42:43 PM EST
    "The grassroots are justifiably disappointed and I am too that we have not done more to end this war," Pelosi said.

    Done more?  I wonder what she thinks they have done?

    I don't know whether she's trying to fool us (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:51:29 PM EST
    or make excuses for her own self-delusion.  

    And, when she says crap like this:

    "The grassroots are justifiably disappointed and I am too that we have not done more to end this war," Pelosi said.

    She has no one but herself to blame for the war continuing.  As Speaker, if she does not want something to happen in the House (like, um, say, appropriations for something unpopular or anti-Democratic-policy), it doesn't have to happen.  There is no irresistible momentum toward a result she does not want.  All it takes is her saying one of the shorter words in the English language:  "No."

    She's proven she understands that, in blocking the most merited, deserved impeachments in the entire history of the United States.  She doesn't want it, and it doesn't happen.

    Frankly, what I think has happened is that the Preznit has used his considerable charm and seductiveness toward women on her (haven't you ever noticed that, for whatever reason, all the women around him seem to go to Jell-o), and she fell for it.

    That, or she's a blooming idiot and should never have been elected to Congress in the first place, let alone to be Speaker.

    What a disturbing image (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Maryb2004 on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:05:16 PM EST
    Frankly, what I think has happened is that the Preznit has used his considerable charm and seductiveness toward women on her (haven't you ever noticed that, for whatever reason, all the women around him seem to go to Jell-o), and she fell for it.

    I'd rather think of her as a blooming idiot.  

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    Remember how proud we were. Very first (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:18:40 PM EST
    female Speaker of the House.  Hugely disappointing.

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    ah well (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Maryb2004 on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:35:30 PM EST
    I'm still glad she broke that glass ceiling.

    But sometimes the skills that help someone break through aren't the same skills needed to excell at the game that goes on above.  

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    Is Peter Principle a gender-neutral term? (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:00:55 PM EST
    Evidently (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:07:56 PM EST
    It is a disturbing image, but (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:47:38 PM EST
    look at the way things around him work - Karen Hughes, Condi Rice, Angie Merkel, etc., etc.  All seeming to have folded like so many lawn chairs and turned into his little Stepford droids when confronted with him and his persuasive skills.

    And it's not because he's a great intellect, either.

    So, go backwards from the effects to find a common cause, and there it is.  Women turn to Jell-o before him.

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    Merkel Was Pissed (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:26:37 PM EST
    When he pulled the backrub bit. It didn't help his international image as village idiot especially coupled with his comments to lapdog Blair.

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    Really... (none / 0) (#20)
    by desertswine on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:35:00 PM EST
    especially as the food was just dropping out of his mouth.

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    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:40:33 PM EST
    I forgot that part. What an idiot..... as if he cared.

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    There's a quote about a strategy and tactic (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:02:15 PM EST
    the Rove used that might explain those "persuasive skills".

    Maybe they weren't limited to being used by Rove:

    "Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. "We will f*ck him. Do you hear me? We will f*ck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever f*cked him!" As a reporter, you get around--curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events--but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. "Come on in." And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour."
    --Ron Suskind, Why Are These Men Laughing?

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    I doubt it. (1.00 / 1) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 08:41:13 AM EST
    Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. "Come on in." And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour."

    When I first read that, I think in '04, I couldn't help but wonder. Here we have Rove, a skilled political operative, supposedly losing it and screaming vulgarities in front of a member of the press.

    It doesn't compute.

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    The newly elected Dems? (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Lora on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 04:51:43 PM EST
    from the article:

    Democrats thus are ending their first year in power without producing the major Iraq policy change that had been a major selling point to voters in 2006.

    What did those newly elected Dems do?  Anything good?

    What did those newly elected Dems do? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Edger on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 11:20:27 AM EST
    Anything?

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    I'd forgotten how long we weren't (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by andgarden on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 05:01:42 PM EST
    all on the same page about this.

    Some people CONTINUE to defend the "strategy."

    Thanks for putting it all together again.

    Sooooo ... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by chemoelectric on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 06:29:21 PM EST
    ... it's not Nancy's fault, it's those 'Republicans' did it.

    "no matter how cynical you become, (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by cpinva on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 07:44:46 PM EST
    it's impossible to keep up."

    can't think of her name at the moment, dammit!

    it's a sad day when i turn out to be more cynical than a seasoned politician. or maybe it's just democratic seasoned politicians. oh well.

    i always assumed, knowing me as well as i do, that not entering the public political domain was a good thing, for me and everyone else. i am a national/international incident, looking for a place to happen. i also assumed, much to my chagrin, that my intellectual betters would carry the banner in my stead.

    it turns out, i was wrong. i coulda been a contender!

    damn!

    Heard this unreal, discouraging report (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:21:05 PM EST
    on NPR's Morning Edition today:

    Senate leaders would like to wrap up debate Tuesday, though GOP conservatives may balk, unhappy with spending above Bush's budget and a secretive process that produced a 1,482-page bill that includes plenty of legislative pork.

    Nobody seemed thrilled with the catchall spending plan that House leaders rushed to a vote late Monday.

    Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) sounded resigned that Democrats did not get all they had hoped for from the appropriations process.

    But he said the compromise was inescapable given the president's repeated veto threats of the Democrat's plan to spend $22 billion more than the White House domestic budget request.

    "I have observed that this president thought his budget sent down on tablets, not paper," Hoyer said.

    House Democrats did draw the line on war spending. The omnibus bill has $31 billion for Afghanistan, but prohibits money from being used for operations in Iraq.

    The Senate is expected to add money for Iraq when it takes up the spending bill as early as Tuesday.

    President Bush cited progress on what he called a fiscally sound budget and indicated he could sign the bill as long as it includes funding for Iraq with no strings attached.

    To meet the president's spending cap, Democrats shifted some $6 billion away from programs the White House favored. Defense, foreign aid and military base construction accounts were shaved to boost housing, education and health care, among other things. The measure also includes some $7 billion in emergency funding for veterans health care, border security and drought relief.

    The late-session deal after months of confrontation could be costly to both sides, even though the president appears to have the upper hand at the moment, according to James Thurber, director of the Center for Congressional and Presidential Studies at American University.

    "I think the American people are showing their ire by their evaluation of the president as well as (the) institution of Congress. They're both in the high 20s now, which is a historic" low, Thurber said.

    Democrats do not have the two-thirds majority they need to override a presidential veto, and they lack the 60 votes needed to prevent Republican filibusters in the Senate.

     {Emphasis added.]

    Pelosi, poor thing (none / 0) (#5)
    by judyo on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:56:21 PM EST
    Vampires shun "the light".

    Naive (none / 0) (#7)
    by Al on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 03:59:48 PM EST
    Then again, perhaps I am as naive about the Democrats as Speaker Pelosi has been about the Republicans.

    I'm afraid so.

    There it is and (none / 0) (#28)
    by jpete on Tue Dec 18, 2007 at 10:33:29 PM EST
    I weep.

    NRO sums up (none / 0) (#32)
    by Slado on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 12:42:42 PM EST
    the Pelosi congress and why she is consistenly losing to Republicans.

    That is intelligent analysis in wingnuttia? (none / 0) (#33)
    by Edger on Wed Dec 19, 2007 at 12:54:26 PM EST
    "She's a loser because she's a loser to a loser" is about what it boils down to...

    They don't have much regard for their readers, do they?

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