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Astronaut Love Triangle, Why is This News?

I'm with TRex, I don't get the media fascination with Astronaut Lisa Nowak's arrest. There's nothing about it I find even remotely interesting.

Big Media's lurid coverage of this case is off key, out of line, and really, unduly fixated on the salacious details, but of course, why should we expect any different? There's a woman to be degraded and humiliated here! Call out Greta Van Suffering!

If you feel differently, here's a place to discuss it.

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    you can't possibly be serial (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 12:49:52 AM EST
    hmmmmm, let's see, why oh why would this be of interest to the media? think, think, think! oh, the thinks i can think!

    could it be because it's the first time, in the history of the space program, that an astronaut, one of an elite, small group of highly educated, skilled, trained individuals, has ever been arrested and charged with a felony?

    nah, couldn't possibly be that. it must be because she's woman. yeah, that's the ticket. had she not been a she, no one would have even noticed, would've flown (so to speak) right under the media radar. right, and smithfield has actually found a way to make silk purses out of sow's ears.

    it's probably why you only hear about woman in congress who screw up, never the men. yep, that old double standard again.

    puhleazzzzzzzzzzzzzze! i note you neglected any mention of the other two paries in this sordid affair, one male, the other female, both also astronauts, and both also military officers. all three will be subject to sanctions under the UCMJ, a fact that has also been highlighted in the news. however did you miss that?

    i think TRex should get his head out of his butt, and actually look at the facts, instead of creating them out of whole cloth. only in his mind has she been degraded, not in the media, or in most people's minds. if there's been any degrading, she mostly did it herself.

    Water cooler question of the day! (none / 0) (#2)
    by ding7777 on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:51:57 AM EST
    The local paper posed it this way:

    what would make a married mother of three and an accomplished astronaut -- one of only 106 overall active U.S. astronauts and one of only 24 active U.S. women astronauts, according to NASA -- jeopardize and potentially sacrifice her family, her future and her successful career for a love affair?

    And yes, it is as interesting as Ryan O'Neal shooting his banister

    It is like being mugged by an oak tree. (none / 0) (#3)
    by JSN on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:26:45 AM EST
    In corrections this is known as the "nasty surprise" where someone
    with not even a hint of violent behavior goes off the track.

    I understand NASA is already reviewing their screening processes.

    One word (none / 0) (#4)
    by aahpat on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:28:57 AM EST
    Prurient

    short answer (none / 0) (#5)
    by scribe on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:52:39 AM EST
    "Schadenfreude."

    Big, fresh, steaming piles of it.

    We've been fed fifty years of NASA propaganda on how steely-eyed, corn-fed, All-American, kind to animals and small children, perfect and perfectly trained their astros and families are, and for this to come crashing through is, uh, pretty satisfying for the 99-44/100 percent of us whose lives and/or families are neither wildly successful nor perfect, or maybe have done something stupid in the name of love (or something that looks like it).  Or all of the above.

    And, while this is the first time "anything like this" has ever happened, I'd suspect (a) it really isn't and (b) in the prior incidents, the local cops had the sense, or the prudence, to keep quiet until Houston got involved and quietly closed the issue.  Go back and re-read "The Right Stuff" or similar books.  I also suspect the real reason NASA is so up-in-arms over this, is that the press got to the Orlando police before NASA did.

    TRex did do a very nice job on the topic over at FDL, and deserves some props.

    We love us..... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:16:32 AM EST
    a train wreck, thats all there is to it.  We love it when someone goes off the deep end, especially so-called "sucessful" people....my theory is it makes us feel better about ourselves and we feel superior and sane by comparison.  Televised self-esteem.

    It sure as hell isn't newsworthy.

    Astronaut Love Triangle, Why is This News? (none / 0) (#7)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:38:54 AM EST
    Same reason Rudy G's speaking fees are? ie., it's a slow news day?

    Speaking fees.... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Dadler on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 01:19:44 PM EST
    ...can directly influence a future politician's ability to be objective.  Paying him a hundred grand to prattle on can just as easily be considered a hundred grand to gain access later.  Campaign financing and influence peddling are public matters.  Very public.

    The astronaut story in no way, shape or form affects the public at large.  

    The comparison is false.

    Don't mean to be snippy, just didn't seem congruent to me.

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    The comparison is false. Don't mean to be snippy, just didn't seem congruent to me.
    I don't happen to share it. Cest la vie.

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    Depends (none / 0) (#8)
    by Randinho on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:41:56 AM EST
    It's the adult diaper she was wearing. Tha's the wacky element to the story. It doesn't deserve the attention it's been getting, however.

    Now you know (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:03:51 PM EST
    Some adult women wear adult diapers because they have a problem with bladder control.

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    Expert opinion (none / 0) (#24)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:36:49 PM EST
    Who would have ever guessed that you knew so much about incontinence. Do tell.

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    Yes. (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:44:39 AM EST
    There is surgery to correct the problem.

    Glad to be of assistance.

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    That's because (none / 0) (#9)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:43:13 AM EST
    they don't want us to pay attention to the fact that helicopters are being shot down over Iraq. The pattern is clear:

    1. Chopper goes down
    2. Blurb in media - the words " possible mechanical trouble" used instead of shot down.
    3. Truth comes out one week later while media beats off on astronaut's nervous breakdown.

    Is everyone paying attention?

    Because the B is Crazy (none / 0) (#10)
    by Scottw174 on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 10:30:36 AM EST
    I think a married person who drives from Houston to Orlando (wearing diapers) with the purpose of kidnapping or killing a rival lover would put them in the crazy category.

    Let's add to that this same crazy person was in space last year.  So I think it is a highly relative story, what had happened say instead of driving 1000 miles all she had to do was push a couple of buttons or twist a few valves and brought down the shuttle or the space station.

    Then we find out NASA doesn't perform mental stability testing, WOW !!

    I think it is a very inside look into the ability of NASA to keep crazy people out of space, especially when said crazy person is in a love triangle that could have landed all three up in space at the same time and possible on the space station.

    Call me crazy, but this could have turned into an international disaster setting the space program back a decade and costing US another zillion dollars.

    This isn't a run-away bride story, this one has merit.


    So... (none / 0) (#11)
    by desertswine on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 10:33:45 AM EST
    has anyone actually had sex in space?
    That we know of.

    Answer to my own q... (none / 0) (#15)
    by desertswine on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 01:04:03 PM EST
    Sex in Space

    In Space, No One Can Hear You Moan

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    ty scott. i might add (none / 0) (#12)
    by cpinva on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 11:36:18 AM EST
    because she's an astronaut, again. geez, are you all terminally oblivious? of course it's going to be news, regardless of gender. just as it's (rightly) news when some "family values" congressman is found to be sending bj's by e-mail to boy senate pages. or, when the mayor of a large, west coast city is outed for having an affair with an employee's wife.

    i suppose there is a bit of schadenfreude involved, there always is, when it involves a publicly very successful person. however, that doesn't negate the fact that the incident, especially because of who was involved, is certainly newsworthy. worth 24/7 coverage? no. but then, when you have 24/7 news, you need a lot of filler.

    desertswine, nasa was asked this very question, and says it doesn't know for sure. however, it pointed out the the lack of privacy in the station and the shuttles would probably be an inhibiting factor.

    unless it was an orgy! :)

    From ow on... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 11:43:13 AM EST
      no news should be published unless it is vetted by the people here and determined to be of interest to them.

      At the very least this rule would  save us the feigned failure to grasp the obvious, the extremely tiresome posing as superior because youi are not interested, (yet, you always find it necessary to tell us that you are not interested) and the foolish echos from the chamber that it's more evidence of a consporacy to hide the "rela news."

      Do you folks have any clue how ridiculous stuff like this sounds coming from adults?

    cmon (none / 0) (#14)
    by Peaches on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 12:12:22 PM EST
    give us a break, Decon and CPinVA. None of us are that honest. We all look at the enquirer in the grocery store line. We were all caught up in the OJ trial. I don't doubt that the ones who make the loudest complaints about stories like these not being interesting, still find themselves in possession of many of the details.

    But, that doesn't erase the shame some of us feel toward what our media provides us and the apparent enthusiam the public consumes it all with. We can't help it that we consume it along with the rest of the public. We welcome the distraction a story like this brings as much as the Super Bowl with the commercials and half time festivities over the daily  reporting of our troops missions in Iraq and the suffering of Iraqis in the ongoing civil war. That doesn't mean we have to accept our hypocrisy and not complain about the lack of substance in the media. I don't think I would call such complaints childish or ridiculous. Rather, I actually think they do show a degree of sophistication, although some honesty and self-incrimination with the criticism of the media might be refreshing.

    Substance (none / 0) (#19)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 02:18:42 PM EST
    is available for anyone who wants to seek it. My complaint is with the notion that certain people seem to feel the need to complain about what they consider "insubstantial" things being publicized.

       We don't (and I wouldn't want to) live in a society where people are required to be educated in accordance with the wishes of their self-styled betters. People are free to be interested in what interests them and the media  outlets are free to cater to the audience to which they choose to cater. It should come as no surprise that many people find stories about sex, betrayal, blood and gore, and the just plain weird interesting.

      It should come as no surprise that the pervasiveness over time immemorial of that interest makes providing such stories profitable. I'm also pretty sure most people are not surprised to learn that media outlets are overwhelmingly private for-profit enterprizes.

       What all this moaning really comes down to is this lament:

       If it weren't for the fact that, unlike me, most people are ignorant and shallow, people would understand that things should be the way I want them to be. if only OTHER PEOPLE would advocate for me I would get my way

           I'd suggest that people who want to be paid attention to probably shouldn't criticize their potential audience because, perhaps perverely, THAT is the kind of thing that gets attention.

       When you feel you are not getting your message across you can posit three  causes: the message, the messenger or the audience.

       

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    Perhaps, (none / 0) (#22)
    by Peaches on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:24:38 PM EST
    and, maybe I am being picky, but, I don't entirely agree with the lament you describe. There is a disconnect between what is profitable and what has substance. I agree that the media is a profit industry, and, for the most part, I agree, the market should be the driving incentive for determining stories to feed to the public. I also think it is true that for the people who desire substance all one has to do is look for it. It is out there for the people who desire it, it justs requires a little more work to obtain.

    Its a slippery slope between pointing out the shallowness of the media and coming accoss as elitist with the impression that the critic thinks he is above the shallow stories that appeal to the massess. Regardless, someone needs to point out that certain popular stories, items, fads, what-have-you, in our culture lack substance and are really quite shallow and reflect on the whole society at large. Perhaps, its best be left to the comedians or humorists.

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    I agree, peaches, except. for the qualifier... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 07:31:45 AM EST
      "our."  It's not as if the contemporary United States is unique or even really distinguishable in that regard. We sometimes tend to imagine a different past but that is caused by the facts that history is different from current events for many reasons.

       In the 23rd Century, it's unlikely historians will devote much attention to our  cheating mayors, wacky astronauts or bleach blonde golddiggers, etc. (and that's true even though due to technology much more source material will be available to document such interests as compared to our ability to document the gossip of the past).

       A 23rd Century observer who will likely be exposed to sensational reporting of similar stuff about his contemporaries but then reads the history books to learn about the early 21st Century might conclude his era is to preoccupied with such stuff compared to us because what he will learn about our era will likely will be waht time and perspective have shown to be more important.

     

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    sorry peaches and narius (none / 0) (#21)
    by cpinva on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:13:45 PM EST
    but you've fallen into the classic "assumption" trap. you assume that anyone who found this story newsworthy must, by definition, feel better about themselves because of it.

    it didn't make me feel better about me, i just felt shocked, and saddened for the families. also, surprised that it (or something like it) hasn't happened before, or at least made the news.

    yeah, i'm shallow, to the core. that said, i don't require the failings of others to make me feel better about me, i can screw up all by myself, thank you! :)

    CP (none / 0) (#27)
    by Peaches on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:18:44 AM EST
    No, I didn't fall for any trap.

    I agree with your opinion on why this story has legs. I just was making a point about the impulse to call out those who are chastising the media for focusing on this story over other stories that have more substance and are more important and concluding they are ridiculous or elitist. Yes, this story should be reported and yes, it is important and interesting for all the reasons you cite. However, for all the reasons I tried to point out above, a story like this has some of the same characteristics as our societies fascination with a celebrity such as Anna Nicole Smith, and frankly these characteristics reveal a certain shallowness or unsophistication that the market/profit motive/popularity/ reveal. Pointing this out is a necessary and unavoidable characteristic of our society ( or all societies-thanks Decon) also.

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    Decon opines on our opinions (none / 0) (#23)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:40:24 PM EST
    Maybe we should run the articles by YOU before we comment on them. If I find an article here that is uninteresting to me, instead of throwing my nose in the air, I just move my little arrow thingy to the X at the upper right hand corner of my screen and CLICK! Try it sometime, instead of wasting bandwidth putting value judgements on others. Fortunately you have the choice - for now, to separate the wheat from the chaff on your own. Can't you do it quietly?

    isn't that my point, che? (none / 0) (#29)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 10:21:49 AM EST
      TL claims not to be interested in certain things and baffled about why they make the news,  but it doesn't ignore them. It posts self-righteous blog enties about it complete with value judgments. You are correct about what I am doing and now if you could just tax your brain by extending the exact same rationale to TL You might get it.

     

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    Actually Jim may be right (none / 0) (#25)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 11:37:59 PM EST
    Sorry for the scare.

    Many women, especially after multiple normal deliveries, may have bladder control problems. It's a thought, but I have no idea what was going through her mind. Usually you don't attack other people while wearing incontinence devices, though I can find no reliable studies to back that claim.

    Yes I see your point (none / 0) (#30)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:00:47 PM EST
    Certainly this issue is not worth arguing over.