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What Is It With The Obama Campaign?

Honestly, people think I just look for reasons to criticize Senator Barack Obama and his campaign but they must admit I do not need to look very hard. Look at what one of his key advisors Samantha Power said:

I got to talk a little bit about it with Samantha Power, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author on the subject of genocide and an informal advisor to Mr. Obama's campaign who is helping to write the speech. "We're going to hear something very unusual on the left, which is a genuine pride in what America can be again," she told me.

That is outrageous! This is Obama and his campaign in a nutshell - 'look how great I am, I am not like those other Dems who hate America, religion and Republicans.'

This is right out of the Joe Lieberman school. I am really fed up with the whole mindset of the Obama campaign - belittling Dems to try and make yourself look great is simply awful.

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    Amen (5.00 / 8) (#1)
    by magster on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:28:39 PM EST
    Obama was my choice until the "I have to think about" waffle on the "is gay immoral?" question.

    And he just sunk to third with this crap.  

    How about the audacity of being proud to be a Democrat?

    Indeed (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:30:43 PM EST
    My DD post (5.00 / 7) (#11)
    by magster on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:47:36 PM EST
    from this morning talks about how wrong Obama is on Iraq,and how his poll numbers are starting to slide.  It looks like I'm not the only one turning away from Obama.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/4/13/101420/181#commenttop

    It's so stupid too.  Obama had a documented no vote on the Iraq war in 2003 when Edwards and Clinton didn't.  He had this issue sealed up with the Dem base if he wanted it....

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    you're quite right (5.00 / 6) (#5)
    by profmarcus on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:41:34 PM EST
    that IS outrageous...

    i was just now commenting on larisa's blog... she's traveling in a 3d world country and experiencing a fair amount of anti-american sentiment, and i was reflecting that i get the same here in argentina... however, as always, when i show warmth and goodwill and a willingness to accept people as they are, people almost never fail to reciprocate... folks are still very warm to the american PEOPLE, they just don't care for our government, and who can blame them...

    i happen to care very much for my country and hate to see what a relatively small group of criminals is doing to it... i don't spent most of my waking hours blogging because i hate it...

    obama had better get a goddam clue... he's already lost me...

    And, yes, I DO take it personally

    He's leaking support (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:47:59 PM EST
    Check the latest ARG. Down 7 points.

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    A growing question (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:43:20 PM EST


    Great post, BTD (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by glanton on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:46:02 PM EST
    This guy's always been a waste of time as far as I'm concerned.  Panderer.

    Edwards like all politicians panders some.  Still, and by a long sight, he has the most integrity, shows the most ability to lead, and the most commitment to restoring a sense of decency to the White House, of the three high profile candidates.    

    Disagree about Edwards (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:04:06 PM EST
    the entire message of his campaign is distant from his Seante record. (Much like Obama actually. . .)

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    andgarden (none / 0) (#28)
    by glanton on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:11:59 PM EST
    I know there's a difference between his Senate record and what he's running on now, but there's only one difference, a huge one, but only one:

    IRAQ

    I am glad he recognizes the error of what he did, and has apologized for it.  H.R. Clinton stands by her vote, and passes the buck, for example.

    Please note I'm not hyping Edwards or any other politicians.  I only said that of the three high profile Dem candidates he's been the most forthright, shown the most integrity.  He has taken policy stands re Poverty and Health Care from which he has yet to even slightly waver, and so slowly, happily, I begin to believe that the man actually does take those issues seriously.

    Dodd?  I confess my only knowledge of him has come off this blog, and it aint much.  Maybe he is what BTD says he is, I hope so.  We need more people willing to lead and fight for decency, Lord knows.  I do know Dodd recently spoke out very strongly on behalf of gay rights, which is great.  But we must admit that as of now he's second tier; maybe that will change.


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    More than one difference (none / 0) (#29)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:13:14 PM EST
    I won't go through it now, but Iraq isn't the only issue, it's just the most craven.

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    All right, I exaggerated (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by glanton on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    You don't need to give me a bunch of links I know he wasn't some model champion in the Senate.  Where was he in fighting the Patriot Act for example? As with almost all of them we can find a lot of bad things.  Iraq was his worst moment, though, and he has apologized for it, and that is a good thing.

    Again. I'm only comparing him to two other people.  And neither of those two other people stake out positions, it's all finger in the wind and cult of personality.

    If a better candidate gets into the picture I'll support that one happily.  I just very much pray I'm not put into a position in November 2008 where I have no choice but to vote for H.R.C. or Obama.


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    And the world continues to ignore... (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by brianberkowitz on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:50:28 PM EST
    Bill Richardson.

    Seriously what does the man have to do in order to get noticed.

    There isn't a single candidate on either side of the aisle with the experience and know-how that Richardson has.

    If you really want to get this country back on track...their isn't another candidate that can do the job like Richardson.

    cheers

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    Endorse Reid-Feingold (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:51:52 PM EST
    I'm beginning to believe that (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:57:35 PM EST
    What a shame.

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    a shame?? Edwards IS the best! (none / 0) (#18)
    by annefrank on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:02:45 PM EST
    Still is a shame (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:04:10 PM EST
    and Dodd is the BEST!

    Go Dodd!

    Heh.

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    So Obama is going to give us (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:52:46 PM EST
    "It's morning in America!" I slept in the last time and I can't seem to get inspired this time either.  It is really f***ed in America and I wish I was sleeping, having a nightmare!

    Obama Bashing (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by Downtowner on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:18:17 PM EST
    I must say, I've been getting increasingly upset with Obama-bashing for a while now.

    Part of what's really annoyed me is that I live in Illinois and like many here, I was aware of, and impressed with, Obama before he made that speech that made him a star.  He has an impressive progressive record here, is a compelling individual who commands attention and I just kept thinking I wished the rest of the country could view him in the light of his entire record, rather than the face-of-Obama that is being revealed by a random interview answer here or a line in a speech there.

    Problem is, over the last few weeks, I've had to concede that those answers and lines are adding up.  And that, perhaps, just maybe, instead of wishing those who became aware of Obama after he became a national figure would think of his record before, I had better pay attention to what he is doing now.  I can't help feeling that he has traded the genuine possibility of greatness-in-the-making, for a packaged, processed, homogenized version of an image he once, briefly, evoked.

    It may be bad choice of advisors and handlers, but he chose them.  

    So bash away BTD and all you other Obama-bashers out there: at this point I'm just hoping you get his attention and he comes to his senses before it's too late.  

    I (still) want to believe.  

    It's just getting very hard.

    Join the club. n/t (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:19:38 PM EST
    This has always been my point (5.00 / 5) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:23:22 PM EST
    Problem is, over the last few weeks, I've had to concede that those answers and lines are adding up.  And that, perhaps, just maybe, instead of wishing those who became aware of Obama after he became a national figure would think of his record before, I had better pay attention to what he is doing now.  I can't help feeling that he has traded the genuine possibility of greatness-in-the-making, for a packaged, processed, homogenized version of an image he once, briefly, evoked.

    Frankly, I have no doubt Obama will be a progressive President. It is what he is. But he is damaging the Party and HIMSELF by practiicng the wrong brand of politics.

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    To invert (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:25:21 PM EST
    I have exactly the opposite problem with Edwards. He's got the right message, but I have my doubts about how he'll make decisions as President (as compared to other Dems, including Hillary).

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    Fair point (none / 0) (#45)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:31:27 PM EST
    Dodd is the man! Heh.

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    This is so incredibly frustrating (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Nonpartisan on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:45:14 PM EST
    Obama is easily the most intelligent and oratorically gifted Democratic Presidential politician of his generation, and yet every time I get close to supporting him he says something that makes me want to run away and hide.

    I'm still supporting Edwards, but I honestly don't see any scenario in which he wins.  I'm thinking of switching to Richardson.

    Say what? (none / 0) (#57)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:51:10 PM EST
    You don't see how Edwards wins but you see Richardson winning?

    Sheesh.

    Here are some thing for you to consider. Iowa. Nevada. South Carolina.

    Edwards has a much better chance of winning than Obama.

    Hillary still the slight fsvorite imo.

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    Aren't you ignoring the Feb 5 primaries? (none / 0) (#62)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:53:05 PM EST
    Or do you think whoever wins Iowa and NH wins big on Feb 5?

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    The latter (none / 0) (#65)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:55:14 PM EST
    I played this game in 2004.

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    There will be some momentum... (none / 0) (#67)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 03:00:54 PM EST
    but California and some of the other states were never on Feb 5 before.  And absentee ballots will be cast before Feb, 5.  Depending on when they are mailed out, they may be cast weeks before Feb. 5.  But I'm not sure how that will play out.

    Edwards will be competitive no doubt.

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    I meant (none / 0) (#70)
    by Nonpartisan on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 03:36:10 PM EST
    winning in the general.  He's both too liberal and too conservative for most moderates, if that makes any sense.

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    It doesn't (none / 0) (#72)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 03:45:06 PM EST
    make sense and is not supported by the polls at all.

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    General election polls mean nothing this far out (none / 0) (#75)
    by Nonpartisan on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 04:21:27 PM EST
    Edwards is overextended on a number of issues.  Things like the blogger flap and his very liberal economic policies will come back to haunt him with centrists, while liberals don't trust him because of his Senate record and foreign-policy hawkishness.  Plus, compared to someone like Thompson or even McCain, he looks like a little boy -- not the guy people want to lead them out of the morass.

    Both Obama and Richardson are theoretically ideally suited to capitalize on these problems, but neither has been successful as of yet.  That leaves Hillary.

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    What did Obama say? n/t (none / 0) (#58)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:51:19 PM EST
    This time it was the campaign (none / 0) (#71)
    by Nonpartisan on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 03:42:11 PM EST
    But Obama is responsible for them, just as Kerry was responsible for Jim Jordan.

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    He is the only one that makes sense. (none / 0) (#64)
    by brianberkowitz on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:53:47 PM EST
    Richardson can save our nation.

    cheers

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    Sigh (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by scarshapedstar on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 05:28:20 PM EST
    I'll still go see him speak tomorrow. But I might make a "draft Gore" sign. :)

    One wonders (2.00 / 1) (#69)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 03:31:16 PM EST
    if Obama doesn't think he can win by sister souljahing us.

    If so, I rather doubt he's right.

    You're . . (1.00 / 1) (#4)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:39:52 PM EST
    belittling Dems to try and make yourself look great is simply awful

    joking, right?

    Stupid Larry (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:41:57 PM EST
    Honestly, I thought you were smarter than this.

    You can't even condemn THIS?

    Instead an attempted shot at me, a cnadidate for nothing?

    Call me on belittling other bloggers, your little smear would make more sense then.

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    Name calling not permitted. (3.00 / 2) (#23)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:06:02 PM EST
    Or is that only me?

    Do you seriously suggest that there's anything horrible in that comment?  You yourself have said far worse about Obama and other Democrats.  Far worse.

    That was a little nothing comment by someone nominally associated with Obama's campaign.  Every says the same stuff.  Certainly Chris "I support Don Imus" Dodd does.

    And, frankly, she was right.  The Dems have traditionally lagged in the Great America rhetoric.  Now, that kind of rhetoric is not to my taste but, sadly, my taste is not widely held by American voters.  If Obama's going to run with it I hope he does a good job.

    Your seems to be trapped in a syllogism that goes like this: Obama bad. Obama speaks.  Therefore, whatever he says is bad.

    For the record, I have no idea who I will vote for in the primaries.  At dKos, an anti-Hillary site, I defend Clinton.  Here, an anti-Obama site, I defend Obama.

    I may not like every little thing that these people say or do (or that people peripherally associated with their campaigns say or do).  But they are all (throwing Edwards into the mix) fine and honorable Democrats.

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    Your comment is stupid (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:09:19 PM EST
    Especially so since you are smart.

    I called your comment a name.

    "Do you seriously suggest that there's anything horrible in that comment?  You yourself have said far worse about Obama and other Democrats.  Far worse."

    This is a stupid comment too. I am not a Democratic politician.

    Sheesh Larry. Give me something better.

    The rest of your comment is debatable at best. But I would not rip you for saying it as you are NOT a Democratic politician.

    Again, sheesh.

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    You wrote. . . (1.00 / 1) (#36)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:23:18 PM EST
    "Stupid Larry" not "Stupid, Larry".  In both your business and mine a missing comma can wreak havoc.  For my part, I certainly did not realize I was supposed to interpolate any punctuation.

    The liberal blogosphere is unquestionably part of Democratic Party politics.  It certainly wasn't clear to me that you were establishing two separate standards of behavior -- one for Democratic partisans and one for the politicians themselves.

    Even if true, the woman who made these comments is not herself a politician.  Can you construct a case in which you could assign her a separate code of conduct from your own?  I suppose so, but it would involve an awfully fine splitting of hairs.

    But that's OK, we can disagree on that.  The important thing is that you recognize that your own behavior towards Democratic candidates has been worse than this woman's -- even if you feel that it is not incumbent on you to behave better.

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    Oh please (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:25:27 PM EST
    We have set face to face twice.

    We have fought like cats and dogs over everything.

    Is there a snowball's chance in hell you think I think you are stupid?  

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    It surpasses my understanding. . . (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:45:56 PM EST
    how anyone could think I'm anything less than brilliant.  Still, it's been known to happen.  And you did write it.

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    Obama advisor and speechwriter (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:26:12 PM EST
    LEt me tell you if I was anyone's advisor and speechwriter, I would not write what I write.

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    Now clarified. (none / 0) (#73)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 04:03:08 PM EST
    She was not speaking on behalf of the campaign, but in her capacity as a Professor of International Relations.  TPM has the story.

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    Too late (none / 0) (#76)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 04:31:16 PM EST
    Got my shots in already.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#77)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 04:33:17 PM EST
    Not on the speech and the Left.

    Not disclaimed.

    Thus, endorsed.

    Obama sucks!

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    He is (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Nonpartisan on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 04:54:28 PM EST
    teh suxor...

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    Was Samantha Power speaking for herself or... (none / 0) (#8)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:44:11 PM EST
    the campaign?  Is it fair to pin this on the Obama campaign?  The story says she is an "informal advisor" helping to write an upcoming foreign policy speech which will promote respect as a force in foreign policy.  While I agree that she could have chosen her words more carefully and precisely, I am not sure what she meant to say.  Is she criticising the left or Dems or neither?  

    Excuse me? (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:46:09 PM EST
    Obama speechwriter and advisor? Said this?

    "We're going to hear something very unusual on the left, which is a genuine pride in what America can be again"

    And you are pretending NOT to understand it?

    You're smarter than this.

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    What about whether she is speaking for... (none / 0) (#13)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:51:00 PM EST
    herself or the campaign?  Notice that in the update Powers apparently asked that comments about Edwards and Clinton be attributed to her only.  Is this true about this comment as well?

    What is ambiguous to me is that she is speaking about foreign policy and does not mention Dems as far as I can tell.

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    Interestingly (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:54:39 PM EST
    the comment I objected to was not asked to be attributed to her separately.

    Telling.


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    True, but has she or the Obama campaign... (none / 0) (#17)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 01:58:37 PM EST
    realized yet what a potentially damaging comment it is that you refer to in this diary?

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    They make comments like that all the time (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:03:06 PM EST
    That is their mindset.

    Look, this is nothing new for Obama or his campaign.

    You must know I have been on him about this propensity for some time now.

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    Was it Power's personal opinion? (none / 0) (#25)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:07:59 PM EST
    Why don't you ask the Obama campaign that question?

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    Excuse me? (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:11:25 PM EST
    Obama's campaign only answers queries from "serious journalists."

    And if you think it is not properly attributable to Obama's campaign then you have not followed politics very closely.

    Ever heard of Michael Moore?

    But it is worse than that. Obama and his team say things like that ALL THE TIME.

    This is NOT out of character.

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    I'm not being critical of you. I was just... (none / 0) (#46)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:33:55 PM EST
    suggesting e-mailing his campaign as a possible way of clearing up the question I asked.  Have you have e-mailed the Obama campaign before only to have them fail to reply?  Remember I am not being critical of you here.

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    Yes (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:34:36 PM EST
    IGNORED!

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    Thanks. Shame on the Obama campaign! n/t (none / 0) (#48)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:41:09 PM EST
    Not really (none / 0) (#51)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:42:25 PM EST
    Okay, I have to ask? Why not? n/t (none / 0) (#52)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:45:10 PM EST
    Cuz they must get 1000 a day (none / 0) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:52:22 PM EST
    They need a filtering process. n/t (none / 0) (#66)
    by cal11 voter on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:56:10 PM EST
    No good answer (none / 0) (#68)
    by Downtowner on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 03:19:01 PM EST
    Really, there is no good answer they could give BTD.  I recently spent a (slightly hellish)year being a campaign's "official" spokesperson and there is a shocking amount of time spent on clarifying the opinions of people who are paid staffers, paid but not on staff consultants, random volunteers, big contributors, and yes even the, um, candidate.  

    It's simply a losing proposition to offend supporters in any of these categories by repudiating their remarks (throw a volunteer under the bus for being enthusiastic, but having a slight case of foot-in-mouth and you offend all of your volunteers), so you do not do so unless you can and should categorically repudiate a statement as completely false or really offensive - i.e. if they are in direct and glaring opposition to the exact message of the campaign, and/or offensive, and/or not disappearing on their own simply because you are ignoring them and not keeping a dialog open about them.  Also, you could spend all your time "clarifying" stuff.  So you try to ignore a lot of this stuff - and BTD is easier to ignore than say the NY Times.

    In this case, I don't see how they could completely repudiate this remark, because BTD is right about this: this is not out of character with previous Obama messaging, in fact, it is sadly consistent with some remarks uttered by Obama himself.

    Moreover, this is not some volunteer fetching coffee and passing out yard signs.  She may be an "unofficial" advisor, but she is a speechwriter.  It is her job, and all of her job, to effectively convey the campaign's message - to literally put words in the candidate's mouth.  

    If a speechwriter on a campaign does not know what the candidate's message is, or is unable to convey it's meaning in a clear way, they are screwed on whole other levels.

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    Argh (none / 0) (#19)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:02:58 PM EST
    Well, I'm moving into my second week of disalignment from Obama. Edwards isn't an option for me (search my comments if you care to know why).

    Why, oh why, did Obama have to latch on to Tom Daschle???

    Dodd is the man! (none / 0) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:14:53 PM EST
    Heh.

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    Heh, indeed (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:18:38 PM EST
    If nothing else changes, and he's on my ballot next November, I might vote for him in protest.

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    Any word yet. . . (none / 0) (#38)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:24:40 PM EST
    on whether he's going to select Don Imus as his running mate?

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    Zing! (none / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:26:55 PM EST
    Am I supposed to get all flustered by that?

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    You mean. . . (none / 0) (#43)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:28:44 PM EST
    I haven't reduced you to tears?

    Curses, foiled again.

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    Kos said (none / 0) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:42:00 PM EST
    No crying in blogging . . .

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    However. . . (none / 0) (#44)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:29:48 PM EST
    I actually would have thought the Imus thing would bother you.

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    Well (none / 0) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:41:18 PM EST
    Don't tell anybody, but all I care about right now is Iraq.

    Dodd has no chance. I endorsed him for Reid-Feingold.

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    I disagree, consider this... (none / 0) (#24)
    by lilybart on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:07:39 PM EST
    I have been praying for a candidate that would do exactly what Power's is suggesting.

    America the Ideal (the the current incarnation) is the best way to govern that the world has seen. Our strength is in our Ideals---human rights, transparent democracy, equal justice for all and adherence to the Rule of Law, not of men.

    When we on the left criticize American policy, we get called the Blame America First crowd etc. We know how strong the Ideal is, and we LOVE what AMerica stands for and that is what we want to protect.

    The only way to get most people to agree that torture and rendition and bullying and preempitive wars are WRONG, is to make them understand that we are undermining our REAL STRENGTH, which is to be the moral leader of the free world.

    We need people to understand that the soft power of Ideas and Ideals is stronger than guns or money or Islamist terror. But to survive the Right Wing attack machine, we have to start by becoming proud of what America is, and how the REPS have tarnished it and taken away our real power and influence in the world.

    This sounds like a great start for Obama to articulate the real greatness of America, and progressive foreign policy.

    So you support the comment (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:14:27 PM EST
    Well, that's on you.

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    I agree with this (none / 0) (#55)
    by Peaches on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:46:02 PM EST
    But, think the comment was stupid. I think all Democrats should talk about the ideals of America are what makes America great and not our power, economy and guns.

    If this is what Powers was attempting to do, she was very careless in her wordchoice. However, I don't think it is wrong for any democratic candidate to begin with an emphasis on the strength in American ideals and these ideals are more in alliance with the liberal and democratic agenda in America than the current agenda of the Republican party. From there it is an easy transistion to being strongly against the Iraq was and supporting Reid-Fiengold. Obama has not done that, yet. This reflects more poorly on him than the comment by Powers, imo.

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    That's a flip answer (none / 0) (#59)
    by quihana on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:51:29 PM EST
    to lilybart's extensive response. I don't think Power's statement means what you take it to mean. It's accurate to point out that we on the left haven't had much occasion to be proud of our country's behavior in the world in recent years. Obama's desire to change that state of affairs is not an indictment of his party, it's a call to action.

    Whatever (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 02:53:12 PM EST
    To be fair (none / 0) (#74)
    by Alien Abductee on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 04:06:21 PM EST
    Samantha Power's comment comes I think from a different direction than you're suggesting. She believes in using American strength, including military power, to do good in the world - protect human rights, intervene to stop genocides, etc. A liberal, realist, engaged, and human-rights-focused foreign policy. The abuse of U.S. power over the years under the cover of such goals has bred such cynicism over motives whenever U.S. strength is used, particularly from the progressive side of the Democratic Party, that a non-evil foreign policy that isn't isolationist has become almost impossible, according to this way of thinking, something she (and apparently Obama since he's hired her as an adviser) would like to change.

    What I think of this I won't get into at this point, but I'd just like to clarify that I don't think it comes from the motives being imputed here. It's arising from her international policy idealism particularly with regard to U.S. approach to genocide rather than his political sharp elbows.

    That takes (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by yetimonk on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 05:56:47 PM EST
    a lot of reading between the lines to arrive at that conclusion and is quite at odds with the simpler, more direct implications of the statement as illuminated by BTD. If it is the underlying motive, the comment still directly reinforces the repug/lieberman frame of the dirty treasonous left, even if only accidentally. Shame on her.

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    Simpler (none / 0) (#81)
    by Alien Abductee on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 06:24:05 PM EST
    isn't always correcter.

    Try this - the Pulitzer Prize winning book she wrote on American policy response to genocide in the 20th century.

    Her thing is the principled response to the abuse of human rights, especially genocide. She's a former journalist who covered Bosnia and a scholar whose area is foreign policy as it relates to genocide. She's not some triangulating DLC politico.

    You might also want to read this interview with her from the Institute of International Studies at Berkeley.

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    In this case it is (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 06:27:06 PM EST
    And in the case of POLITCS, it CLEARLY is.

    You surprise me withyour contortions on this.

    Disappointed in you frankly. Generally you shy away from ridiculous arguments.

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    Where's the contortion? (none / 0) (#83)
    by Alien Abductee on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 06:51:03 PM EST
    She's speaking to what's important to her. And she's clearly not a DLC hack. Frankly, I'm disappointed in you for this careless post. I don't like how her words came out either, but it's clearly coming from her obsession not from Obama elbowing aside the competition. My perhaps more charitable reading is that when she says "We're going to hear something very unusual on the left, which is a genuine pride in what America can be again," she means this will happen because America will stop acting like an a**hole and will be worthy of that pride again.

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    Say what? (none / 0) (#84)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 07:30:17 PM EST
    She is talking about Obama's speech which she helped write.

    She is an Obama advisor!

    Stop it.

    Speaking for herself. Sheesh. Even the update does not deal with the phrase I object to.

    You need to deal with reality here.

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    The speech (none / 0) (#85)
    by Alien Abductee on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 08:21:44 PM EST
    that lays out his major policy proposals "for improving America's damaged international standing"  that will make us all proud of what America is doing again.

    If you'll notice, I didn't say she's only "speaking for herself."

    But I think it's worth noting she's an informal advisor brought in for her foreign policy perspective, not a professional political hack working to position her candidate. That makes me cut her (and Obama) a little slack because as such I don't expect her to be as adept as she might be on the nuance of her words from a political campaign perspective.

    I'll be happy to leave it at that if you are.

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    Politics is what this is (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 09:30:49 PM EST
    For crissakes. This is not an academic exercise.

    Are they just a bunch of amateurs then?? Then get out of the Presidential race.

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    Amateurs (none / 0) (#88)
    by Alien Abductee on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 09:45:11 PM EST
    She is, in terms of political positioning. She is an academic.

    If you'd just slammed the words and left it at that I wouldn't have raised an objection. It was the imputation of ugly motive to Obama that got my goat. Slam him when he deserves it, please, but not when he doesn't. This was a gaffe - slam him for his shoddy control over his campaign then.

    If he's really about doing this I want to see him succeed. Please help him, don't hurt him.

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    I impute what I always impute (none / 0) (#89)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 10:05:03 PM EST
    BAD politics and the desire to aggrandize himself at the expense of Democrats.

    The evidence is clear.

    And let me put it plainly to you, ACADEMICS do not get to talk for the campaign. Politicos do.

    Shut her up if she is an amateur.

    Please do not become another Obama cultist.

    I would rip ANY campaign that did this.

    And I always will.

     

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    Cultist (none / 0) (#90)
    by Alien Abductee on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 10:32:48 PM EST
    Not me. Never me.

    the desire to aggrandize himself at the expense of Democrats.

    He does that, but he didn't do that in this case. Rip him for bad politics and for letting amateurs and academics muck up his campaign messaging. That would be fair. Helpful even.

    I will rip unfair, unreasonable ripping of him or others when I see it.

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    I ripped his campaign (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 10:58:38 PM EST
    for which he is responsible for.

    And indeed, this tone and strategy has been Obama for the past year.

    You are not paying attention.

    But keep whistling past the graveyard, Obama is in trouble right now though he and his supporters seem not to realize it.

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    If I wanted to argue this into the ground (none / 0) (#92)
    by Alien Abductee on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 11:26:17 PM EST
    I'd point out that I'm paying attention enough to know that Samantha Power is an academic and not a politico.

    But I don't.

    So I won't.

    If Obama fails, I believe he'll have earned his failure. He's had breaks none of the others have had with the media, and yet he still never fails to reach out to his base...to bash them - us...over and over. But it wasn't a case of that, this time.

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    His advisor did it for him this time (none / 0) (#93)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 11:30:58 PM EST
    Yes (none / 0) (#94)
    by Alien Abductee on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 11:34:50 PM EST
    Inadvertently.

    I'd agree with that.

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    HRC is playing y'all (none / 0) (#87)
    by Miss Devore on Fri Apr 13, 2007 at 09:36:32 PM EST
    like the well-tempered clavier.

    Interesting-Obama's fundraising last week was notable in almost approaching HRC's in dollar amount, but the most significant thing was the indication that there were actually more people behind that money. HRC has the bucks-up donors, essentially.

    All of a sudden, across the "liberal" blogs, Obama turns into an imus-critter.Sprinkled with notes of   "we-should-just-accept-Hillary"

    I understand what the spokesperson said about something the left was not accustomed to-speaking of the promise of America. Hello-all you mostly white folk bloggers, with financial comforts--try to think for a moment what Obama's "promise of America" theme might resonate with immigrants. Asians. Mexican-Americans.

    and think of JFK worship--how we embraced a young president, the first Catholic one, with political connections up the butt (Daley machine endorsed, especially)

    Let me remind you--what was John Kerry's tepid promise? "Let America be America Again" Fine as an intellectual construct, but who, on the left, among the Dems, actually gave consonance to that theme? Besides the fact that it was lamely phrased, sounding more like Fritz Perls therapeutics.

    Richardson-creds for foreign policy thangs. dodd for current anti-war soundings.

    Don't be stupid. Hagel would beat them all in a heartbeat--Hagel is anti-Iraq war and a good looking man. That will trump HRC in an instant.

    Obama v. Hagel would be a race that I think Obama could win. (and yes, I will send the Je blague diary about Matthew Shepard/Rachel Corrie/Daniel Pearl to Obama hisself.)

    And I will ask him to weigh on guiliani's response  to the African artist who depicted THE VIRGIN MARY WITH DUNG at the Brooklyn Museum years ago.

    anyway, must return to the "vipers" at marisacat, my "den sweet den", all declared dead by M-shock and others, yet, strangely we live. MCat has earned her cynicism and I love her to death, and she is the cynical standard that one must apply to.

    that said, devore is still inspecting Obama, and could give a rat's ass if the "major blogs" are intent on tearing him apart.