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The Extremism of Tim Russert

The Beltway Pundits think they are moderate by virtue of being Beltway Pundits. Joe Klein is one example. Tim Russert is another:

Hannity: I think the Democrats have gone further left than anybody would have anticipated. I think these bloggers have really gotten to them. I think they’re really positioning themselves that they’re gonna have a very difficult time moving center. Do you see that?”

Russert: Absolutely…

The view expressed by Russert is extreme. I could argue that just by virtue of agreeing with Hannity Russert's is an extreme view but instead I'll cite a poll:

"In your opinion, should the United States withdraw troops from Iraq right away, or should the U.S. begin bringing troops home within the next year, or should troops stay in Iraq for as long as it takes to win the war?"
Withdraw Imm. -- Withdraw W/in Year -- Stay

%25 ------------------- 43 -----------------------26

Like Joe Klein, Russert stands with the extreme 26% and Sean Hannity who oppose withdrawal from Iraq within a year. 68% of the country favor withdrawal within a year.

h/t Atrios.

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    So if I (1.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 12:58:21 PM EST
    cite a poll where a majority of Americans think there should be capital punishment, are the people in the minority extremists?  

    So would you think (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 01:08:35 PM EST
    that those who oppose it are "in the center?"

    I am not one to use the extremist or center labels.

    That was Hannity and Russert.

    You seem to believe that by ignoring my post you can make a point. And you do. That you are either ingoring my point or dissembling on the issue.

    Which is it?

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    I Can See (1.00 / 1) (#8)
    by talex on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 03:18:27 PM EST
    Wy Russert's quote was cut off at "absolutely". If one views the video he really didn't answer the question(s) that Hannity asked. So by cutting off at "Absolutely" the answer is much more toxic.

    Russert said "Uh - - Absolutely...(pause)" and then he changes his thought and segways into "because..." and then goes on to explain how he sees the candidates vote on the last supplemental and then even gives the candidates an 'out' by explaining why they would say they voted how they did and it has nothing to do with bloggers of moving back to center. Russert really didn't answer the question straight forth and even if one thinks he did it certainly is a qualified answer and no where reflects a very blunt "Absolutely".

    I have said this many times - when the Left chops up and cherry picks soundbites out of a quote to make it sound worse that what it is then we are no better that Hannity or the rest of the Right. TPM did the same thing this morning with the same quote. They just copied and pasted C&L's quote without bothering to consider what was said on the video on the same page.

    I had this discussion many times a dkos on how the Left blogs copy and paste from another blog when the information being copied is either false or badly skewed. Yet some argue that it has to be true because 4 other blogs are saying the same thing - LOL. Yeah they are all taking the same bad info and passing it along like mad cow disease.

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    How pathetic of you (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 11:59:42 PM EST
    Absolutely I agree with you Sean Hannity because . . .

    is your FREAKING defense of Russert?

    I must say you are a blithering idiot.

    Now everybody MUST, I mean this seriously, troll rate me because this comment violates the rules of this site.

    But I had to say it.


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    Well It Is Too Bad (none / 0) (#70)
    by talex on Mon Jun 18, 2007 at 01:00:26 PM EST
    you didn't view the video before copying and pasting.

    The major point is that Russert's  complete statement was purposely "chopped-off" for effect. That is no lie - it is fact.

    And taken in it's entirety Russert's  statement in much softer and includes qualifying words from him that in no way resemble a "chopped-off" "absolutely".

    Further you are prone to calling people idiots and liars and then presenting no argument for doing so. Just because you say something is not true does not make it so without explanation or evidence. Some may take your name calling at face value but I don't. Without a 'civil' explanation or evidence of your accusations your name calling is just name calling. Par for the course with you.

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    BTW (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:05:52 AM EST
    You lied about the video in any way being contrary to Russert's "absolutely."

    And since you lied about it, I feel it is incumbent upon me to point out that you are an inveterate liar.

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    BTD (1.00 / 1) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:45:57 AM EST
    How about a link proving talex wrong?

    Transcript?? Video??

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    In the post (none / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 02:13:20 PM EST
    Click the links Jim.

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    BTD (1.00 / 0) (#59)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 04:51:52 PM EST
    I did. And I googled.... And all I can find is that he is absolutely correct about what Russert said...
    And that "absolue" alone makes it sound worse than what Russert said... And I am not a fan of Russert.

    Maybe there was a special interview just for the East and West coasts I can't find...

    As for the cheery picking.... I call that a draw. Both sides do it.

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    Coming from you Jim (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 05:20:14 PM EST
    This means nothing:

    "And all I can find is that he is absolutely correct about what Russert said..."

    Talex absolutely LIED about what Ruseert said.


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    I do detest liars (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:07:08 AM EST
    and you do very little but lie at this site.

    Thank God you are limited to 4 comments per day.

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    Hey (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Alien Abductee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:12:21 AM EST
    at least the "segways" part made me giggle.

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    Typos are a big part of me (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:20:53 AM EST
    so a giggle is fine but I would never excoriate anyone for that.

    But I dod detest Talex because he is an inveterate liar.

    I write it again to make sure everyone knows that I am serious about my accusation on this point.

    He lied about this piece and he has repeatedly lied at this site.

    Thank God he is limited to four comments of lies a day.

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    Well (none / 0) (#21)
    by Alien Abductee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:32:03 AM EST
    I don't think it's a typo - more indicative of his general level of arrant ignorance.

    I know he makes you angry, but I actually find his arguments quite interesting. He's very good at encapsulating the most undermining aspects of the progressive side of whatever story. I find him very instructive for that.

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    Lies are never good commentary (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 08:30:21 AM EST
    I believe in (none / 0) (#37)
    by Alien Abductee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 01:32:30 PM EST
    the making-lemons-into-lemonade thing.

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    Well (none / 0) (#11)
    by Edger on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 08:16:39 PM EST
    You claim to be of the left, and you are famous for your cherry picking. Want examples?

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    No cherrypicking occurred (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:21:46 AM EST
    Talex lied.

    I know that comes as a shock to you.

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    Talex??? Lie????? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:32:40 PM EST
    Noooooo??????

    Really? Heh.

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    Edger (1.00 / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 04:48:29 PM EST
    Plainer.

    You aint Lefty enough.

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    If I ignored your (1.00 / 0) (#9)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 07:05:32 PM EST
    post, I would not have written anything.  Do you really want gov't by polls?  You can pretty much find a poll espousing thing or any side that comes to mind.  

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    No (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:00:54 AM EST
    you just ignored my post once again.

    Government by polls has nothing to do with my post.

    Absolutely nothing.

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    Cite (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 01:10:59 PM EST
    a poll in which the majority of your fellow humans favor it, Wile. What you want is the next best thing to a good ole lynchin; either here or in the M.E.

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    Sorry (1.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 07:06:58 PM EST
    can't follow, please rephrase.

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    Directions (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Sailor on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 11:27:06 PM EST
    Dear Ethelbert,

    Step 1: Follow the big red arrows to the sign that says 'Free Coyote food here!'

    Step 2: Look up while the cliff crumbles.

    Step 3: Hold up a sign saying "I'm Bushed!"

    Step 4: Fall into canyon (small poof to mark the spot.)

    P.S. The coyote can stop any time--if he were not a fanatic.

    pps: ("A fanatic is one who redoubles his effort when he has forgotten his aim."--George Santayana...)

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    BTD is the extremist and so am I. (1.00 / 0) (#23)
    by Slado on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:24:42 AM EST
    Your own poll shows that you are on one of the extremist sides of this issue.

    The majority of the country doesn't favor this war.   But most of that majority doesn't favor it because we're not winning.   If we were to show progress the polls would turn around.   If we don't they will continue to show what they show and most likely strenghten your side of the poll.

    The 25% that you are a part of was never for, never with or never supported this war.  You have been consistent.   The other side of the coin or 26% (myself included) will be for the war until it is done.  We've also been consistent.

    Those are the "extreme" positions.   The majority or moderate position is results based.   When we captured Baghdad, found Saddam and held elections that 50% supported the effort.   When the casualties started to mount and no progress was shown to combat the daily deaths it went the other way.

    We'll see how it ends up but to label Russert an extremist is not honest.   He's witht he 50% who's waiting to see what happens.

    The point that you've missed is if the Democrats embrace the 25% of the poll that wants it over now they will be credited with the failure.   You can claim that they won't but it's not true.   Just like Vietnam resulted in 30 years of democrats not being trusted in regards to defense this will continue or strenthen that concern for the American people.   Hence it makes it an extreme position.

    Reid and Pelosi know this so they play tough to keep the "extremists" in heir party from revolting but when it comes to passing policy they take the Russert position.

    Reality is overrated by liberals (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:15:10 PM EST
    The 25% that you are a part of was never for, never with or never supported this war.  You have been consistent.

    And, unlike the other "extreme," we have been right all along, and our predictions have been accurate, while the predictions made by those who thought war was a good thing, have been universally wrong.

    Who ya gonna go with, the people whose predictions, though "extreme," have been proven correct, or the folks who have been wrong about everything they claimed would happen?  Don't results matter to the right-wing loonies?

    Pick a couple of scientists who represent opposing views.  Would you believe the one who uses his understanding to make accurate predictions, or would you go with the one whose predictions are universally wrong?

    It doesn't seem like a difficult decision, unless you are a pro-war extremist.

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    If....... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:19:51 PM EST
    If only.

    The moon were made of swiss cheese

    If only a penny were worth a milion dollars.

    If only we found WMDs....

    If only everyone spoke english.....

    If only reality were what you wanted it to be......

    If only war supporters were not so greedy.....

    If only CHeney Bush and Rove and their minions were behind bars....

    If only things were different.

    Too bad that they are not. So stop making believe that they are.

    Bring our troops back home.

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    Squeaky (none / 0) (#31)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:26:51 PM EST
    like Rush says: it's all about "The Way Things Ought To Be", not about the way things are.

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    Obviously The War Gods (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:51:54 PM EST
    Are angry. If only we knew how to appease them we would be winning and then america would love the war.

    Wait, I think I get it, If america loved the war the war gods would be happy and turn things around so we would be winning. And then everyone would love the TV and Tim Russert.

    Time for all those holdout keyboard kommandos to make their war sacrifice, and enlist.  The gods are waiting.

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    I favor withdrawal (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 02:12:07 PM EST
    ASAP.

    You favor stay the course.

    Hardly the same.

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    Oh no you don't (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 08:52:12 PM EST
    The point that you've missed is if the Democrats embrace the 25% of the poll that wants it over now they will be credited with the failure.

    Its your war, its your failure. The conservatives are going to have to take personal responsibility for this one.



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    MB (1.00 / 1) (#67)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:22:22 PM EST
    Sorry

    But that honor will go to the surrender brigade..

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    I don't think so (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Molly Bloom on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:34:11 PM EST
    Its the conservatives debacle. It was the conservatives idea.  You brought America to this disaster. Congradulations you own it. Get used to it.



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    The honor will go to (none / 0) (#68)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:27:25 PM EST
    these people?

    How do they get "honor" out of surrendering their minds?

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    Slado (1.00 / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:41:24 AM EST
    Well said.

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    Slado and Jim (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 12:23:31 PM EST
    show me any numbers that prove the majority of Americans supported an invasion of Iraq before the question of whose "winning or losing" became the faux issue.

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    jondee (1.00 / 0) (#43)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 02:13:45 PM EST
    Winning and losing is always the issue.

    Of course you seem to be more interested in losing.


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    ppj - re: interested in losing (none / 0) (#44)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 02:45:03 PM EST
    I know it gets more and more difficult by the day to find someone with interests that parallel your own...

    But here's a hint.

    Jondee ain't your kind of guy, imo.

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    edger (1.00 / 0) (#56)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 04:45:28 PM EST
    Hmmm, you know him much better than I.

    Of course the apple doesn't fall far from the tree..

    Now tell us how to convert terrorists to criminals...

    Is secret rays involved??

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    From yet another (none / 0) (#53)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 04:16:41 PM EST
    one who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

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    Squeaky (1.00 / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 04:46:36 PM EST
    Does this mean you've given up collecting Green Stamps??

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    Unfair! (none / 0) (#34)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 01:00:09 PM EST
    Only an eltist (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 01:10:37 PM EST
    would discount the Jacksonian Goober as a viable G.O.P candidate.

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    Yeah, you're right. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 01:21:07 PM EST
    Maybe a super elitist would help?

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    Now you're linking (none / 0) (#38)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 01:40:45 PM EST
    to conservative Male Enhancement adds. I can see now why Coulter says liberals love pornography, Edger.

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    It's a BB Gun (none / 0) (#39)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 02:05:18 PM EST
    You have to aim for the hearts and minds of the goobers.

    I hope you're a good aim. The targets are very small. ;-)

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    Edger (none / 0) (#60)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 04:54:57 PM EST
    You know, I am glad that you have only a BB gun. You might hurt yourself you had a weapon...

    Now, tell us how to convert terrorists to criminals..

    Is holy water involved??

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    Holy water? (none / 0) (#62)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 05:38:41 PM EST
    I'm not so sure about holy water, ppj. It's liable to leave acid burn marks on Bush. It could be considered torture. Now that would some holy waterboarding, I'll tell you.

    But before we put Bush in Gitmo and give him a fair trial in one of the Tribunals he invented to convict him and turn him into a criminal, maybe Pat Robertson should read him the last rites?

    Probably a good idea. Jerry Falwell is waiting for him on the dark side. I hear Jerry has friends over there who are a little pissed at Bush.

    And after all, Pat did say: "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability"

    Just like you ppj, Pat is a genius at knowing how to deal with corrupt dictators.

    Was there anything else I could help you with today?

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    Unless... (none / 0) (#63)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 05:45:02 PM EST
    Unless you think Bush deserves better treatment than the prisoners he's had in Gitmo without charges or trials for years, do you ppj?

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    After all, ppj (none / 0) (#64)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 05:56:41 PM EST
    Bush is an American Citizen, so personally I think he does deserve better treatment than the prisoners he's had in Gitmo.

    You'd agree, I'm sure.

    No?

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    Who are the extremists? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Alien Abductee on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 12:37:41 PM EST
    From their own lips, at Conservapedia:

    The development of neo-conservatism was strongly influenced by the work of German philosopher Leo Strauss and Marxist theorist Leon Trotsky. Irving Kristol himself was once a member of the 4th international...

    Neoconservatives are small in number but dominate television talk shows, Washington-based think tanks, and advisory positions in Republican Administrations. Some prominent neoconservatives are William Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby, David Horowitz, Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Pipes, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Perle, Robert Kagan, Christopher Hitchens, Willmoore Kendall, Stephen Schwartz, Elliott Abrams and Carl Gershman. Because of the Trotskyist background of some key neoconservatives, many critics have argued that the neoconservative concept of "global democratic revolution" was derived from the Trotskyist Fourth International's "vision of permanent revolution".[5] Stephen Schwartz said that "those who are fighting for global democracy should view Leon Trotsky as a worthy forerunner." and would prefer that "neocons" be called "Trotskycons"

    I think the Republicans have gone further into authoritarianism than anybody would have anticipated. I think these Trotskyites have really gotten to them. I think they're really positioning themselves that they're gonna have a very difficult time moving center. Do you see that?

    Absolutely.

    Interesting too (none / 0) (#5)
    by jondee on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 01:18:49 PM EST
    how nearly orgasmic Chris Hitchens has always gotten at the mere mention of the name Trotsky.

    Another big problemis is that these would-be philosopher kings have to triangulate with, and empower the Rapture Ready, "prophecy fulfillment" crowd in order to stay in power.

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    I think you underestimate the fact (none / 0) (#6)
    by Compound F on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 01:53:35 PM EST
    that Tim has a dad, Big Russ, a man from the greatest generation ever, who instilled in him those very same virtues of integrity, courage, and common wisdom.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!  And never seems to hit rock bottom.  It just keeps on falling in Newtonian perpetuity.

    Compound F (1.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 09:38:42 AM EST
    Why do you attack someone's father??

    Seems to me that Russert is the target?

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    DA (1.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 02:11:26 PM EST
    Nope. The attack is plainly an attack on the Father.

    that Tim has a dad, Big Russ, a man from the greatest generation ever, who instilled in him those very same virtues of integrity, courage, and common wisdom.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!  And never seems to hit rock bottom.  It just keeps on falling in Newtonian perpetuity

    yadda yadda

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    Rx (none / 0) (#46)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:14:29 PM EST
    Ginkgo Biloba 6000mg twice could help him.

    Benefits: Has potent antioxidant effects - Used to treat: cerebral insufficiency, senile dementia, & Alheimer's disease. May reduce cardiovascular risks.Peripheral arterial disease & certain eye and ear disorders. Said to improve memory & other cognitive functions - See below for more information

    Or do you think that he is too far gone.

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    On his way back by now, no? (none / 0) (#47)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:17:14 PM EST
    On His Way Back? n/t (none / 0) (#48)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:20:17 PM EST
    So far gone (none / 0) (#49)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:21:51 PM EST
    he's on his way back. ;-)

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    On His Way Back... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:33:44 PM EST
    I've seen no signs of that, stable I'd say. Like a rock.

    The greatest thing about this man is he's steady. You know where he stands. He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday. Events can change; this man's beliefs never will.

    Colbert at the White House Correspondents' Dinner

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    OK ;-) (none / 0) (#51)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:42:53 PM EST
    The other day (none / 0) (#52)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 03:46:27 PM EST
    he wanted to hang Bush. After a fair trial of course. So I thought he was maybe started to turn around. But then he wouldn't say whether he thought Bush deserved better treatment than Bush's prisoners in Gitmo. That's where he lost me.

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    Drooling troll? (none / 0) (#55)
    by Edger on Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 04:28:12 PM EST
    Or droll trooling?

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    I don't get it. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Johnbo on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 02:48:39 PM EST
    What is Tim Russert doing even TALKING to Sean Hannity?  Was Hannity on Russert's show?  Or visa versa?

    Either way, for Russert to even associate with Hannity is strange.  Why would he risk his reputation by giving the time of day to a scum-sucking bottom feeder like Hannity?