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is, of course, political theater. But it is also the heart of the matter. I repeat again, Ms. Taylor's refusal to discuss certain matters at the behest of the President is flouting a legal subpoena which has been unchallenged LEGALLY by the President.

While the President can, in my view, direct subordinates to not answer a Congressional subpoena on the grounds of executive privilege, he can not do so to persons who do not work for him, as neither Ms. Taylor or Ms. Miers do. The President has no legal power over them. The Congressional subpoena power does bind them until set aside by a court of law. What Ms. Taylor did do in fact was honor her political oath to the President will ignoring her legal duty to comply with a Congressional subpoena. Ms. Miers apparently will do the same today.

My bottom line remains the same, it is incumbent on the President to seek to quash these subpoenas, by making such a motion before a court of law.

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    that's why (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:29:22 AM EST
     We are seeing discussion of "inherent contempt" as opposed to the statutory criminal offense. There is historicalsuppiort for the position  that the power to hold persons in contempt and to punish them for it is "inherent" in the legislative power granted Congress by the Constitution and that Congress itself can decide who is or is not in contempt of its orders without interference from the judiciary (now whether a person taken into custody by Congress would have the right to pursue habeas corpus relief in the courts is another question entirely) and that Congress should do so if the Administration does not relent.

    We are seeing a discussion (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:41:06 AM EST
    of all options for seeking enforcement.

    Inherent contempt is not the main focal point at all.

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    not yet (none / 0) (#9)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 11:35:13 AM EST
     but the ball's in the House's court, so to speak. If the committe passes a resolution askng the House to hold a witness in contempt and to enforce it with sanctions it will become a huge issue.

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    Go ahead, make my day! (1.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Fritz on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 09:58:53 AM EST
    They have no power to force the President's advisors to reveal internal deliberations anymore than for the President to force Leahy's staff to discuss their internal deliberations.  Why do Democrats want to waterboard Presidential advisors but not terrorists?

    It's not in the Consititution (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:20:54 AM EST
    Maybe you can identify the codified version of your claim.

    In fact, it is traditional, a sign of respect for the office, but it isn't law, as Nixon found out.

    Bush has indicated that he has no respect for the Congress by stonewalling and refusing to provide information for the oversight that is part of the Congress' job.  He deserves none in return.

    There is no privilege involved in communications using the RNC email system, which is not funded by Congress.  They thought they were so clever by using a system outside the White House, but they also opened it for inspection.

    A witness cannot invoke this privilege.  It must be invoked by the person claiming it, i.e the president.  Of course, then someone might ask him why he needs to protect information about corruption.

    Presidentin' is hard work.

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    You will need a FISA Court approval (none / 0) (#10)
    by Fritz on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 11:42:56 AM EST
    I get it, only terrorist suspects get such protection, not Bush Administration officials.

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    First (none / 0) (#12)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 11:54:42 AM EST
     it is inaccurate to say EP is not the "law" simply because it is not codified or expressly set forth in the Constitution. One need not go as far afield from this debate as "privacy" emanating from the 4th amendment to find a parallel. "congress's power to hold persons in contempt is not found expressly in the Constitution either.  

      Also, can you identify any authority for the assertion that EP must be asserted by the President rather than an executive branch witness issued a subpoena by Congress? Can you find any authority detailing exactly how the privilege may be asserted, by whom, to whom,  under what circumstances and whom the final arbiter shall be?

      As I have repeatedly said, EP is a very undeveloped doctrine and you should not mistake people asserting arguments (of widely varying force) with clear answers.

     

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    I'm not sure I agree (none / 0) (#2)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:11:43 AM EST
      As I've said before EP doctrine is very undeveloped because conflicts are generally resolved politically rather than judicially, but I'm not sure that: it is necessary for the president to assert EP in a motion to quash; that the judicial branch would assert jurisdiction over such a motion rather than deeming it a political question; or that Congress's power to determine who is in contempt of Congress can be infringed  by the judicial branch.

      This may be a situation where the courts are on the sidelines and resolution will only come from a showdown between the Executive and Legislative  branch. If the house committee requests the full house to hold a "trial" on whether a person defying its subpoena is in contempt, it seems the courts may decline to intervene.

    EASTLAND v. UNITED STATES SERVICEMEN'S FUND, 421 U.S. 491 (1975)

    Argued January 22, 1975.
    Decided May 27, 1975.

    The Senate Subcommittee on Internal Security, pursuant to its authority under a Senate resolution to make a complete study of the administration, operation, and enforcement of the Internal Security Act of 1950, began an inquiry into the various activities of respondent organization, to determine whether they were potentially harmful to the morale of United States Armed Forces. In connection with such inquiry it issued a subpoena duces tecum to the bank where the organization had an account, ordering the bank to produce all records involving the account. The organization and two of its members then brought an action against the Chairman, Senator Members, Chief Counsel of the Subcommittee, and the bank to enjoin implementation of the subpoena on First Amendment grounds. The District Court dismissed the action. The Court of Appeals reversed, holding that, although courts should hesitate to interfere with congressional actions even where First Amendment rights are implicated, such restraint should not preclude judicial review where no alternative avenue of relief is available, and that if the subpoena was obeyed respondents' First Amendment rights would be violated. Held: The activities of the Senate Subcommittee, the individual Senators, and the Chief Counsel fall within the "legitimate legislative sphere," and since it is determined that such is the case, those activities are protected by the absolute prohibition of the Speech or Debate Clause of the Constitution against being "questioned in any other Place" and hence are immune from judicial interference. Pp. 501-511.

    (a) The applicability of the Clause to private civil actions is supported by the absoluteness of the term "shall not be questioned" and the sweep of the term "in any other Place." P. 503.

    (b) Issuance of subpoenas such as the one in question is a legitimate use by Congress of its power to investigate, and the subpoena power may be exercised by a committee acting, as here, on behalf of one of the Houses. Pp. 503-505.

    (c) Inquiry into the sources of the funds used to carry on activities suspected by a subcommittee of Congress to have a potential

    Page 421 U.S. 491, 492

    for undermining the morale of the Armed Forces is within the legitimate legislative sphere. Pp. 505-507.

    (d) There is no distinction between the Subcommittee's Members and its Chief Counsel insofar as complete immunity from the issuance of the subpoena under the Speech or Debate Clause is concerned, and since the Members are immune because the issuance of the subpoena is "essential to legislating," their aides share that immunity. P. 507.

    (e) The subpoena cannot be held subject to judicial questioning on the alleged ground that it works an invasion of respondents' privacy, since it is "essential to legislating." P. 508.

    (f) Nor can the subpoena be held outside the protection of speech or debate immunity on the alleged ground that the motive of the investigation was improper, since in determining the legitimacy of a congressional action the motives alleged to have prompted it are not to be considered. Pp. 508-509.

    (g) In view of the absolute terms of the speech or debate protection, a mere allegation that First Amendment rights may be infringed by the subpoena does not warrant judicial interference. Pp. 509-511.

    Legal analysis vs. Roberts (none / 0) (#3)
    by sphealey on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:17:41 AM EST
    I am sure the legal eagles are going to have a lot of fun over the next 6-12 months analyzing the depths and complexities of constitutional and criminal law on these questions.  At the end of which Chief Justice Roberts will issue an opinion that says "President Bush can do or not do whatever he wants.  The court will recess for quail hunting at 2 PM".

    Does anyone seriously think that there is going to be any sort of principled constitutional decision at the end of this?  We have the Justice Department and the USA who would nominally be assigned to prosecute contempt of Congress issuing preemptive opinions directly to the potential contempt-ee telling her that she need not do anything Congress requires.  Not sure what is left of our rule of law after that.

    sPh

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    I'm not sure (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 10:40:04 AM EST
    how this case would relate to an assertion of executive privilege.

    There are cases where the courts have determined executive privilege claims.

    See, e.g., this CRS report.

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    That case is not the EP issue per se (none / 0) (#8)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 11:33:14 AM EST
      but an example of judicial recognition of the plenary powers of Congress acting within scope of it legislative function. Would that reasoning be discarded in an EP case where both the other branches are asserting implied constitutional  "powers" inherent in and particular to that branch of government?

      Maybe, but that case suggests the court might decline jurisdiction under the political question dosctrine.

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    An..oath...to the President? (none / 0) (#11)
    by SeeEmDee on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 11:43:26 AM EST
    Wasn't one to serve the country enough?

    Anybody possessing a sense of history should find this disquieting; the last time folks who swore an oath to an executive as well as a country wore these.

    John Dean (none / 0) (#14)
    by Edger on Fri Jul 13, 2007 at 10:48:42 PM EST
    has written an article at FindLaw: "Harriet Miers's Contempt of Congress: Are Conservatives About To Neuter Congress, While Claiming Full Legal Justification for this Separation-of-Powers Violation?" with some rather interesting speculations:
    "By not responding to the subpoena, the President and Ms. Miers all but invited the House Judiciary Committee and, in turn, the House of Representatives to vote to deem her in contempt of Congress. It was a defiant, in-your-face insult to Congress. No president would do this unless he was quite confident of the outcome. Clearly, Bush's White House and Justice Department lawyers believe that the solidly conservative federal judiciary will grant them a favorable ruling, and that, in the process, they will greatly weaken congressional oversight powers, to the advantage of the White House."
    Larisa Alexandrovna (at-Largley) asks some very good questions about Dean's thoughts in her post today:
    My questions as a layperson are even the presumption that the White House can do what they will, despite settled law and precedent and do it so brazenly is enough for me to question the integrity of the Judiciary Branch. Is this why President Bush hoped to install Hariet Miers onto the Supreme Court, in hopes that she would act against the Constitution, knowing of course her position would be a life long appointment?

    How could anyone be so arrogant as to simply assume that the particular judges will side with them? Unless they actually "know" that these will happen and also with the US Attorneys, which is why it seems they used the Patriot Act to sneak in the USAs in full understanding that Congress would be investigating the White House. So the USAs scandal appears to be a pre-emptive strike against the rule of law and pre -meditated obstruction of justice.

    This alarms me. But there is one thing Mr. Dean does not mention and I clearly do not understand well enough in terms of legal questions about impeaching members of the Judiciary Branch. If it appears that the Jurist in question or the USA in question has been compromised, then should Congress not undertake an investigation to see just how or why or even if their is an issue of collusion with the Executive Branch?

    Finally, it is quite clear that President is instructing government official by a flimsy edit to engage in law-breaking activities to help cover up possible crimes. Even if there were no crimes committed by the Executive, the crime of issuing an order to officials that they must ignore and/or violate the law, is a crime. In fact, it is an impeachable offense.

    But here is where things get tricky and where I need a legal genius to explain it to me (Pontificator, you around?).

    Can either you Armando, or you Jeralyn, comment on Dean's article and Larisa's questions, or do a post addressing them?

    Larisa goes on with this (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Fri Jul 13, 2007 at 11:07:46 PM EST
    My understanding is if a President is under indictment and investigation (impeachment as it is known) he cannot use his pardon power to tamper with a criminal investigation by giving a free Scooter pass to anyone in the scope of the investigation. Is this a correct understanding?

    and quite a bit further, but I don't want to repost it all here.

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