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Missing Oil in Iraq

Either oil thieves have "siphoned off" 100,000 to 300,000 barrels of oil a day in Iraq for the last four years (perhaps explaining Dick Cheney's recent visit -- was he checking the pilfered oil stash?), or Iraq has been substantially puffing its oil production reports. Neither explanation would be good news for an administration that expects us to embrace its vision of Iraq as a nation where oil profits will bring peace and prosperity to all.

The report by the accountability office is the most comprehensive look yet at faltering American efforts to rebuild Iraq’s oil and electricity sectors.... The report also contains the most comprehensive assessment yet of the billions of dollars the United States and Iraq spent on rebuilding the oil and electricity infrastructure, which is falling further and further behind its performance goals.

The final version of the GAO report is expected to be released next week. Look for it late Friday, after the press has gone to bed.

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    15 to 20 Million$$/day (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by squeaky on Sat May 12, 2007 at 12:19:02 PM EST
    Not chump change. Could fund an entire war with that kind of dough, without congress.

    Re: without congress (none / 0) (#33)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:08:48 PM EST
    Pentagon Opens Inquiry of Troop-Support Group
    NYT via truthout:
    Washington - The Pentagon is looking into complaints that Defense Department officials charged with building public support for troops in Iraq and Afghanistan might have engaged in improper fund-raising and unauthorized spending, officials said Friday.


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    Could be (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by ding7777 on Sat May 12, 2007 at 12:19:54 PM EST
    The pump don't work, 'cause the vandals took the handles

    Edit (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Sailor on Sat May 12, 2007 at 05:25:12 PM EST
    "The pumps don't work because the vandals hid the scandals."

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    Someone has been puffing (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 12, 2007 at 12:56:34 PM EST
    oil production reports.  With all the daily blowing up of different pipelines I hear from soldiers I couldn't figure out how they were claiming the production that they were......now I know.

    Why release on Friday? GAO is Congress (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by aztrias on Sat May 12, 2007 at 04:27:02 PM EST
    The GAO is the investigative arm of Congress.  

    It makes no sense that a Democratically controlled Congress would bury an important document with a Friday release.

    Elections have consequences.

    playing for keeps (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Sumner on Sun May 13, 2007 at 03:36:02 AM EST
    Bill Moyers claims the real financial cost-of-the-war will be close to $1 trillion. He mentions that all the while, programs at home go without funding. He says there is no articulated exit strategy.

    What if the unspoken strategy actually exists and comes from an old addage: "You broke it, you bought it."

    elvis (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by cpinva on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:52:13 PM EST
    has the missing oil.

    Oil For Food (1.00 / 1) (#3)
    by talex on Sat May 12, 2007 at 12:35:11 PM EST
    This is kid of old news. It is been well reported for years now that there has been tanker trucks full of oil being siphoned off and being sold illegally on the market. You can bet that the money is going to the corrupt Iraqi government.

    You can also bet that just in the Oil For Food Program that there are American companies involved in the purchase of this oil.

    Cheney is probably one.

    ah, talex (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by conchita on Sat May 12, 2007 at 02:17:08 PM EST
    you told me a few days ago that i sounded like an irrational wacko for suggesting that the u.s. is stealing oil from the iraqis.  today you go so far as to suggest that "american companies are involved in the purchase of this oil" and i'll take it a step further.  

    i found it curious that the nyt article didn't mention haliburton, parsons, brown & root, etc. as possible perpetrators.  they have been retained to repair/replace the broken meters that measure the oil output.  it seems entirely possible to me that they might have a vested interest in not fulfilling this contract.  from an excellent alternet article by pratap chatterjee:

    After the 2003 invasion, the meters appear to have been turned off and there have since been no reliable estimates of how much crude has been shipped from the southern oil fields. (The northern oil fields in Kirkuk, which supply the Beiji refinery in Iraq and export crude to the Turkish port of Adana, has reliable metering but little oil to measure since insurgent attacks largely shut down the facility.)

    ...

    Neither US officials nor contractors have provided good reasons why, four years into the US occupation, the meters have not been calibrated, repaired, or replaced. One excuse is that the job of calibration requires special devices to assess the current meters and security issues make importing these devises problematic. Yet that and other security-related explanations fall apart given that the oil terminals are under 24 hour high security guard, lie more than 50 miles off-shore, and are accessible only by helicopter or ship.

    There are two possible explanations: that the project has been delayed by bureaucracy or that vested interests benefiting from the lack of oil metering (such as smugglers or corrupt officials) have prevented the project from moving forward.

    Skyrocketing Costs

    The RIO II project, which includes the meter repair work, has come under much criticism, although specific details are scarce.

    For example, the Bush administration issued Halliburton the RIO II order in January 2004 and gave detailed task orders in June. But despite not starting work until November 2004, the company charged the government millions of dollars for engineers who sat idle. Halliburton 's $296 million bill included at least 55 percent overhead. (In an estimate due later this month, SIGIR may predicts even higher overhead costs.)

    A Parsons joint venture (with Worley of Australia), was also issued a contract in January 2004, given detailed task orders in June, and started work in July 2004. It has also been accused of charging high overhead costs while idle, although not as much as Halliburton . SIGIR estimate pegs its overhead at 43 percent.

    In addition, in a series of scathing internal reports uncovered by Congressman Henry Waxman, supervisors Foster Wheeler criticized Halliburton 's cost. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers issued a "cure" notice on January 29, 2005, ordering Halliburton to do a better job or else. After Halliburton did improve its cost controls, the military turned over the southern oil work to Parsons in mid 2005.

    no one seems to know exactly why the meters have not been replaced or who is stealing the oil in iraq, the same way alberto gonzales had no idea how decisions were reached to fire u.s. attorneys.  my suspicion is that halliburton, etc., are making a killing by defrauding u.s. taxpayers, the iraqis who are losing oil revenues, and the consumers who are purchasing oil at a premium partially sustained by the chaos we maintain in iraq.

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    This... (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by desertswine on Sat May 12, 2007 at 03:31:07 PM EST
    actually stinks of US govt collusion.

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    more collusion (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Edger on Sat May 12, 2007 at 03:37:20 PM EST
    Burn pits are large dumps near military stations where they would burn equipment, trucks, trash, etc. If they ordered the wrong item, they'd throw it in the burn pit. If a tire blew on a piece of equipment, they'd throw the whole thing into the burn pit. The burn pits had so much equipment they even gave them a nickname: "Home Depot."
    ...
    He laughed and referred to one that he had seen that was 15 football fields large and burned around the clock! It infuriated him to have to burn stuff rather then give it to the Iraqis or to the military. Yet Halliburton was being rewarded each time they billed the government for a new truck or new piece of equipment. With a cost-plus contract, the contractors receive a percentage of the money they spend. As Shane told me, "It's a legal way of stealing from the government or the taxpayers' money." These costs eat up the money that could be used for other supplies.

    Cost-plus, no-bid contracts are hopelessly undermining our efforts and costing the taxpayers billions.

    link

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    Typical military under Republicans (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Sat May 12, 2007 at 04:33:27 PM EST
    My husband built an entire classroom on Fort Carson 8 years ago out of Air Force Academy rejects.  The Air Force always gets the best stuff, including housing ;(  Anyhow, my husband had to get vouchers or something to take away the throw aways for reuse....and Bill Clinton was President and military contractors didn't swim in pools of money then either!  Nice classroom though!

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    It gets worse (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Edger on Sat May 12, 2007 at 05:08:40 PM EST
    ...there are tens of thousands of private military contractors - a kind euphemism for mercenaries - operating today in Iraq. They are paid with American tax revenues to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, while operating with virtually no oversight and free from the strictures of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Dozens of acts of brutality and murder reportedly committed by these contractors have been alleged, but almost no contractor has been punished, sanctioned or even investigated for these acts. Because the Iraqi population does not make the distinction between American soldiers and these private contractors, the questionable activities of these contractors are blamed on US troops, further fanning the flames of outrage and vengeance.
    >>> Killing For Fun And Profit

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    Edger (1.00 / 2) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:34:01 AM EST
    Well, I see edger is trying to build traffic on his blog again...

    My problem with such charges is statements such as:

    there are tens of thousands of private military contractors

    That is obviously a HUGE overstatement.

    Do you have any factual information from a reliable source???

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    Take it up with (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:07:48 AM EST
    Jeremy Scahill, author of "Blackwater: Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army.", who testified that "there are tens of thousands of private military contractors" to the House Subcommittee on Appropriations last week, Jim.

    But then, had you read the article I linked to above, you'd know that...

    You can read it in the transcript of the committee session. It's public record. You do know how to search and find that yourself, I'm sure.

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    Or, you can watch the full program online (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:14:02 PM EST
    As the Army struggles to meet recruitment numbers, FRONTLINE takes a hard look at private contractors servicing U.S. military supply lines, running U.S. military bases, and protecting U.S. diplomats and generals. Between the logistics giant Halliburton and a myriad of armed security companies, private military contractors comprise the second largest "force" in Iraq, far outnumbering all non-U.S. forces combined. There are as many as 100,000 civilian contractors and approximately 20,000 private security forces.


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    VIDEO (none / 0) (#49)
    by Edger on Mon May 14, 2007 at 04:38:54 AM EST
    There is a youtube video of Scahill testifying here.

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    Full text of his testimony (none / 0) (#50)
    by Edger on Mon May 14, 2007 at 08:30:30 AM EST
    is here: Outsourcing The War

    One of the most striking parts of it is:

    As this Committee is well aware, we are now in the midst of the most privatized war in the history of our country. This is hardly a new phenomenon, but it is one that has greatly accelerated since the launch of the "global war on terror" and the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Many Americans are under the impression that the US currently has about 145,000 active duty troops on the ground in Iraq. What is seldom mentioned is the fact that there are at least 126,000 private personnel deployed alongside the official armed forces. These private forces effectively double the size of the occupation force, largely without the knowledge of the US taxpayers that foot the bill.
    ...
    we know that nearly 3,400 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq and more than 25,000 wounded. We do not know the exact number of private contractors killed or wounded. Through the US Department of Labor, we have been able to determine that at least 770 contractors had been killed in Iraq as of December 2006 along with at least 7,700 wounded. These casualties are not included in the official death count and help to mask the human costs of the war.
    ...
    These forces work for US companies like Blackwater, Triple Canopy and DynCorp as well as companies from across the globe. Some contractors make in a month what many active-duty soldiers make in a year. Indeed, there are private contractors in Iraq making more money than the Secretary of Defense and more than the commanding generals. The testimony about private contractors that I hear most often from active duty soldiers falls into two categories: resentment and envy.


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    Tracy (1.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:28:19 AM EST
    Tracy.... You finally have something right. The Airforce always gets the best stuff. There is a reason.

    The Airforce builds the barracks, the quarters, the messhalls, the clubs, the PX's.... and when they run out of money and need to build runways, Congress has to cough it up.

    The Navy and Army builds runways first...


    They are just smarter than us Navy and Army types.

    We called it cumshaw. The fine art of trading whatever you didn't need for something you needed. Why?? Because the military supply system was, and I bet still is, one of the most god awful screwed up things in the world.

    It also leads to hoarding what you need. Once upon a time we couldn't get a certain "part." A search of all aircraft and locked storage areas found enough to run at least two squadrons.

    So have fun complaining folks, I see little change from what happened 40 plus years ago. But then human nature doesn't.

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    edger (1.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:37:48 AM EST
    Edger - Why don't you just link to the source, rather than linking to your blog and then to the source??

    Don't you find that a bit intellectually dishonest??

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    I find avoiding the issue (none / 0) (#24)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:15:28 AM EST
    intellectually dishonest, as I'm sure you would.

    My blog is there to make it harder for people to do that. Enjoy it.

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    btw, there is a post there this morning jim (none / 0) (#25)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:21:46 AM EST
    called "The One-Sided Pursuit Of Happiness". I wouldn't read it if you're into avoidance, though. It's rather disturbing. The way a mirror can be.

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    edger (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:27:29 AM EST
    If you will provide a paper copy I am sure I can find a use for your blog.

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    Feel free to print a copy. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:31:20 AM EST
    Unfortunately you'll have to go there first, to do that. I can't do everything for you, you know.

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    edger (none / 0) (#29)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:13:11 PM EST
    I'm tempted if I could find a printer that would handle that soft of tissue.... err paper.

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    Jim, there are some things only your mother (none / 0) (#32)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:55:11 PM EST
    should do for you. But after seeing your comments today she's probably spinning in her grave, and would probably tell you to do it yourself.

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    edger (none / 0) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:52:19 PM EST
    Let's say this right.

    Cost plus is not a percentage of the money they spend.

    Cost plus is simoply a predetermined per cent to be collected as profit, based on the cost to accomplish the task by the supplier.

    All costs are subject to review, and it is not an automatic approval.

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    Stealing and Buying (none / 0) (#14)
    by talex on Sat May 12, 2007 at 08:48:19 PM EST
    are different.

    I think Iraqis are stealing their own oil and selling it to others - American companies included - to enrich members of the corrupt Iraqi government.

    In the Oil for Food scandal Saddam was selling the oil and receiving kickbacks. The oil being sold was in violation of the sanctions. American companies were involved although Halliburton was not one of them.

    Once again Conchita - buying and stealing are different. if the Iraqis in power turn-off meters so they may ship the oil to paying customers so the Iraqi elite may line their own pockets then it is Iraqis stealing from Iraqis.

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    Halliburton and Parsons are responsible (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Edger on Sat May 12, 2007 at 10:00:36 PM EST
    for repairing and replacing the meters, no matter who it is turning them off.

    They are not doing so.

    Chatterjee points out that US contractors have played a key role in the repair and upgrading of Iraq's oil infrastructure and expected the industry to pay for reconstruction. "In January 2004, under project Restore Iraqi Oil II (RIO II), the Bush administration contracted with Halliburton to fix southern Iraq's oil fields and with Parsons to handle the northern fields. The two companies were supposed to be supervised by yet another contractor, New Jersey-based Foster Wheeler." Halliburton and Parsons have long histories in Iraq, going back more than 40 years. Brown & Root, which is now part of Halliburton, began work in Iraq in 1961, while Parsons dipped into Iraq's oil sector in the 1950s. Foster Wheeler dates its work in Iraq to the 1930s.

    But, Chatterjee reports, "With billions of dollars to spend and extensive experience with oil infrastructure and Iraqi ports, Halliburton and Parsons seem unable to deal with the routine problem of broken meters at the Southern Iraq terminals. The kinds of meters they were supposed to repair or replace at ABOT are commonly found at hundreds of similar sites around the world. Because they are custom-built, shipped, then assembled and calibrated on site, the process can take up to a year. But the problem has persisted for four years."

    He adds, "After the 2003 invasion, the meters appear to have been turned off, and there have since been no reliable estimates of how much crude has been shipped from the southern oil fields."
    ...
    Neither US officials nor contractors have provided good reasons why, four years into the US occupation, the meters have not been calibrated, repaired or replaced, Chatterjee says.

    Follow the money. Corruption, Shoddy Work and Mismanagement Cripple Iraq Reconstruction, by William Fisher.

    Fisher has managed economic development programs in the Middle East and in many other parts of the world for the US State Department and USAID for the past thirty years.

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    Edger (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:24:33 AM EST
    After the 2003 invasion, the meters appear to have been turned off,

    I wish "investigators" wouldn't use such qualifiers.  they make me nervous and my BS filters to torch off.

    Look. They were either turned off, or they weren't.

    Which is it??

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    Turn off your kitchen tap. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:16:35 PM EST
    Then look closely at it. It will 'appear to have been turned off'.

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    Edger - Nope (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:55:03 PM EST
    Nonsense.

    It will have been turned off.

    "appear" is a qualifier that allows someone to say, "Well, that is how it appeared to me."

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    Yes, well, (none / 0) (#43)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 06:09:47 PM EST
    it appears to me that if it appears to be off then it probably is off, it appears. Unless it just appears to appear to be off. It appears that you appear to have trouble with appearances.

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    edger (none / 0) (#45)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:15:47 PM EST
    I have trouble with BS comments by people who want to slip something by that is unproven and unknown.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#46)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:25:59 PM EST
    I also have trouble with most of your comments, jim.

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    why not read before responding? (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by conchita on Sat May 12, 2007 at 11:30:38 PM EST
    no one has suggested that corrupt iraqis are not also stealing oil.  why do you have such a hard time   connecting the dots to include u.s. companies?  maybe if  you read the link it would be clearer.  edger has further clarified and provided an additional source.

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    Stealing and Buying II (1.00 / 1) (#22)
    by talex on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:01:35 AM EST
    Any tampering with equipment is being done with the consent of the corrupt Iraqi government. It is they who are stealing from their country, it is they who are receiving the money.

    If you want to blame Hallibuton and ignore who is ultimately responsible you can do that. But there is no denying who is ultimately responsible here.

    As for Edgar - I no longer read his posts as he has no credibility with me. I don't read and talk to people who are serial-troll raters. There has not been on post of mine here that he has not troll rated. That is childish and I have no time for people like that. They are a dime a dozen on the internet. If he want to respond to me and have me read it and take it seriously then he should act seriously. Serial-troll rating is not acting seriously.

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    do you read at all II (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by conchita on Sun May 13, 2007 at 01:49:24 PM EST
    talex, i don't want to be rude, but i really have to wonder if you read at all and what is your purpose here.  your response to my post completely ignored my point that i was not ignoring the fact that corruption exists within the iraqi government.  sadly, corruption and power seem to go hand in hand.   my remark to you was why you find it so hard to include halliburton, particularly with its track record for ripping off the american government (which means you and me, the taxpayers, to be exact), in the mix of corrupt players.  this befuddles me and i can only conclude that part of your obsession with benchmarks has to do with a distrust of the iraqis.  i would even go so far as to wonder if perhaps to accomodate your benchmark proposition that you have demonized them to an extent, yet you seem to ignore halliburton and blow off its likely transgressions.  have you forgotten that we invaded iraq and until the iraqis throw us out there is little they are able to do without the u.s. interfering and controlling to the fullest extent possible?  as i said long ago, benchmarks for the iraqis are b.s.  the benchmarks should be on the u.s. as occupiers for providing legitimate reconstruction aid.  that includes installing meters that work - which halliburton was contracted for.  i know what i think about why halliburton has not fulfilled its contract - why do you?  the corrupt iraqis did not let them?  oh, please.  if halliburton (and bushco) intended to install working meters they would have long ago been installed and working.  looking at the situation a bit more honestly, do i think that halliburton might be colluding with corrupt iraqis to delay/prevent the installation of the meters towards facilitating the theft of the oil?  very possibly.  if you had read chaterjee's article you would realize that it discusses iraqi corruption.    but i don't think you read what i have written, what chaterjee has written, or for that matter what peaches has written.  and for some strange reason i do not understand you refuse to connect dots and acknowledge that the u.s. is stealing oil.  it may not - although in iraq it actually may - be as blatant as filling up tankers, but the u.s. is using propaganda and doublespeak as a cover for stealing oil wherever it can get to it. perhaps it makes it easier to sleep at night not thinking about how corrupt your government is, but that does not change the reality that under the pretext of the gwot, the u.s. has begun the first of a series of resource wars.

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    What Do You Want? (1.00 / 2) (#44)
    by talex on Sun May 13, 2007 at 07:45:54 PM EST
    Do you think I need this article that is full of caveats and speculation to know that Bush is corrupt? That Hallibuton rips us off. That is already known for years now.

    You keep saying the US is stealing oil. Your article does not prove that. It speculates. And I say that any oil being stolen is being stolen by the Iraqis. And you agreed with that but yet you keep saying the US is. That makes no sense. It is either one or the other.

    Again your article is speculative. I'm not into speculation or conspiracy theories that are not based on good factual evidence.

    So leave me alone on this. I'm not all that interested. There are more pressing things like getting out of Iraq. And when we leave the corrupt Iraqi government will continue to steal the oil.

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    what do i want? (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by conchita on Mon May 14, 2007 at 12:44:00 AM EST
    not a lot.  just that you are a bit less hostile and a bit more open-minded and willing to admit that you and i both might be right, or that you might be wrong, or that you might not be knowledgeable about some things.  edger pointed out where you contradicted yourself.  you've done it more than once.  i'm sure i have too.  there's so much that we don't know about this administration, so much that is being kept from us.  lithiumcola's diary on dkos today about afghanistan is a perfect example.  you trashed pratap chatterjee's article rather than give him credit for having done the research, for taking it as far as he was able.  he doesn't have conclusive evidence that iraqis or americans are stealing the oil, but he looked at the situation carefully and from that emerged theoreticals that may prove true. as i said earlier, it seems entirely likely to me that corrupt iraqis and americans are stealing oil.  the reality is that just by being there we are contributing to the theft and halliburton, even if it is not literally siphoning off oil, by not fulfilling its contract is allowing the oil to be stolen.  that there might be collusion is not a big leap.

    just curious, where did you stand in 2003 about the u.s. invading iraq?  were you in the streets protesting?

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    LOL (1.00 / 1) (#51)
    by talex on Tue May 15, 2007 at 06:11:42 PM EST
    not a lot.  just that you are a bit less hostile and a bit more open-minded and willing to admit that you and i both might be right, or that you might be wrong, or that you might not be knowledgeable about some things.

    I see.

    Of course you don't offer an option that you  may be wrong. Or that you may not be knowledgeable. Classic!

    he doesn't have conclusive evidence that iraqis or americans are stealing the oil, but he looked at the situation carefully and from that emerged theoreticals that may prove true

    Ah! But you say we are stealing oil. And you pointed to the article as proof. Now you say the article is theoretical and proves nothing. We finally agree on something as that is what I said several post ago.

    were you in the streets protesting?

    Yes.

    Edgar? Who's that?

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    Re: oil being stolen is being stolen by the Iraqis (none / 0) (#47)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:46:26 PM EST
    talex upthread:
    You can also bet that just in the Oil For Food Program that there are American companies involved in the purchase of this oil.

    Cheney is probably one.

    It's pretty clear you meant Halliburton, but maybe Cheney is easier to spell?

    Oh, and btw, the Oil For Food Program ended in 2003.

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    No one gets near the meters, except (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:34:18 PM EST
    Halliburton, Parsons, and Coalition forces.

    Ring of steel protects Iraqi oil terminals:

    The two platforms are known as ABOT and KAOT.
    ..
    "This is not unlike protecting a nuclear power station in the states," Jensen said. "They are guarded and guarded very well because the prospect of them being destroyed is too horrible to imagine. It's the same here."

     

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    edger (none / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:58:36 PM EST
    Not the point. They don't "appear to..."

    They either arer, or they are not.

    I could say, "They appear to be turned off," and they could actually be wide open..

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    Evidence. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:14:32 PM EST
    Back up your comment. Until you do it is only baseless speculation.

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    "Dicked" again (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edger on Sat May 12, 2007 at 01:02:23 PM EST
    Why Halliburton Is Moving To Dubai
    Most generals do not place their headquarters in the middle of the battlefield. Many global companies operate around the world and do not locate head offices in a major market.
    ...
    Methinks somewhere there is a contract/deal/venture that is so juicy that Halliburton is prepared to take the political heat in America. You would not do this just to get a few rigs into place. The move is entirely customer-centric.


    Halliburton avoiding oversight and taxes (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Edger on Sun May 13, 2007 at 03:43:58 PM EST
    "Halliburton is opening its corporate headquarters in Dubai while maintaining a corporate office in Houston," spokeswoman Cathy Mann said. "The chairman, president and CEO will office from and be based in Dubai to run the company from the UAE."
    ...
    "This is an insult to the U.S. soldiers and taxpayers who paid the tab for their no-bid contracts and endured their overcharges for all these years," Leahy said in a statement.

    "At the same time they'll be avoiding U.S. taxes, I'm sure they won't stop insisting on taking their profits in cold hard U.S. cash," Leahy said.

    LINK

    Halliburton, which was headed by Vice President Dick Cheney from 1995-2000, received several lucrative no-bid government contracts to manage the reconstruction of Iraq following the U.S.-led invasion there. ...federal investigators alleged Halliburton was responsible for $2.7 billion of the $10 billion in contractor waste and overcharging in Iraq.

    In 2006, Halliburton earned profits of $2.3 billion on revenues of $22.6 billion.

    "We have a lot of evidence about their misuse of government contracts and how they have cheated the American soldier, cheated the American taxpayer, they have taken money and not provided the services," said Clinton, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. "So, does moving overseas mean that we won't be able to pursue these investigations?"

    LINK
    "Iraqi oil is regularly smuggled out of the country in many different ways," an oil merchant in Amman told The Nation magazine last month, Chatterjee says.
    ...
    The smuggling and black market operations bear striking parallels to Saddam Hussein's tactics for circumventing the UN embargo. Saddam was accused of selling some $5.7 billion worth of petroleum products on the black market over the six years of the Oil-for-Food program, while United Nations inspectors turned a blind eye. Today, his successors stand accused of similar abuses
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    edger rants for no reason... (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun May 13, 2007 at 10:55:33 AM EST
    Major corporations have multiple headquarters all over the world.

    Beat up Halliburtion all you like, but it is silly to do it over a headquarters in the ME, and indicates a desire to rant withour regard to the truth. Such actions cause great harm by running off new converts and provides a self limiting funtion to the size of the "moonbat" world.

    ;-)

    HOUSTON, March 11 -- Halliburton, the big energy services company, said today that it would open a corporate headquarters in the United Arab Emirates city of Dubai and move its chairman and chief executive, David J. Lesar, there.

    The company will maintain its existing corporate office here as well as its incorporation in the United States.

    Do you understand that the word "a" means that there are others?

    As in "will maintain its existing..."

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    FYI - Sony has headquarters in the US, etc., etc.

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    300,000... (none / 0) (#6)
    by desertswine on Sat May 12, 2007 at 01:04:45 PM EST
    bbls a day? No wonder E$$ON's profits have been so high.