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Jose Padilla: Shrink Says He Has Stockholm Syndrome

Via Raw Story, A psychiatrist testified today Jose Padilla has Stockholm Syndrome.

A pre-hearing synopsis is at the Miami Herald.

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    Defense (none / 0) (#1)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 04:42:34 PM EST
    Uh, that's a defense witness psychiatrist....

    Interesting theory.... If it flies I can see a whole of people in jail giving it a shot..

    WOT (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:34:59 AM EST
    Here's a chance for ppj to do his part for the WOT, since he is too old to go to Iraq.

    Volunteer to work for the prosecutor in the Padilla case. All you have to do is go through all the 'non-torture' that Padilla went through and show that you are undamaged and mentally fit at the end.

    That way we will all know that Padilla is a faker and is fit to proceed with his trial.

    We are waiting.

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    Ummmm (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 11:27:53 AM EST
    There would be no change. Would there?

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    squwaky (none / 0) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:21:56 PM EST
    Speaking of justice, military and otherwise...

    Soldier Gets 100 Years for Iraq Rape, KillinBy ROSE FRENCH AP

    BTW - How do you know I haven't? Ever been to E&E school???

    And, can you make that "alleged." You know, meaning that nothing has been proved.

    And please, don't mix up torture with stringent interrogation

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    Squeak (none / 0) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:23:17 PM EST
    oh my... My bad typing...

    That's Squeaky.. that darn w is so close to the e...

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    wow (none / 0) (#28)
    by Jen M on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 09:58:12 PM EST
    I didn't know escape and evasion lasted that long

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    The only other Psych report ... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 05:31:38 PM EST
    ... is a paid gov't shrink. Yeah, completely unbiased.

    Well (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Thu Feb 22, 2007 at 07:04:20 PM EST
    To some people the idea of Padilla having a defense lawyer is an probably just an "interesting theory".

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    Edger (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 08:41:08 AM EST
    You think?? I had to open the link myself to find out he was working for the defense... For a few moments there I thought the Gov had lost their minds..

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    And? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 09:47:14 AM EST
    For a few moments there I thought the Gov had lost their minds..

    What convinced you otherwise?

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    Inhumanity is inhumanity (none / 0) (#8)
    by Dadler on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 11:53:35 AM EST
    On any issue, Jim is "convinced" when all his prejudices seem covered.  

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    Daddler goes ad hominem (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:14:24 PM EST
    Come on now, we're supposed to be nice.

    Got anymore ad hominem attacks you want to use?

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    RePack (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:04:42 PM EST
    When I determined that the theory came from the defense's shrink.

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    Scribe (none / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 12:21:42 PM EST
    posted a link to the photos and court filings back on Dec 05/06 here.

    Angela Hagerty's (the psychiatrist) affidavit is here (pdf) for anyone who wants a clear understanding of Jose Padilla's treatment. It is very unpleasant reading.

    I imagine denial and diversion and distraction is a big help for anyone incapable of facing reality (or unwilling to).

    Does not compute (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:07:26 PM EST
    Tell me what does whatever, if anything, the government did to him have to do with his guilt or innocence?

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    Let me help (none / 0) (#18)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 10:17:27 PM EST
    If the defendant cannot get a fair trial, he gets a walk.  A confession elicited by torture will get you a walk.  Evidence obtained in violation of the Bill of Rights will get you a walk.

    None of these addresses guilt or innocence.  This very morning I had two high ranking officers in the local sheriff's department agree with me that because I had been pulled over for "driving while white," in lieu of a vehicle code violation, even if I had a dead body or a pound of cocaine on the seat next to me, I would have got a walk.

    It has noting to do with guilt or innocence.  It has to do with the government having to live up to its obligations before making others do so.

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    RePack (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 09:26:03 AM EST
    So, you evade the question.

    What does any of this have to do with his guilt or innocence.

    NOT

    What does any of this have to do with his being convicted??

    And in this case I don't think Padilla has confessed.

    And I don't think he is incapable of going to trial and assist in his defense.

    What the defense is trying to do is muddy the water behind some BS shrink theories.

    Next thing that will happen is that he'll be claiming he is Napolean....

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    What did the torturers hope to accomplish? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Al on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:11:44 PM EST
    Padilla was treated in a way that would ensure the destruction of his mental capacity. Obviously, it could not have been done to get information out of him. You're not going to get much useful information from someone who has been reduced to a piece of furniture, as he has been described. The conclusion must be that this was purely punitive. If the government had its way, Padilla would not have been tried at all, but detained indefinitely, disappeared. How many others have suffered precisely that fate?

    This thread has nothing to do (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:16:04 PM EST
    with Padilla's guilt or innocence. It has to do with his treatment. And his condition.

    And it has everything to do with the guilt of Bush and his supporters.

    They will probably be begging for defense psychiatrist evaluations for themselves before too long.

    When they do, this thread will be a good reminder for them...

    Of course (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 23, 2007 at 01:21:30 PM EST
    If I supported, defended, and excused the kind of treatment Padilla has been subjected to, I'd be trying as hard as possible to divert and hijack this thread, when facing civilized people.

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    EDger writes (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 09:18:57 AM EST
    when facing civilized people

    Civilized people who declare jihad? Fly airplanes into builidngs full of innocent Americans? Cut flight attendants throats with box cutters? Saw off the head of innocent reporters? Drive cars and trucks full of explosives into marketplaces and explode them killing hundreds?

    Yeah, that was a very civilized group Padilla was messing around with.

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    Edger (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 09:21:15 AM EST
    You're not the editor, edger....

    And if his alleged treatment has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence, why did the defense hire a shrink to try and garner sympathy??

    You're not thinking clearly....

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    Actually, Bush and his supporters... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 10:03:12 AM EST
    ...have needed psychiatric evaluation for a long time.

    To confirm what everyone else already knows.

    EDger (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 10:44:07 AM EST
    Do tell..

    Speaking of telling, why are you continuing to support Padilla??

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    the question is ... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Sailor on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 02:18:55 PM EST
    ... why any American would be supporting the illegal dentention and torture by the American gov't of an American citizen?

    Supporting the right to a fair trial, inherent in which is the ability to assist in your defence, is a fundamental basis for our freedom.

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    Sailor (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 07:33:58 PM EST
    Supporting the right to a fair trial has nothing to do with supporting Padilla.

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    This was not supposed to happen. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 11:16:29 AM EST
    The cruel methods US interrogators have used since September 11 to "break" prisoners are finally being put on trial. This was not supposed to happen.
    ...
    "It's not like Mr. Padilla was living in a box. He was at a place. Things happened to him at that place." The judge has ordered several prison employees to testify at the hearings on Padilla's mental state, which begin February 22. They will be asked how a man alleged to have engaged in elaborate antigovernment plots now acts, in the words of brig staff, "like a piece of furniture."

    It's difficult to overstate the significance of these hearings. The techniques used to break Padilla have been standard operating procedure at Guantánamo Bay since the first prisoners arrived five years ago.
    ...
    Many have suffered the same symptoms as Padilla. According to James Yee, former Army Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo, there is an entire section of the prison called Delta Block for detainees who have been reduced to a delusional state. "They would respond to me in a childlike voice, talking complete nonsense. Many of them would loudly sing childish songs, repeating the song over and over." All of Delta Block was on twenty-four-hour suicide watch.

    Human Rights Watch has exposed a US-run detention facility near Kabul known as the "prison of darkness"--tiny pitch-black cells, strange blaring sounds. "Plenty lost their minds," one former inmate recalled. "I could hear people knocking their heads against the walls and the doors."

    These standard mind-breaking techniques have never faced scrutiny in a US court because the prisoners in the jails are foreigners and have been stripped of the right of habeas corpus--a denial that, scandalously, was just upheld by a federal appeals court in Washington, DC. There is only one reason Padilla's case is different: He is a US citizen... He is the only victim of the post-9/11 legal netherworld to face an ordinary US trial.

    Now that Padilla's mental state is the central issue in the case, the government prosecutors have a problem. The CIA and the military have known since the early 1960s that extreme sensory deprivation and sensory overload cause personality disintegration--that's the whole point. "The deprivation of stimuli induces regression by depriving the subject's mind of contact with an outer world and thus forcing it in upon itself. At the same time, the calculated provision of stimuli during interrogation tends to make the regressed subject view the interrogator as a father-figure." That comes from Kubark Counterintelligence Interrogation, a 1963 declassified CIA manual for interrogating "resistant sources."

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    Another issue related to this (none / 0) (#25)
    by Edger on Sat Feb 24, 2007 at 11:34:58 AM EST
    is that Bush and his Administration doing things like this to people also drives his supporters into a delusional state of denial, besides turning the entire civilized world against them.

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