But the "REALITY" is that Matt is not even close to being clued in on the reality of the situation. I responded to him:
[W]hat [are] you and Chris are talking about here:
This wasn't the situation we had in mind, but any legal opposition to the war should suffice, given the way this administration operates. If they are going to flaunt any opposition, why haggle over the degree of opposition? The only continuing opposition to the current bill I can imagine now is a pure moral objection to supporting the war at all, even through a means to try and end it. But to do so would be to take yourself out of the debate and politicking entirely.
What the heck is Chris Bowers talking about? The issue is FUNDING the war, not registering your objections. Bush could care less about your objections.
And the funny thing if that is the point as Chris says, then what happens if it is stripped or if Bush certifies whatever you think he has to certify? Nothing of course. You guys continue:
I don't know if you agree with me, but I think this is a step in the right direction for progressives in the House. Just being willing to make a show of force for left-wing opposition to what Democrats do is a step in the right direction. You are right that this wasn't good enough (and the Senate bill showed it clearly wasn't good enough--progs like Feingold can do better to change Democratic direction all on their own than an entire caucus can do, apparently). But it was a step in the right direction.
You mean caving in after opposing the bill? Showing that the Dem Leadership will stand up to you but not the Blue Dogs or the GOP? Woo hoo! What a win!
[You and Chris say:]
And, you are also right that the votes aren't there, either. Whether in the House, the Senate, or the White house, this bill is probably going down. I am mostly concerned about how hard the House leadership is willing to fight back. It is a bar fight primary moment.
The truth about McCain
by Chris Bowers on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 12:20:58 AM EST
And the Dem Leadership got laid out. Woo hoo!! Yay team! Oh wait, you [Matt] think the bill will "pass":
I think the bill can pass, actually. The important test is what happens when Bush says 'no, I don't think I have to listen to Congress'.
If I were a prog caucus member, I would cut a deal with leadership and say 'I'll support your stupid compromise if you support our strong enforcement of that compromise when Bush gives Congress the middle finger'.
by Matt Stoller on Mon Mar 12, 2007 at 12:23:15 AM EST
Pffft. IF it has any teeth at all, McConnell will filibuster or Bush will veto. NOT passing bills is the way to do this.
That is the reality. But frankly, I think the Netroots has taken on a bit of DC Beltway "reality" these days on Iraq. The battles seem to be on the less important stuff.
Perhaps I am being unfair but it does not seem so to me right now.