Ignatius: Obama Is Bush-Cheney Lite On Iraq Withdrawal

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 08:31:33 AM EST
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Ignatius:

The most sensible comment I heard on Iraq in the past week came from one of the Democratic presidential candidates -- indeed, from the one with the strongest antiwar credentials, Sen. Barack Obama: "I think we can be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in." Obama is right, and so, for that matter, is President Bush when he says much the same thing. The United States is on its way out of Iraq eventually, but it matters powerfully how we disengage -- most of all to Democrats, who at this point seem likely to inherit the responsibility for America's security 18 months from now.

(Emphasis supplied.) Now that he has discarded the "Politics of Hope," I sure wish Obama would criticize David Ignatius for basically speaking falsely of his views on Iraq.

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Ignatius: Obama Is Bush-Cheney Lite On Iraq Withdrawal | 22 comments (22 topical)

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Some of the best reasoning for leaving (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by Cptsalesman on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 09:51:51 AM EST

that I seen was discussed on the latest Moyers piece on PBS, if you have the time to watch 2 real experts tell the truth about Iraq click on this link. I's about 26 mins. long http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07272007/watch2.html

: Excellent show, and here's the debate transcript (none / 0) (#10)
by Ellie on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 12:22:43 PM EST

Click this for the transcript if you're not on a vid-friendly system or if the preceding link gets shortened by the comments software.
There was more real information in that ~20 min exchange than in a month of punditry.

Heh. (none / 0) (#2)
by Gabriel Malor on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 10:36:49 AM EST

BTD, one gets the impression that if President Bush said that the sun rises in the east you would find a way to disagree.

I would certainly (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:03:29 AM EST

not trust his word on it at this point.


Didn't Albert Einstein receive (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:14:09 PM EST

less than stellar grades for pointing out to his grade school teacher that the sun doesn't rise at all and it is about the earth's rotation and travels around the sun? And isn't East really just group think, a mass agreed upon reference point?


Hah! (none / 0) (#16)
by Gabriel Malor on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 05:34:36 PM EST

So, is it your contention that the sun does not, in fact, rise in the east?

No wonder you are so confused.


: It is my contention that George Bush (none / 0) (#22)
by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 11:27:15 AM EST

doesn't understand the complexities of life.

Never knew the "Politics of Hope" meant (none / 0) (#3)
by tommyg on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 10:48:09 AM EST

he couldn't respond when attacked.
Since when did the word "Hope" doesn't mean lying down and taking ot when you're being attacked?
The people attacking him with that line don't seem to have a clue what the word "Hope" means. Maybe that's why they don't support Obama.

Bush Cheney Lite? (none / 0) (#4)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:03:05 AM EST

That's a "response?"

Sorry, the dog won't hunt.

I think it is you who has a tough time understanding what the word hope means.

BTW, I am asking for Obama to "respond" to Ignatius.

That flew right by you.


I thought you were being sarcastic (none / 0) (#6)
by tommyg on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:16:04 AM EST

And yes, "Bush Cheney Lite" was a small part of his response to Hillary. What's wrong with it? Since when have you shied away from strong language? It was appropriate for this exchange. The Rasmussen poll showed most Democrats agreed with Obama. The person who asked the question agreed with him. Maybe the Republicans and a few Beltway pundits disagreed, but I don't think Obama's too worried about them.


I never promised a New Politics (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:22:54 AM EST

Heck, I criticized his promise of a New Politics.

I said he was not going to trandform politics and guess what? He has not.

Just another pol now.

He needs to shoot at the Republicans too now.


Again, how does "New Politics" (none / 0) (#8)
by tommyg on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:31:51 AM EST

mean avoiding responding when attacked? His idea of a different kind of politics encompasses many things, not one of which is refusing to respond to attacks.
I would also like to see Obama respond more to attacks, but when he does he gets attacked as though he's breaking a promise he never made. Hopefully, he'll start to say what I just said, that he's going to keep things positive, but will not be afraid to respond when attacked.


: Then what does it mean? (none / 0) (#9)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 11:46:54 AM EST

BTW, the response to Ignatius should be to remind him that Obama's position on withdrawal from Iraq is this:

Senator Obama introduced legislation in January 2007 to offer a responsible alternative to President Bush's failed escalation policy. The legislation commences redeployment of U.S. forces no later than May 1, 2007 with the goal of removing all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008 -- a date consistent with the bipartisan Iraq Study Group's expectations.

I can't get over the Bush-Cheney lite (none / 0) (#11)
by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 01:59:56 PM EST

comparisons that are being made about our Democratic Presidential candidates. Being as honest as possible here from the standpoint of a soldiers wife........NOBODY IS BUSH-CHENEY LITE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHEN IT COMES TO MILITARY FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES, NOT EVEN HALF OF WHAT USED TO BE THE REPUBLICAN BASE IS BUSH-CHENEY LITE THESE DAYS. BUSH-CHENEY ARE NUCKIN FUTZ AND NO DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE COULD BE NUCKIN FUTZ ENOUGH TO BE A TRUE COMPARISON AND HOPE TO GET A $5 DONATION FROM ANYONE EXCEPT SATAN!

Of course (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:02:32 PM EST

Obama should be outraged by Ignatius' column.


: Yes, smoke should be pouring out of his ears (none / 0) (#13)
by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:08:02 PM EST

His eyes should be glowing red and shooting fireballs! Time to call people on their nasty mouths that have those nasty lies and freakshow comparisons that keep dribbling out of them. I CANNOT BELIEVE that people actually get paid to write such bull$h*t.

He's not John Edwards, so he's not going (none / 0) (#15)
by Geekesque on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 05:05:19 PM EST

to waste his time arguing with hack pundits.

Neither is he going to boast about having Charles Krauthammer in his corner, like Hillary does.

an accusation ignored is an accusation accepted (none / 0) (#17)
by andgarden on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 05:40:21 PM EST

If you're going to challenge the beltway CW, you actually have to, you know, do it.


Is his campaign supposed to get bogged down (none / 0) (#19)
by Geekesque on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 07:42:02 PM EST

in fights with every hack writer and politician that misrepresents his views?


Okaaay (none / 0) (#20)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 07:44:10 PM EST

Tell you what, I guess we'll just assume a WaPo Op-Ed columnist is a hack writer to be ignored in the world of politics.

We'll see I guess if that is smart.

If I was Obama's opponent, I would use that against him.


: Hillary is bragging about her Krauthammer (none / 0) (#21)
by Geekesque on Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 08:59:35 AM EST

endorsement, so she's not going to be throwing any stones.
There isn't a single voter who cares what David Igantius says.

Line up over there (none / 0) (#18)
by Laudyms on Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 07:05:46 PM EST

if you're anxious to take sides in this non-issue and help the personality of your "choice" get alot of free publicity and learn all the talking points assigned to the mindless minions of what passes for a campaign to elect a front person for Corporate America.