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Crooked Talk on McCain From WaPo

David Broder and Fred Hiatt both seem intent on destroying what little is left of the reputation of the Washington Post Opinion pages. Earlier Broder talked crooked about McCain's "straight talk". Today, Hiatt makes it up on McCain's delusion:

The central issue of this election is the war in Iraq, and the senator is the candidate most identified with making the case for war in the first place and for not leaving precipitously now. He did not shrink from the issue in his announcement, admitting the war "has not gone well" and referring to it in appropriately cautionary terms. . . . Mr. McCain did not say so, but he has been making these points since well before the invasion. Whatever your position on the war, then or now, Mr. McCain deserves credit for foresight and consistency about how the war should have been waged.

Hiatt is not telling the truth here. McCain did not consistently say these things. I will evidence this on the flip.

On February 13, 2003, John McCain said:

"Proponents of containment claim that Iraq is in a 'box.' But it is a box with no lid, no bottom, and whose sides are falling out. Within this box are definitive footprints of germ, chemical and nuclear programs, and from it has come blood money for Palestinian terrorists, and support for the international terrorism of Al Qaeda and Ansar al-Islam. And as he has done before, at a time of his choosing, Saddam Hussein will spring, like a jack-in-the-box, to reign devastation on his people and his neighbors, a devastation against which the daily curse of living in the shadow of his terror will pale.

Everything John McCain said then was not only false, it was knowingly false. There were no nuclear weapons programs. There were no connections between Saddam and Al Qaida. McCain was giving crooked talk and so was and is Hiatt. The both of them are either fools or lying. They certainly are not honorable men.

On March 19, 2003, John McCain said:

So I respectfully disagree with the remarks of the Senator from West Virginia. I believe the President of the United States has done everything necessary and has exercised every option short of war, which has led us to the point we are today. I believe that, obviously, we will remove a threat to America's national security because we will find there are still massive amounts of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

These statements, statements Fred Hiatt made at the same time, were false.

On March 20, 2003, John McCain said:

"There has been no rush to war. That the United States exhausted diplomacy is evident in both the 12-year history of our dealings with Iraq since the first Gulf War and the six month effort at the Security Council to build consensus on the need to disarm Iraq. There will be plenty of time to discuss the American diplomatic campaign that preceded the war once military action is over. There is no cause to do so today.

This was and is false.

On April 10, 2003, John McCain said:

"Our successes in Iraq have been swift and impressive. Watching the events unfolding in Baghdad now, only three weeks since the war began, it is fair to say this campaign has been a rout. The defenders of Saddam Hussein, regular military and the terrorists who wage war behind women and children have not proven to be much of an obstacle to the rapid maneuver and inexorable progress of American fighting men and women and our coalition allies. "The fighting is not over, but military victory is very near, achieved more quickly than we could have realistically hoped, and with fewer casualties, both military and civilian, than military planners could have imagined. It is an absolutely stunning military triumph and the credit is due to resources much dearer to us than the impressive technological superiority we brought to the battlefield. It belongs to the courage of the men and women who rushed into harm's way because their country, unlike other countries, believes that armed forces can be a force for doing good in this world, for righting injustice, and for advancing the cause of real peace, when war is waged on behalf of the values of a free people.

No warning there from Mr. McCain. More like crowing. So much for straight talk. Of course Mr. Hiatt was saying the same thing.

On August 25, 2006, John McCain said:

"I have often emphasized the importance of leveling with the American people about the high costs and many difficulties of the mission, the potentially calamitous consequences of failure and the many benefits of success, as the President has also frequently stressed. But I have never intended my concern that the American public be fully informed about the conduct and consequences of the war to indicate any lessening of my support for our mission there. . . . I commend the President for his public statements offering Americans an honest assessment of the progress we have made in Iraq and the challenges that still confront us there, and, of course, for his determination to defend American security and international peace and stability by succeeding in this arduous and costly enterprise."

Commending Bush for his straight talk? That is like Fred Hiatt commending John McCain for his "reality show." It is a sham.

On October 12, 2006, John McCain said:

Today, Army Chief of Staff, General Peter J. Schoomaker announced that the Army has plans to keep the current level of soldiers in Iraq through 2010. Currently there are 141,000 troops in Iraq, including 120,000 soldiers . Earlier this year we heard reports that the Army would begin reducing the number of troops in Iraq to 100,000 by the end of the year. I support General Schoomaker's comments and believe we must increase troop strength if we are to win this war," McCain said.

Here is where McCain starts to tell some truth about himself. Since 2005, the Surge has been HIS recommended policy. President Bush is carrying out the McCain policy on Iraq. It is Fred Hiatt's policy too. And Joe Lieberman's.

Setting aside the fact that the surge is an absolutely stupid policy, where Hiatt's tells falsehoods is in saying John McCain said anything like that prior to 2005. He did not. He did not say anything but "we won" until 2005.

Hiatt credits McCain with "foresight and consistency." Hiatt is not telling the truth with he says this. McCain's own statements prove that Hiatt remains incapable of telling the truth about anything Iraq-related.

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    The surge (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by robotalk on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 11:08:17 AM EST
    should either be referred to as the Vietnam policy or the Friedman Unit policy;  McCain as the deeper, deeper into the quagmire politician.  

    You nailed the liar (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by fairleft on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 11:19:01 AM EST
    Broder, McCain, Hiatt, dishonorable men.

    You're kidding (1.00 / 3) (#4)
    by HeadScratcher on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:07:03 PM EST
    Whether you agree with him or not, I think McCain is far from a dishonorable person. He has sacrificed more for this country than you, me, or the vast majority of people ever will.

    He could simply be wrong. That is far different from dishonerable. Your comment, OTOH, may be right but it very dishonorable.

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    He could simply be wrong. (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:09:43 PM EST
    But he isn't. He's a liar.

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    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:11:17 PM EST
    A McCarthyite liar to boot.

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    He is an utterly dishonorable person (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:10:53 PM EST
    who will sell his soul to win the Presidency.

    He is a total phony liar.


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    No free passes for past honorable (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by fairleft on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 11:51:57 PM EST
    behavior.

    McCain's dishonorable behavior is lying, and he is doing so simply to make himself President. Those lies trample the best interests of the Iraqi people and of the American soldiers occupying Iraq.

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    I agree with your third sentence. (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 02:25:05 PM EST
    McCain's mind left long ago. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 11:41:34 AM EST
    Broder's and Hiatt's aren't far behind.

    McCain seems intent (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:19:33 PM EST
    to be Bob Dole 2008 with the added value of many more lies.

    Awww (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:25:45 PM EST
    now I have to clean coffee off the monitor. Jeeze!

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    He has to have (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:29:34 PM EST
    a post-9/11 mindset, after all.

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    Doesn't that (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:55:22 PM EST
    presuppose having a mind?

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    I was being snarky there (none / 0) (#12)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 12:58:56 PM EST
    but only somewhat. What kind of a mind thinks he can become president by appealing to these? It's a pretty limited market segment.

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    McCain's lies are just a small part of (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Edger on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 01:42:17 PM EST
    a metastasized malignancy.

    Ex-CIA Chief GeorgeTenet Says He Warned Hadley That Bush Was Lying
    George Tenet told former Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley in October 2002 that allegations about Iraq's attempt to acquire yellowcake uranium from Niger should immediately be removed from a speech President Bush was to give in Cincinnati. Tenet told Hadley that the intelligence was unreliable.

    "Steve, take it out," the ex-CIA director writes in a new book, "At the Center of the Storm," about a conversation he had with Hadley on October 5, 2002, about Iraq's alleged interest in uranium. As deputy National Security Adviser, Hadley was also in charge of the clearance process for speeches given by White House officials. "The facts, I told him, were too much in doubt."
    ...
    Tenet wrote in the book, apparently quoting from a memo sent to the White House. "Three points: (1) The evidence is weak. One of the two mines cited by the source as the location of the uranium oxide is flooded. The other mine cited by the source is under the control of French authorities; (2) the procurement is not particularly significant to Iraq's nuclear ambitions...And (3) we have shared points one and two with Congress



    Saint John just makes stuff up, fabrications. (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by walt on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 03:43:46 PM EST
    Think Progress © 2005-2007 Center for American Progress Action Fund
      On Mar 27, 07:
    Yesterday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told radio host Bill Bennett that President Bush's escalation is working. "There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today," he said. Today, when CNN's Wolf Blitzer asked McCain why Americans still aren't able to safely leave the Green Zone in Iraq, the senator replied that Blitzer was giving three-month-old talking points:

    "General Petraeus goes out there almost every day in an unarmed humvee. I think you oughta catch up. You are giving the old line of three months ago. I understand it. We certainly don't get it through the filter of some of the media."

    But according to CNN reporter Michael Ware, who has been in Iraq for four years, McCain is "way off base." He stated, "To suggest that there's any neighborhood in this city where an American can walk freely is beyond ludicrous. I'd love Sen. McCain to tell me where that neighborhood is and he and I can go for a stroll."

    After calling the lie about "safe neighborhoods" ludicrous, Ware goes on to take apart the humvee comment.
    And to think that Gen. David Petraeus travels this city in an unarmed humvee? I mean, in the hour since Sen. McCain's said this, I've spoken to military sources and there was laughter down the line. I mean, certainly the general travels in a humvee. There's multiple humvees around it, heavily armed. There's attack helicopters, predator drones, sniper teams, all sorts of layers of protection. So, no, Sen. McCain is way off base on this one.
     
    McCain makes up whatever lie he thinks will fly & throws it out there for propaganda effect.  If he's not instantly contradicted, it may stand.  The dolt needs a full-time truth squad to follow him around.  Ludicrous.  Laughter down the line.  Mr. Ware pretty will sums up the McCain campaign in 5 words.

    Alas (1.00 / 2) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 01:10:04 PM EST
    Venom. Nothing but pure venom.

    Do you think this is the way to win an election?

    Please, please keep it up.

    I didn't realize... (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by TomStewart on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 01:49:55 PM EST
    the BTD or Edgar were running for election this time around Jim. I think they are reacting to the wholesale selling out that McCain has done to win this nomination, sullying his former self and positions to appeal to those he'd once disdained.

    Is he lying, or does he believe what he's saying? Either he's a lair, or a fool. Either way, his numbers are dropping and the very people he's selling out to aren't buying it.

    So please, keep it but repubs, America is finally seeing you for what you are.

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    Classic (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by Warren Terrer on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 02:46:58 PM EST
    concern trolling.

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    "sold his soul" (1.00 / 2) (#20)
    by diogenes on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 07:33:30 PM EST
    McCain's being in favor of the war will not win the election.  It is colossally unpopular, as this site repeatedly states. Changing his position a la Hillary and the panderers might get him elected.  McCain may be wrong, but he is not a soul-selling pander-bear (Tsongas' words on Bill Clinton) who would say anything to be elected.

    Always being wrong on US disaster #1 (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by fairleft on Sun Apr 29, 2007 at 11:56:49 PM EST
    should disqualify from becoming President. Heck, in a rational country it would make him the last person anyone would want as President.

    And he panders just like all the major politicians do. You've just bought the MSM's lying pro-Republican spin that Dems pander and Repubs are straight-shooters.

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    He;s a GOP troll (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 12:39:19 AM EST
    He selling, not buying.

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    That's why he needs (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Edger on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 03:10:25 AM EST
    new batteries for his lamp. To help see himself clearly. Psychiatrist? Heal thyself.

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    He's a liar (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 12:38:43 AM EST
    And a flip flopper.

    Your comment is a nonsequitor.

    Now he pretends to be against howe Bush fought the war.

    My quotes priove him a liar.

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