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Edwards Campaign May Keep Bloggers

Good for John Edwards. He didn't cave in to the right wing noise machine. It looks like Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon and Melissa McEwan of Shakespeare's Sister of will stay on as bloggers for the campaign.

Here's Edward's press statement, followed by statements from Amanda and Melissa:

John Edwards:

“The tone and the sentiment of some of Amanda Marcotte's and Melissa McEwen's posts personally offended me. It's not how I talk to people, and it's not how I expect the people who work for me to talk to people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that kind of intolerant language will not be permitted from anyone on my campaign, whether it's intended as satire, humor, or anything else. But I also believe in giving everyone a fair shake. I've talked to Amanda and Melissa; they have both assured me that it was never their intention to malign anyone's faith, and I take them at their word. We're beginning a great debate about the future of our country, and we can't let it be hijacked. It will take discipline, focus, and courage to build the America we believe in.”

Amanda:

“My writings on my personal blog, Pandagon on the issue of religion are generally satirical in nature and always intended strictly as a criticism of public policies and politics. My intention is never to offend anyone for his or her personal beliefs, and I am sorry if anyone was personally offended by writings meant only as criticisms of public politics. Freedom of religion and freedom of expression are central rights, and the sum of my personal writings is a testament to this fact.”

Melissa:

“Shakespeare's Sister is my personal blog, and I certainly don't expect Senator Edwards to agree with everything I've posted. We do, however, share many views - including an unwavering support of religious freedom and a deep respect for diverse beliefs. It has never been my intention to disparage people's individual faith, and I'm sorry if my words were taken in that way.”

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    But didn't he sketch out BushCo's view? (none / 0) (#1)
    by urbanreader on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 02:37:34 PM EST
    Was he trying to summarize the BushCo view? Whether or not the view is foolish, wasn't that his job, to sketch it out?

    Is it really that simple? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 03:14:27 PM EST
      Suppose, say Guiliani, hired some bloggers who called anti-war demonstrators filthy, unamerican traitors. Would it be enough for Guiliani to  say he was offended by their words and didn't share that thought but to continue to employ them?

      Would no one point out that Guiliani had to have known that they had been previously writing such things? Would no one suggest that the act of employing them IN A COMMUNICATIONS CAPACITY could reasonably be construed as a tacit approval of writing such "offensive" things?

     Would we claim that Guiliani  wrongly caved to pressure if he got rid of them?

       I suspect, we'd first criticize his judgment for hiring them  in the first place and marvel at his unwise obstinancy for not firing them.

      It's all whose ox....

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    Modern feminism. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Gabriel Malor on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 02:55:14 PM EST
    My intention is never to offend anyone for his or her personal beliefs, and I am sorry if anyone was personally offended by writings meant only as criticisms of public politics.

    I won't repost any of Marcotte's insulting posts about the Catholic Church or Evangelical Christians, but I do want to note that, per her statement, Feminism has apparently moved beyond "the Personal is Political."

    Also, I have trouble taking seriously anyone who writes "It has never been my intention to disparage people's individual faith" when they frequently throw around the word "godbags" and "Christofascists" to describe Christians. For anyone who's ever read Marcotte or McEwen, these apologies are just not believable.

    On the other hand, should it really be a big deal that someone's campaign bloggers are insulting and foulmouthed on their own blogs? Most definitely, no. Edwards just needs to let it be known that he doesn't agree with their personal opinions on some subjects and let his blogmasters know that he expects his campaign blog to steer clear of that type of thing. That's all.

    The Truth (none / 0) (#10)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:05:53 PM EST
    "Godbags" and "Christofascists" are terms not meant to offend!  Whoda thunk it.  One wonders if they think "nigger" can be used in the same inoffensive manner.

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    GM (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:48:02 PM EST
    Ah... but he did not. He forgave them.

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    Bravo Edwards.... (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:00:19 PM EST
    I think he did the right thing here.  If they posted opinions Edwards finds offensive on his blog, he'd have just cause to fire them.  But they didn't.

    Seems to me he is respecting their right to have an opinion on organized religion outside their employment. What's wrong with that Jim?

     

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    look at the accusser (none / 0) (#4)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 03:45:20 PM EST
    they frequently throw around the word "godbags" and "Christofascists" to describe Christians
    They weren't referring to all christian, just the bigots like Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League who has said on Nat'l TV:
    "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular"

    and
    lesbians were "something I'd expect to see in an asylum, frankly"

    He is a christofascist and shouldn't be allowed a forum by MSM for his hate speech.

    Non Story (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 03:51:22 PM EST
    This is a non-story and I am glad that Edwards has done the right thing.

    Just like accusing Pelosi of ramapnt misappropriations for travel, and having no problem with using filibuster, among countless examples, the Republican Party is the party of double standards.

    They have no shame. That is why they have lost public confidence and will continue to lose unless they change their dishonest ways.

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    and the point is... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 03:53:38 PM EST
    if HE was hired by a campaign in a communications capacity whoever whired him would rightfully be skewered by his opponents, but for purely partisan reaons people defend these women writingfor Edwarda and suggest he should retain them despite it obviously not being very bright.

     

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    As I said (none / 0) (#7)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 03:56:38 PM EST
    The Republican party is the party redefining the notion of the double standard.

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    uh, no.. (none / 0) (#9)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:03:18 PM EST
       in this particular instance, it is YOU and Tl with the double standard. ---- One for the Democrat Edwards and a different one for Republicans.

      A single standard would be NO ONE IN EITHER PARTY should hire communications workers who write insulting, offensive things about peope based on their race, religion, ancestry, national origin, sex. etc.

      When you go beserk at the other side when it does something and defend almost identical behavior when your side does it-- That's a "double standard."

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    BS (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:13:08 PM EST
    You are obviously not following the issue. Or if you are it is from wingnuttia.

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    I still notice ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:40:44 PM EST
    ... that this commenter has no links to statements made by the bloggers and probably has no idea what they wrote or in what context.

    The Catholic church does condemn gays (unless they're pedophile priests, and then it moves them from parish to parish), it does want to take away a woman's right to choose.

    It's just another non-story story trumpted by those who don't have a leg to stand on so they have to trumpet lies like Pelosi 1 and liars like this gay and jew hater who leads the catholic league.

    What does it say about 300,000 catholic that they follow this guy?

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    Sailor,you are one hatefilled dude. (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by bx58 on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:57:07 PM EST
    The generalities coming out of your mouth are absolutely disgusting. You paint people with such a broad brush that:

    A:You were bungholed by a priest as a kid or

    B:You are just a nasty anti-Catholic or

    C:You got too much of The Divinci Code on your brain or

    D:All of the above.


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    bx58 (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:27:55 PM EST
    You seem to know something about the Catholic church, so maybe you can answer Sailor's question: Why do 300,000 people follow a hateful bigot like William Donohue?

    Just askin'

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    Are you claiming that ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Sailor on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:47:29 AM EST
    ... the official position of the catholic church does not condemn homosexuality? (CCC 2357)

    ... the catholic church didn't conspire to protect pedophiles?

    ... the catholic league isn't led my a bigot?

    If you want to express disgust, start with the pope and then to the leader of te catholic league and then to his followers.

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    point out ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:02:53 PM EST
    ... that what they wrote was so bad.
    The catholic church, an international organization that has abetted pedophiles, is against a woman's right to choose and is against gays.

    He's a bigot, why were his comments even covered? If David Duke accused someone it wouldn't make the news.

    Of course it was written byt nedra pickler,who's never met a dem she didn't write a hit piece on.

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    Sailor (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:49:07 PM EST
    Then why didn't they name names?

    Your excuses ring hollow.

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    Question... (none / 0) (#11)
    by jarober on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:43:06 PM EST
    If a blogger talked about blacks or hispanics the way these two talked about Catholics, and then a candidate hired them, should they also get the "benefit of the doubt"?  Would an explanation that it was all "satire" wash?

    Somehow I doubt it.

    Welcome to Animal Farm, where some are more equal than others.

    Jarober (none / 0) (#12)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:54:44 PM EST
    Race and religion are apples and oranges. It's one thing to diss someone about their politics/religion. That's a choice they made. They should take the heat (on BOTH sides). You cannot choose your race, and you should not be subject to prejudice based upon something you cannot control.

    Che (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:50:14 PM EST
    Why diss anyone???

    If they believe, they believe. Just let'em be.

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    Race? (none / 0) (#30)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:10:59 PM EST
    You cannot choose your race.....,

    I would put it slightly differently.

    You can't choose what you look like. I think "race" is pretty slippery. No one can prove that they are a part of a 'race'. Mostly it is what you look like and who you identify with.

     

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    Che (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 10:00:31 AM EST
    Can I put you down for agreeing with me that strong criticism about the Moslem faith is not racist??

    Thanks, bro.

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    Right... (none / 0) (#13)
    by jarober on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 04:59:07 PM EST
    Then I presume that a candidate who hired someone who highlighted the Mohammed cartoons would be just fine then.  Likewise, someone who's spouted hateful language about Jews would be ok in your book, too?

    Not that I buy your premise, mind you.

    The only thing left ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Sailor on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:29:28 PM EST
    ... is to just make $hit up.
    Then I presume that a candidate who hired someone who highlighted the Mohammed cartoons would be just fine then.  Likewise, someone who's spouted hateful language about Jews would be ok in your book, too?
    1.) We pointed out how the accuser already has had his hate speech against jews and gays trumpted by the media.

    2.) What if your other planted a bomb with a 1 hour timer in a kindergarten and the only way you could defuse it was by torturing her?

    Silly jarober, that wasn't a hair question.

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    Sailor (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:51:24 PM EST
    No, but it was fair.

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    BTW (none / 0) (#14)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:04:31 PM EST
    There should be no apologies from the bloggers. Edwards should have vetted their sites. The rest of us should understand that these bloggers are not your ordinary communications staff. What you read is what you get. They should apologize to no one. Edwards' staff may not have been internet savvy enough, but at least now they have some people who are. I have to hand it to Edwards. He's at least trying to reach everyone.

    Che (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 07:59:03 PM EST
    It's 2007. Anyone in the communications business...which is politics....who doesn't understand the net should be fired for incomptence.

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    Frustration leads to presumption (none / 0) (#15)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:12:01 PM EST
    Then I presume that a candidate who hired someone who highlighted the Mohammed cartoons would be just fine then.  Likewise, someone who's spouted hateful language about Jews would be ok in your book, too?

    They do so at their own risk. It's a choice. You presume wrong that I would find those things "just fine", but thanks for providing me with my opinion.

    People don't hate jews (none / 0) (#17)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 05:15:27 PM EST
    they resent Zionism. That many cannot make this distinction is one of the core problems with the US/Israeli relationship.

    Che - facts. (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:02:11 PM EST
    Sure. Uh Huh. No doubt.

    Che, I lived some of that BS. Let me translate what hundreds of racists said. And then I will tell you what I told them.

    Racist: "I don't hate blacks. I just hate the NAACP."

    Jim: "Bullsh*t."

    I been there baby. I can see'em from two miles out.

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    So you are saying that ALL... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 05:49:55 AM EST
    Jews are Zionists?

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    He's not saying that at all, noooooo. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 06:58:46 PM EST
    He's saying:
    If [Keith Ellison] from MN would renounce CAIR he would certainly have my attention.


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    yes (none / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 10:02:35 AM EST
    That's about it.

    You are known by who you hang out with.

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    Clearer. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Edger on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 10:14:22 AM EST
    Racist: "I don't hate muslims. I just hate CAIR."

    Jim: "Bullsh*t."

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    Jews and Blacks (none / 0) (#57)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 07:13:11 PM EST
    ppj- your analogy is very poor indeed. Besides just as there are many many jews who are critical of Israeli policies and many many jews who think zionism is a bad idea, there are plenty of Blacks who are not aligned with NAACP.

    For you to believe that Black people or Jewish people have one agenda and either NAACP or Israel ( read AIPAC) respectively represents their views is ludicrous and racist.

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    Squeaky smears again (none / 0) (#61)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 10:14:27 AM EST
    No, I didn't say that.

    I said that I watched racist after racist make the "I love blacks and have black friends but I hate the  NAACP," claim.

    That was as BS as the claim that "I don't hate Jews, just Zionists."

    That the Left has accepted the racist views of some Moslems regarding Jews and also acceptd the racist views of some whites regarding blacks and Jews is plain to see.

    BTW - You do know that David Duke was at the recent meeting in Tehran...Don't you?

    BTW - No where did I claim that Jews and/or blacks had a common agenda and your claim that I am a racist is just more smearing by you.

    Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM

    Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.



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    Your Quote (none / 0) (#66)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:18:46 AM EST
    No where did I claim that Jews and/or blacks had a common agenda and your claim that I am a racist is just more smearing by you.

    OK I will spell it out for you.

    Racist: "I don't hate blacks. I just hate the NAACP."

    You are claiming that someone who claims to hate the NAACP but not black people in general is a racist, right?

    So are you saying that a black person is also racist because they oppose the NAACP?

    Does it follow that a jew is racist because they oppose AIPAC?

    You are constantly accusing anyone who critisizes Israel as anti-semitic. It your NAACP quote the basis for that. It sure seems so.

    Do all minorites have to have the same positions? That is racist position, ppj.

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    Squeaky (none / 0) (#68)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 07:05:11 PM EST
    I answered the question for you.

    Are you too dumb and/or agressively snarky to read and understand?

    I mean, what is it about:

    BTW - No where did I claim that Jews and/or blacks had a common agenda and your claim that I am a racist is just more smearing by you.



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    OK then (none / 0) (#70)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 07:20:22 PM EST
    So how is it that anyone who claims that Israel is a Zionest state is anti-semitic.

    Or anyone critical of Israel is anti-semitic?

    Does it work the same way as your oft repeated talking point?

    criticizing the Iraq war hurts the troops.



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    People don't hate Muslims either (none / 0) (#65)
    by Pancho on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 10:56:04 AM EST
    they just hate terrorists.

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    More Donahue.... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 06:10:01 PM EST
    A quote from the head of the Catholic League....

    "Edwards said today that `We're beginning a great debate about the future of our country, and we can't let it be hijacked.' I have news for him--the Catholic League--not Edwards--will decide what the debate will be about, and it won't be about the nation. It will be about the glaring double standard that colors the entire conversation about bigotry."

    Nice to know this guy doesn't want to debate the future of our nation...he just doesn't want anybody picking on his church.  Grow some skin fella, this is America.  If you're not getting offended something is wrong.

    I'm with Che...religion and race are not comparable.  Religion is a belief, and beliefs are fair game for ridicule.  Heck...I've got crazy beliefs with no basis in reality too, and I expect people to make fun of them.

    So... (none / 0) (#31)
    by jarober on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:15:51 PM EST
    So let me boil down Che's comment: hateful speech against Catholics and other Christians is fine.  Hateful speech against Muslims, not fine.  Still unclear where hateful speech against Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, and Buddhists fall in his moral scheme.

    imo (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 08:34:31 PM EST
    no way would someone who seriously believes he/she could win their party nomination to run for POTUS would allow him/herself to be linked to such controversial characters.

    "the company you keep" and all that.

    At the very least I think it'd be much harder to attract the kind of $ your campaign needs to win while carrying this type of baggage.

    Especially if the rumors are true that at least one and maybe both of the bloggers went back and tried to rewrite and sanitize their archives but, supposedly, their original venomous comments have been saved somehow by others.

    I can just see the negatives ads now - Edward's face on the TV screen with the copy of the comments superimposed...should be an interesting exercise though.

    controversial characters (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:08:04 PM EST
    no way would someone who seriously believes he/she could win their party nomination to run for POTUS would allow him/herself to be linked to such controversial characters

    So people like Limbaugh, Robertson, Malkin, Coulter... are not controversial characters?

    hahahhhaha.... That is a riot. Edward's bloggers are girlscouts compared to the mainstream right wing hate spew.

    Nuts (none / 0) (#34)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 09:16:33 PM EST

    Any candidate would have to be nuts to have them on staff.  

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    Nuts? (none / 0) (#53)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 04:22:43 PM EST
    Well I guess that in your book, McCain is nuts too. Wonder why no one from wingnuttia has had a problem with his personal blogger? Hmmmm could it possibly be that there is a double standard held by the right wing screamers?

    A story invented and driven by the right-wing blogosphere resulted in a prominent discussion in  The New York Times of the serious ethical lapses and extremist views of John McCain's personal blogger, and even the presence of anti-semitic slurs against Henry Waxman by that blogger's readers in the right-wing blogosphere. McCain's own blogger was thus forced defensively to contradict the central premise of the right-wing scandal: "I would caution against holding candidates responsible for what their bloggers and blog consultants have said in the past."
    Glen Greenwald

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    Which republican candidate's (none / 0) (#72)
    by Pancho on Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 12:27:32 AM EST
    payroll are they on?

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    Jarober (none / 0) (#35)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 11:18:53 PM EST
    You still insist on putting a value judgement on an objective observation. I simply state that it is unfair to lump racial prejudice with anti religious viewpoints, because one is not a choice while the other is. I don't say (here) whether those who choose a certain religion are right or wrong. That is not the issue. I simply state that it is an innaccurate comparison between race and religion when it comes to lodging criticism. You are mixing them together to bolster your arguement. I doesn't work.


    IT doesn't work (none / 0) (#36)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 11:25:59 PM EST
    Jim,

    Maybe the distinction between the Israeli (zionist) government policies and the Hebrew faith is one you cannot make. I do not lump people together like you do. You seem to have it all figured out, unfortunately for the world. I certainly hope the rest of the world does not judge me by the actions of my government.

    I have a news flash. Many Jews most certainly do not agree with the policies of the Israeli government.

    Che (none / 0) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 10:23:29 AM EST
    I just note that the Left, you included, were quite capable of, and did, pull for Hezabollah while the rockets fell on Israel.

    And to claim that Israel is a Zionest state is as wrong headed as it gets.

    That is the proof positive that your claim to not hate Jews is just a claim.

    The sad fact is, you probably don't. Like the racists of the south in the 60's, because you know some Jews who you like because they share your views, you actually believe what you write.

    Of course what counts, as the black civil rights movement pointed out, is what you do.

    I am waiting now for you to claim to hate the sin, but love sinner.

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    Zionism (none / 0) (#67)
    by squeaky on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:24:13 AM EST
    And to claim that Israel is a Zionest state is as wrong headed as it gets.

    That is the proof positive that your claim to not hate Jews is just a claim.

    You are off your rocker ppj. Zionism is an international political movement that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel


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    OFF TOPIC TROLL POST (none / 0) (#75)
    by Sailor on Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 04:49:56 PM EST
    Jim (none / 0) (#37)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Feb 08, 2007 at 11:30:33 PM EST
    It's 2007. Anyone in the communications business...which is politics....who doesn't understand the net should be fired for incomptence.

    Tell that to Joe Lieberman. Or Ted Stevens. Their website FU's and description of how the internet toobs work were beyond stupid.

    Moral Compass (none / 0) (#38)
    by jarober on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 05:44:49 AM EST
    Tell you what, Che.  Based on your theory of values, anyone who hired either Coulter or Michael Moore would be fine too.  Coulter doesn't hate liberals; she's merely espousing anti-liberal viewpoints.  Replace "liberal" with conservative" for Moore.

    In Her Own Words (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Ernesto Del Mundo on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 06:00:16 AM EST
    Coulter doesn't hate liberals

    Some gems you can google:

    "I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East, and sending liberals to Guantanamo."

    "If you don't hate Bill Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."

    "When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

    "Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant."

    And topped off by my favorite...

    "A central component of liberal hate speech is to make paranoid accusations based on their own neurotic impulses, such as calling Republicans angry, hate-filled, and mean."

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    Ernesto (none / 0) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 07:14:05 PM EST
    She makes you tremble in your tracks, eh?
    ;-)

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    You completely missed the point. (none / 0) (#73)
    by Pancho on Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 12:32:15 AM EST
    Jarober never suggested that Coulter doesn't hate liberals, of course she hates them. Read what he wrote again.

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    I'll never understand (none / 0) (#41)
    by aahpat on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 07:42:35 AM EST
    As someone who was in the J business, and who's wife still is, I will never understand how writers who have experienced the freedom of writing for media or opinion can subjugate their intellects by becoming PR flacks for politicians or organizations.

    These two will not last long with Edwards and his damning with feint praise defense of them.

    sure you can (none / 0) (#42)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 07:44:40 AM EST
     power and/or money...

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    Coulter; a Timothy McVeigh sympathizer (none / 0) (#43)
    by aahpat on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 07:46:15 AM EST
    Republican opinion leader Ann Coulter, "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

    She had no problem with McVeigh mass murdering Americans. Just the target he picked.

    It's like debating an echo (none / 0) (#44)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:13:39 AM EST
    Jarober, you win. I give up. I teach in college, but I can't handle the kindergarten level.

    Nicely done, Che. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 09:25:14 AM EST
    "To argue... (none / 0) (#47)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 10:59:18 AM EST
    with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason...  is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine

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    Nice Quote worth repeating (none / 0) (#48)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 11:09:18 AM EST
    with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason...  is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine


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    He (none / 0) (#49)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 11:15:05 AM EST
    George Chuvalo'd you, Che:
    A comment thread denizen who just won't quit. Nobody could knock George Chuvalo down. He just kept smashing the other guy in the fists with his face until the fight was over.
    [Chuvalo was a heavyweight fighter in the 1970s who fought Frazier, Ali, etc.]


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    Che (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 10:25:17 AM EST
    Pretty snarky...

    Can I say...

    "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach?"

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    I am not surprised that (none / 0) (#74)
    by Pancho on Sun Feb 11, 2007 at 12:33:32 AM EST
    as a college teacher you are a liberal who is incapable of a logical, honest debate.

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    That's a great (none / 0) (#50)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 01:59:23 PM EST
    Tom Paine quote. Thanks Des.

    Edger,

    Love the link. Chavalo'd is right. I also liked "Dead Centralism"- neither left, nor right, but just stupid and wrong.

    It could be worse (none / 0) (#51)
    by Edger on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 02:12:42 PM EST
    He could have "Zell-manella". ;-)

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    I edited... (none / 0) (#52)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 02:25:40 PM EST
    it a bit, but maintained the meaning. Here is the entire quote:

     "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture."


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    Squeaky (none / 0) (#54)
    by Che's Lounge on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 05:07:05 PM EST
    I agree with your #30 comment. You put it better.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 06:10:44 PM EST
    A slight tweak opens it up a bit and is a clearer expression of what you intended. Your comment was right on nontheless.


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    Squeaky, Edger, Che...et al (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 10:28:29 AM EST
    Ah, the back patting, hugging kissing and other demonstrations of group love and desire for approval is astounding..

    Of course eagles don't flock.

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    Whoa (none / 0) (#71)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 08:21:18 PM EST
    This thread is about John Edwards and the bloggers. How you got into anti-semitism I don't know.  Please stay on topic and save the rest for an open thread.

    Now that (none / 0) (#76)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 08:36:40 AM EST
    both women have quit the campaign, it's hard to see how this could have possibly played out worse for Edwards.

      Hiring them was an obviously bad move. Stating their prior writings were personally offensive but OK and they wouyld be retained because they were on their personal blogs was foolish as it pleased no one on either side and appeared weak, vacillating  and hopelessly insincere. Retaining them and them having them quit a week later means basically he lost that one on every level imaginable. The only good news is that is way early and most people are not paying much attention.