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Obama's Answer On Protecting The Privacy Of Victims of Sex Crimes

Jerome Armstrong brings us Obama's answer on his present vote (the only legislator NOT to vote in favor of it) on an Illinois law to protect the privacy of victims of sex crimes:

What do you think of it?

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    His Website Has His Answer (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 11:50:12 AM EST
    Why couldn't he remember when asked on tv?

    HB 854 -- OBAMA VOTED PRESENT BECAUSE A BILL WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    Obama Voted Present On The Floor And In Committee On A Bill That Would Seal Sexual Assault Victims' Court Records; Illinois Press Association And Obama Argued That The Bill Was Unconstitutional. Obama voted present on a bill to amend the Criminal Identification Act by allowing certain assault victims to petition to have their court records sealed, only to be opened for public inspection if good cause is shown. Under the bill the trials involving sex crimes would remain open, but upon a conviction, a victim of a sex crime could ask a state's attorney to petition a judge to seal the records of the case. If the judge agreed, the public could not open those records unless someone petitioned the court and showed good cause. The State Journal-Register reported, "But the Illinois Press Association argued that the measure violates the First Amendment. The U.S. Constitution does not allow judges to seal the records of trials that have been held in open court, said association attorney Don Craven. Besides, Craven argued, the legislation does not allow defendants the same opportunity if they're found not guilty. And there's no indication what would happen to the case files if the verdict were appealed. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Chicago, agreed that the bill probably wouldn't pass constitutional muster, although he said it's not unusual for his colleagues to pass such measures to show political resolve." [91st GA, HB 0854, 5/11/99, 3R P; 58-0-1; State Journal-Register, 4/28/99]

    3 Of The 4 Democrats On The Judiciary Committee Voted Present On This Bill. In committee, Senators Shadid and Silverstein joined Obama in voting Present on HB 854. [91st GA, HB 854, Jud Committee, 7-0-3, 4/28/99]



    First of all (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 11:52:22 AM EST
    The bill is not unconstitutional.

    His legal reasoning is specious.

    Second, has it been ruled unconstitutional?

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    Unconstitutional (none / 0) (#6)
    by BDB on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:24:05 PM EST
    I don't think the bill is unconstitutional either.

    But if I did, I'd like to think that I would vote "no" and not "present."   He couldn't stand up and simply say that he agreed with the goal of the bill, but thought it was unconstitutional?  Present is no in Illinois, as I understand it, it's just a more easily obscured no.

    I think Obama's answer is terrible because it makes him look weak and craven at the same time.  He can't bring himself to vote no because he doesn't want to take responsibility for it.

    I've said all along that I thought this line of attack was the most effective against Obama.  I think so because unlike the other attacks that feel kind of random, this one carries with it a narrative that undermines all of Obama's pretty talk - that he's nothing but talk, that he's more concerned with getting along than fighting for the right things, that he'd be weak against the GOP, that he's just another politician.

    I don't think that's entirely fair, just as I don't think the narratives that have been pushed about Clinton (lying triangulator) or Edwards (angry pretty boy) are fair.  But narratives are always more damaging than individual attacks.

    I am surprised that Obama didn't have a better answer.  It doesn't actually have to be convincing, but it needs to sound convincing.  It did not.  He got very lucky that the interviewer didn't push more because that's the kind of answer that doesn't put an end to an issue, it puts blood in the water.  

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    Attorney Craven (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 11:53:51 AM EST
    would be wrong imo:

    But the Illinois Press Association argued that the measure violates the First Amendment. The U.S. Constitution does not allow judges to seal the records of trials that have been held in open court, said association attorney Don Craven.


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    Oh Please (none / 0) (#8)
    by BDB on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:30:41 PM EST
    Things get sealed and redacted from hearings and trials in open court all the time.  Craven is full of crap.  

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    Have you ever known a media attorney to (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:49:39 PM EST
    argue, you know, your honor, you are absolutely right.  Don't let the media attend the hearing, etc.

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    Never (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:58:45 PM EST
    Obama was not a Media attorney.

    He was a legislator.

    BTW, on THIS law I would not have advised the MEdia Association to take a position.

    They covered the trial.

    I do not see an interest in the records GENERALLY.

    If there is a SPECIFIC interest, then good cause could be shown.

    This is not a big MEDIA issue.

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    Plus, the law required the (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 01:28:50 PM EST
    victim to petition the court to request the record be sealed.  

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    he didn't answer the question (none / 0) (#1)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 11:47:10 AM EST
    It sounded like he didn't remember the specific bill or what he found wanting in it. He answered by saying sometimes his present votes meant he supported the bill but there was a flaw in it -- he didn't say that was the case with this bill.

    how rare this is (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jgarza on Sun Dec 23, 2007 at 01:00:37 AM EST
    but i agree with you completely he didn't answer the question and sounded like he didn't remember it

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    Obama's full response (none / 0) (#5)
    by joejoejoe on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 11:57:22 AM EST
    HB 854 -- OBAMA VOTED PRESENT BECAUSE A BILL WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

    Obama Voted Present On The Floor And In Committee On A Bill That Would Seal Sexual Assault Victims' Court Records; Illinois Press Association And Obama Argued That The Bill Was Unconstitutional. Obama voted present on a bill to amend the Criminal Identification Act by allowing certain assault victims to petition to have their court records sealed, only to be opened for public inspection if good cause is shown. Under the bill the trials involving sex crimes would remain open, but upon a conviction, a victim of a sex crime could ask a state's attorney to petition a judge to seal the records of the case. If the judge agreed, the public could not open those records unless someone petitioned the court and showed good cause. The State Journal-Register reported, "But the Illinois Press Association argued that the measure violates the First Amendment. The U.S. Constitution does not allow judges to seal the records of trials that have been held in open court, said association attorney Don Craven. Besides, Craven argued, the legislation does not allow defendants the same opportunity if they're found not guilty. And there's no indication what would happen to the case files if the verdict were appealed. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Chicago, agreed that the bill probably wouldn't pass constitutional muster, although he said it's not unusual for his colleagues to pass such measures to show political resolve." [91st GA, HB 0854, 5/11/99, 3R P; 58-0-1; State Journal-Register, 4/28/99]

    Full info on HB854 from the IL Legislature including text.

    Was he supposed to say all of the above in a soundbite on Morning Joe?

    Obama gave a general answer to a specific question. That's always a weak move but it's a move that politicians use every day, all day, when they don't want to get into the weeds on an obscure detail. It's legit to criticize Obama for flubbing an answer but the substance of the issue in in his answer above. Again, it's legit to say Obama made a bad call on his "present" vote on this issue but do so on the merits, not a 2-minute segment on Morning Joe.

    Follow UP (none / 0) (#7)
    by BDB on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:27:11 PM EST
    Even if he gave that answer, then isn't the obvious follow up, "if you thought it was unconstitutional or wrong, then why didn't you simply vote against it?  Why vote present and not no?"

    That's the hard question for him, in my opinion.  Now, given his media darling status, will anyone ask him?

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    That answer is extremely unsatisfactory to me (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:31:48 PM EST
    I'm no lawyer + ramblings (none / 0) (#12)
    by joejoejoe on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:54:16 PM EST
    I'll let the lawyers hash out the correctness of Obama's reasoning. I often miss a lot of important detail in the legal arguments because I don't know precedent or how things interrelate. The Kelo case  taught me as a layman that it's difficult to grasp the complexity of some issues without knowing all the relevant case law -- which I guess is why lawyers exist in the first place.

    Obama gave a pol's answer to the question on TV and that's not praise.

    As for constitutionality, doesn't it take a legal challenge to the law for courts to rule on it one way or the other? It's an obscure provision relating to sexual assault cases. The IL Press group could have issued a press release at the time of passage and then never found a real world case that was suitable to challenge in open court (or didn't think it merited the legal expenses). This provision has been on the books for 8 years but that doesn't say anything about constitutionality if it's never been challenged and rarely been used.

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    Precisely (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:56:59 PM EST
    But if Obama's objection was the constitutionality then the vote is NO.

    HE was trying to have it both ways.

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    Working relationships in a legislature (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by joejoejoe on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 02:04:53 PM EST
    I've been reading up on "present" votes and I see a lot of legislators casting "present" votes in lieu of a "yes" or "no" vote as a means of saying "I respect the work of the process but I'm not going down this road". That's pretty nuanced but I think it's a legit response and a means of maintaining better working relations within the legislature.

    I've found a "present" votes by Rep. Jane Harman cast because the process in the Intelligence Committee was too partisan, a "present" vote by Sen. Mary Landrieu in the Energy Committee on the nomination of Energy Secretary as a means of protesting the administrations inaction on Gulf recovery, a "present" vote by Sens. Leahy and Kennedy advancing a  judicial nomination in committe, a "present" vote by Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz on a House resolution recognizing Christians and Christmas, 72 "present" votes on a House resolution condemning President Clinton for pardoning FALN members in 1999. Rep. Gerald Ford voted "present" on his own nomination to be VP. "Present" votes are a common and uncontroversial part of the US Congress.

    I just don't see why the press is treating "present" votes as some kind of shady feature of the Illinois Senate. Sen. Clinton knows better than to call "present" votes "maybe" votes. She opposed the FALN pardons granted by her husband. If Hillary Clinton was in the House at the time should she have voted along with the Gingrich GOP condeming her husband for supporting terrorists? Voted against and been called a "flip flopper"? "Present" is a legit option in complicated matters.

    To me "present" votes are just another tool in the legislative toolbox. As I read it Obama isn't against privacy for sexual assault victims, he's against passing laws with constitutional errors. "Present" allows him to note dissent without endorsing the idea of less privacy. A "present" vote CAN be a dodge but so can a "yay" or "nay" vote. Look how Senators vote for cloture and then against final passage. If they REALLY wanted to oppose something they would vote against cloture.

    If I was Obama I'd hit back on the meaning of a "yes" vote for the AUMF/Iraq. Senator Clinton somehow didn't support the Iraq War when she voted  "Yes" something called 'Authorization of the use of Military Force in Iraq'.

    We can sit here debating this like we're Norm Ornstein and care about the legislative process but in reality this is entirely about politics, not process.

    Nobody REALLY cares about "present" votes.

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    Apparently some do (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:32:20 PM EST
    And this PRESENT vote remains unexplained.

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    It's fully explained (none / 0) (#27)
    by joejoejoe on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:20:32 PM EST
    I'll stipulate Obama gave a politician's answer in the clip. Asked a specific question, he gave a general answer that was vaguely non-responsive. I can't parse his motives but from a purely political standpoint it's a high stakes game at the moment and the desire not to get into the weeds and make a gaffe is probably high with every candidate. That's a mark against Obama.

    Now on to the merits. I'll use you as an example here because I know you care about the legal argument far more than most people who are discussing this 8-year old vote.

    Obama posted his reasoning for the "present" vote on his website with some corroborating reporting from an IL newspaper that reported his thoughts contemporary to the vote.

    You, BTD, can either A) accept Obama's word and reasoning, B) accept Obama's word and reject his reasoning, C) reject Obama's statement as incomplete and seek further clarification, or D) reject Obama as dishonest.

    All 4 choices are legit in my view. You as an attorney might pick C) because you really care about the law. I'm happy you do that. But picking C) AND D) again and again isn't about debating the merits of the legal argument, it's about creating a circular system to keep a story with negative connotations alive in the media in the days before an election. THAT'S what I mean when I say nobody cares about a vote of "present". I should have said "few people care about this vote, many people care about building up/tearing down their respective candidate a few days before the election".

    Do you honestly believe that Sen. Clinton thinks a vote of "present" means "maybe" when greybeards like Sen. Leahy and Sen. Kennedy cast "present" votes all the time? I'm not saying it's unfair to talk about Obama's "present" votes, I'm saying her view on "present" votes is shaped by her desire to find an issue to diminish Obama's lead in Iowa. She's exploiting people who lack a detailed knowledge of the system to make a "present" vote out to be something nefarious when it's fairly commonplace. Like a 'yes' or 'no' vote, a 'present' vote can show somebody avoiding making a  hard choice. It all depends on the circumstances.

    A week before the election we're supposed to see Obama's "present" vote on an obscure piece of state legislation as evidence not to vote for him but Clinton's "yes" vote on the AUMF/Iraq is evidence that she's up to making "hard choices"?

    Please. This is ALL about politics. It's good politics for Clinton but if there are 5 people who cared about the subject of "present" votes before they were wrapped up and served on a plate by the Clinton campaign I'd be shocked.

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    I hate to say it (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:28:41 PM EST
    You, BTD, can either A) accept Obama's word and reasoning, B) accept Obama's word and reject his reasoning, C) reject Obama's statement as incomplete and seek further clarification, or D) reject Obama as dishonest.

    But at this point my answer is D.

    What I think is Obama was trying to curry favor with the Media WITHOUT voting against the bill.

    He was triangulating. And of course now D is what he must do.

    He is a pol after all.

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    That's fine (none / 0) (#30)
    by joejoejoe on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:45:48 PM EST
    Everybody makes their own judgements. My only problem with this "present" debate is the misrepresentation of the concept of the "present" vote itself. It's a useful tool in legislating. It's not always a dodge. To me a "present" vote is like an objection in a courtroom, with similar utility and potential for abuse.

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    I wrote no posts on it (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:15:59 PM EST
    I wrote one comment on it in which I disclosed that I listened to the Clinton conference on it, was duly unimpressed and said it meant little to me.

    I wrote about Obama's ANSWER as evidenced in the youtube clip.

    I posted without comment.

    I now commented in my thread in response to other answers.

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    I meant the 'present' debate in the media (none / 0) (#34)
    by joejoejoe on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 09:54:26 PM EST
    I have no problem with what you have written. If you have an agenda, you always state it. I don't believe you ever have ulterior motives when you write and I'd defend you against any who make that charge.

    I just find it comical that the NYT is quoting political science professors from U of IL/Springfield saying "This is an option that does not exist in every state and reflects Illinois political culture." The option of voting "present" exists in the US Congress, it's not some obscure provision in Illinois! Ten House members voted "present" 9 days before the NYT published their big story on Obama's "present" votes. I'd just like to see a little more context about the option of "present" votes in legislatures....like the one Sen. Clinton and Obama serve in today.

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    D It Is (none / 0) (#31)
    by BDB on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:46:14 PM EST
    It's Occam's razor, as far as I'm concerned.  None of the explanations he's offered make any sense.  

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    Other Legislators (none / 0) (#17)
    by BDB on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 02:59:27 PM EST
    Plus, most legislatures have lawyers on staff to advise about the constitutionality of a law.  They usually work very hard on bills to make sure they will survive court challenges.  And if there's a real question about it, there's usually more than one legislator who votes against the bill on that grounds.

    The idea that Obama was the one honest man in the legislature who thought this was unconstitutional seems hard to believe.   That he thought the best way to make this point was to vote "present" and not "no" is even harder to believe.

    With the exception of the votes where the Democrats all voted present as a block to protest budgets, none of Obama's explanations make much sense.  Even the Planned Parenthood explanation doesn't hold up to scrutiny in my opinion because Obama wasn't in a tight district, he represented a solid democratic district and so it should've have been an issue.  He was one of the people abortion rights supporters needed to vote to cover for folks who were in genuinely close districts.

    The only explanation that makes any sense for most of his present votes is political expediency.  I think voters generally understand that all politicians do this kind of thing to a certain extent.  Even so, it's difficult for any politician to get away with admitting it.  It's even harder for Obama who has tried to position himself as better than "politics as usual."  

    So he's stuck.  He can't tell the truth about the votes and any other explanation isn't going to make sense.  It's one of the hazards of being a politician running an anti-politics campaign.   Because, you know, politicians usually practice politics.

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    As BDB Asks (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 12:39:24 PM EST
    So why didn't he just vote no. BTW- He could have answered that it was unconstitutional. If asked why, answered because it was a public trial and the defendant did not also get the right.

    Not too many words to answer if that was why he voted "present" answer.

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    Please god bring back John Kerry (none / 0) (#18)
    by andgarden on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 03:05:52 PM EST
    Has Obama never given a TV interview before?

    Political GobblieGook (none / 0) (#19)
    by MO Blue on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 04:32:43 PM EST
    His statement in the video clip contained a lot of words but did not answer the question asked.

    IMO Obama has yet to display the strong leadership skills we will need to turn this country around.

    In case he wants to turn the country around; do he (none / 0) (#21)
    by koshembos on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:56:39 PM EST
    Sorry fr that; does he? (none / 0) (#25)
    by koshembos on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:44:06 PM EST
    the bill was facially unconstitutional (none / 0) (#20)
    by allwrits on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 05:55:44 PM EST
    BTD:

    Again, you're getting desperate to slime BHO.  There are both 1st, 6th & 14th Amend. problems with the bill.  Additionally, it will invariably lead to the further incarceration and/or execution of persons who may be factually innocent.  

    I would remind you it was ACCESS to transcripts and court records that have lead to journalism students freeing in Ill.  freeing the Ford Heights Four, something that would have been impossible if the bill had been law in 1996.  The Ford Heights Four were freed BECAUSE the records of the sex assault / murder were public.

    I should note that journalism students working with publicly available court records also cleared another death row inmate (Porter-1999), and are responsible for leading the effort in obtaining a pardon of yet another death row inmate (Patterson -- 2003).  Student journalists' work has also been cited by the Innocence Project in noncapital exonerations in Illinois.  

    So let me not demagogue the issue, which one of the Ford Heights Four -- or a similarly situated person -- should Obama have effectively voted to kill?  In 1999 that reality would have been in the back of his mind as Porter had just been released at the time of the vote.

    I'm open to hear the argument (none / 0) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:29:53 PM EST
    Explain to me how the bill is facially violative of the 1st, 6th and 14th Amendment.

    Further, show me the case, if it exists, that found it so.

    Surely if it facially violates these Amendments, someone has challenged the law. Can you explain it to me and cite the case?

    As described I do not see it that way at all.

    On the First, court records are sealed all the time. So at least as a facial matter, it seems to me that the First Amendment is not violated.

    On the Sixth, I amo no expert, but the Sixth Amendment reads as follows:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    I do not see how this is implicated by this law. I presume of course that the attorneys for an accused and convicted person would have full access to the records for purposes of appeal. The trial itself is open to the public and to public reporting. Indeed, as I understand it, one could make their own record of it and publish it at will.

    As to the Fourteenth, I assume you are implying that there is a due process issue. Could you explain to me what the problem is?

    Now, you make some POLICY arguments for why the law is one that should not be favored. That is not a Constitutional argument, that is a policy argument.

    Indeed, it seems to me you sho0uld be upset about Obama's PRESENT vote. It seems to me that you should have wanted him to vote NO.

    What am I missing?

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    Findlaw has this anotation (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:44:31 PM EST
    ''This nation's accepted practice of guaranteeing a public trial to an accused has its roots in our English common law heritage. The exact date of its origin is obscure, but it likely evolved long before the settlement of our land as an accompaniment of the ancient institution of jury trial. In this country the guarantee to an accused of the right to a public trial first appeared in a state constitution in 1776. Following the ratification in 1791 of the Federal Constitution's Sixth Amendment . . . most of the original states and those subsequently admitted to the Union adopted similar constitutional provisions. Today almost without exception every state by constitution, statute, or judicial decision, requires that all criminal trials be open to the public.

    ''The traditional Anglo-American distrust for secret trials has been variously ascribed to the notorious use of this practice by the Spanish Inquisition, to the excesses of the English Court of Star Chamber, and to the French monarchy's abuse of the letter de cachet. All of these institutions obviously symbolized a menace to liberty. . . . Whatever other benefits the guarantee to an accused that his trial be conducted in public may confer upon our society, the guarantee has always been recognized as a safeguard against any attempt to employ our courts as instruments of persecution.'' 29 The purposes of the requirement of open trials are multiple: it helps to assure the criminal defendant a fair and accurate adjudication of guilt or innocence, it provides a public demonstration of fairness, it discourages perjury, the misconduct of participants, and decisions based on secret bias or partiality. The Court has also expatiated upon the therapeutic value to the community of open trials to enable the public to see justice done and the fulfillment of the urge for retribution that people feel upon the commission of some kinds of crimes. 30 Because of the near universality of the guarantee in this country, the Supreme Court has had little occasion to deal with the right. It is a right so fundamental that it is protected against state deprivation by the due process clause, 31 but it is not so absolute that reasonable regulation designed to forestall prejudice from publicity and disorderly trials is foreclosed. 32 The banning of television cameras from the courtroom and the precluding of live telecasting of a trial is not a denial of the right, 33 although the Court does not inhibit televised trials under the proper circumstances. 34  

    The Court has borrowed from First Amendment cases in protecting the right to a public trial. Closure of trials or pretrial proceedings over the objection of the accused may be justified only if the state can show ''an overriding interest based on findings that closure is essential to preserve higher values and is narrowly tailored to serve that interest.'' 35 In Waller v. Georgia, 36 the Court held that an accused's Sixth Amendment rights had been violated by closure of all 7 days of a suppression hearing in order to protect persons whose phone conversations had been taped, when less than 2<SUP>1/<INF>2 hours of the hearing had been devoted to playing the tapes. The need for openness at suppression hearings ''may be particularly strong,'' the Court indicated, due to the fact that the conduct of police and prosecutor is often at issue. 37 However, an accused's Sixth Amendment-based request for closure must meet the same stringent test applied to governmental requests to close proceedings: there must be ''specific findings . . . demonstrating that first, there is a substantial probability that the defendant's right to a fair trial will be prejudiced by publicity that closure would prevent, and second, reasonable alternatives to closure cannot adequately protect the defendant's fair trial rights.'' 38  

    The Sixth Amendment guarantee is apparently a personal right of the defendant, which he may in some circumstances waive in conjunction with the prosecution and the court. 39 The First Amendment, however, has been held to protect public and press ac cess to trials in all but the most extraordinary circumstances, 40 hence a defendant's request for closure of his trial must be balanced against the public and press right of access. Before such a request for closure will be honored, there must be ''specific findings . . . demonstrating that first, there is a substantial probability that the defendant's right to a fair trial will be prejudiced by publicity that closure would prevent, and second, reasonable alternatives to closure cannot adequately protect the defendant's fair trial rights.'' 41

    I do not see this jurisprudence implicated by this law.

    So it must be something else.


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    It reminds me of Dukakis answering (none / 0) (#22)
    by MarkL on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 06:03:16 PM EST
    the question of whether his views on the death penalty would change if Kitty Dukakis were raped and murdered.
    I've been saying for a while: Obama is lectern material, not leadership material.
    God help us if he's the nominee.


    One Bad Answer (none / 0) (#29)
    by BDB on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 07:42:09 PM EST
    I think it's too soon to judge Obama to be as bad as Kerry at answering questions.  He has had trouble in debates being as succinct as he needs to be, but he's also improved at every debate, which I think is a good sign.

    I am surprised that he didn't have an answer to this particular question since it's something the Clinton people have been pushing and was the subject of the recent NYT article.  Maybe we're seeing the downside of being the media darling, he's not as used to being questioned about his record.

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    He has shown poor preparation before (none / 0) (#32)
    by MarkL on Sat Dec 22, 2007 at 08:01:44 PM EST
    at one of the debates where he wasn't ready for a question  that everyone expected. Sorry that's vague, but I remember!


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