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Republican Candidates Push the Fear Buttons

It's so typical. When candidates are pandering for votes and struggling to keep their candidacies alive, they resort to fear mongering and proclaiming themselves to be the candidate that will be the toughest on crime. In today's world, that means being the toughest on undocumented residents and sex offenders.

Rudy Giuliani has unveiled his new plan for war on the undocumented.

Giuliani said he would require a uniform identification card for foreign workers and students and create a central database to track the legal status of visitors to the country....Giuliani wants a tamperproof ID card that includes fingerprinting for everyone entering the country and a central database to track when they leave.

For an immigrant to get a chance to stay here, he wants a confession and then the undocumented resident will "go to the back of the line." That sounds racistly reminiscent to me of "go to the back of the bus."

What's next, a Giuliani-Tancredo ticket?

Mitt Romney is going with the tried and true: declare war on sex offenders. Never mind that penalties for sex offenders are already astronomically high, Romney will raise them even higher:

[T]he Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts governor has proposed increased punishment for those who prey on children online -- stringent mandatory prison sentences, followed by lifetime tracking by Global Positioning System for first-time offenders who "use the Internet to sexually assault children." He calls it "One Strike, You're Ours."

Ah, the evil internets. What's next, a Mitt Romney - John Walsh ticket?

Civil libertarians provide this response to Romney's plan:

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Civil liberties advocates have no end of concerns about the proposal. They question Romney's focus on the means of predation, saying sexual abuse should be punished whether or not it involves the Internet. They argue that the best way to protect children online is to educate them to watch out for predators. They say mandatory sentences do not necessarily deter offenders who do not believe they are going to get caught. Also, they say such sentences lump together widely disparate offenses and remove the discretion of judges, as occurred recently when a Georgia teenager was sentenced to 10 years in prison after engaging in consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old girl.

I'll provide one more: There is no crisis of child sex offenses by strangers. It's been known for a long time that most sex offenses against children are committed by those who know them. See the statistics from the Center of Sex Offender Management, a program of the Department of Justice:

Myth:
"Most sexual assaults are committed by strangers."

Fact:
Most sexual assaults are committed by someone known to the victim or the victim's family, regardless of whether the victim is a child or an adult.

As for child victims: Approximately 60% of boys and 80% of girls who are sexually victimized are abused by someone known to the child or the child's family (Lieb, Quinsey, and Berliner, 1998). Relatives, friends, baby-sitters, persons in positions of authority over the child, or persons who supervise children are more likely than strangers to commit a sexual assault.

The online predator clearly fits in the category of stranger.

Next Myth:
"Sexual offense rates are higher than ever and continue to climb."
Fact:
Despite the increase in publicity about sexual crimes, the actual rate of reported sexual assault has decreased slightly in recent years.

And the biggest myth of all:

Myth:
"Treatment for sex offenders is ineffective."

Fact:
Treatment programs can contribute to community safety because those who attend and cooperate with program conditions are less likely to re-offend than those who reject intervention.

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    In San Diego (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:40:26 AM EST
    The North County Times is reporting that they have video tapes of the "Minutemen" tearing down migrant camps and looking through the personal effects of said migrants. By definition (coersion or violence to further an ideological agenda), this constitutes terrorism. I have used the community forum to call on people to demand that law enforcement authorities immediately arrest and detain these "people" for violations of the Patriot Act, as they have no evidence that the "homes" they destroyed were occupied by anyone who is in this country illegally. Put another way, it appears that people in this country feel it is OK to invade the homes of other residents for possible (not proven) violations of civil (not criminal) laws without due process.

    BTW the Bush administration is about to declare the Iranian Rvolutionary Guard a terrorist organization. The march to expanded war continues.

    About to declare... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by desertswine on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:17:37 AM EST
    the Iranian Rvolutionary Guard a terrorist organization.

    So how about they finally declare the Saud Family a terrorist organization?

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    They keep on like this and... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:34:52 AM EST
    the next logical step is to declare themselves a terrorist organization.

    But I'm sure they'd rather stay in denial.

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    Why not.... (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:39:17 AM EST
    declare the DEA as a terror org while we're at it.  That's the only group thats ever terrorized me personally, along with several police departments.

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    The audio on that tape was disgusting. Such (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 01:30:01 PM EST
    glee at destroying the meagre living spaces of necessary, hardworking human beings.  

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    Just think Edger (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by jondee on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:10:33 PM EST
    a couple of years in Naval Aviation, and you too could be repeating every Fox/A.M Talk Radio meme-of-the-week is if it originated with you.

    Only after one performs the ultimate service does one develope a knack for that kind of creative, out-of-the-box thinking.

    Really? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 04:10:43 PM EST
    Heh! I'll get right on it! Where do I sign? ;-)

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    [OT: I started reading a comment at DK and (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 04:14:38 PM EST
    realized it was written by t***x, who I haven't seen here for awhile.  What's up, if you know?]

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    OT reply (1.00 / 1) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 06:24:33 PM EST
    He probably realized that his exchanges with BTD were some of the best around and decided to withdraw his support.

    I mean, I saw no love between'em.

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    Actually, there is a recent comment here today. (5.00 / 0) (#43)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 06:41:59 PM EST
    the death of a salesman (5.00 / 0) (#44)
    by Sailor on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:37:52 PM EST
    advertising slogans are not culture.

    Besides, the topic is how republicans are constantly pushing the fear button, and it's proved by wrongwingers like yourself being scared of all the brown people.

    And you are the best example of that fear button having an effect is ppj thinks bumper stickers equal disruptive protest, spying on Americans is OK, attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and no ability to attack the US and no WMDs is OK, and teaching the fact that America was founded on protest should not be allowed.

    It's amazing how when beaten (1.00 / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:28:38 PM EST
    you suddenly want to change the subject.

    Let me see if I can equal the BS litany of nonsense that sailor spews at every opportunity.

    Sailor thinks that unity is bad, recognizing security problems is bad, giving the enemy a free ride using our communication systems is good, letting a country that is trying to get back in the WMD business do that is okay, using allies to attack mutal enemies is bad...american military deaths instead is okay, illegal aliens are oaky, all protest is good, even when it helps our enemies...

    Need more? Wait a while. I'm out of breath.

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    Rules? (1.00 / 1) (#5)
    by jarober on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:21:39 AM EST
    "For an immigrant to get a chance to stay here, he wants a confession and then the undocumented resident will "go to the back of the line." That sounds racistly reminiscent to me of "go to the back of the bus.""

    Is it too much to ask people to follow rules?  And they aren't "undocumented" - they are illegal.  There's a process for crossing the border, and tey didn't follow it.  If you want open borders, have the intellectual honesty to actually argue for that,  instead of using euphemisms.

    they are not illegal (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:59:49 AM EST
    they are undocumented, present without proper papers. Many came legally and overstayed their visas. Many have committed no crime, only a violation of civil laws.  

    On this site, as it should be everywhere, the correct term is undocumented resident.

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    Is it too much to ask..... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 08:46:23 AM EST
    for the rules to respect the basic human dignity of the people?

    If the rules state that traveling to where the getting is good is a crime, then the problem lies with the rules, not with the people harmed by the rules.

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    Heh. (1.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:04:32 AM EST
    For an immigrant to get a chance to stay here, he wants a confession and then the undocumented resident will "go to the back of the line." That sounds racistly reminiscent to me of "go to the back of the bus."

    Democratic Commentator Pushes the Racist Button

    It's so typical.

    Rascists deserve tolerence, of course. (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Edger on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:14:46 AM EST
    They's jes' good ole boys, right Gabe?

    I wonder what can be done about them...

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    "confession"? (none / 0) (#14)
    by Sumner on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 10:40:02 AM EST
    handy while in sanctuary

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    Criticize Israel (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:58:19 PM EST
    in anyway and the hysterical A.S card comes out so fast and so often, you'd think he was David Copperfield.

    Typical shmypical.

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    A National ID solves problems (1.00 / 1) (#16)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:48:39 AM EST
    Jeralyn, it is your site, and I hope you won't censor me for using the term "illegal aliens." But that is exactly what part of the people described are.

    They are here illegally, be it a civil violation or criminal, and they are alien to this country. I see nothing improper or disrespectful in describing people who have came across the border without permission as such.

    If you have people who obtained a visa, came here legally and have now overstayed that visa, I would say they are now "undocumented." They have lost, by their or other's actions, what they previously had.

    These two groups deserve to be described in such a manner that we can understand their situation and behavior. I think the actions of the "illegal alien" are that they have crossed the border with no attempt to comply with our laws. Some come for work and look to stay. Some come for work and plan on returning and then change their minds. And yes, some may come to do us harm.

    The actions of the "Undocumented" are similar.  Some may have come legally to work but not stay. Some may have come legally to work and stay, or have decided to stay. Some may have come to visit and have decided to stay. And yes, some may have come to do us harm. But members of this group all had visas at some point. These I would describe as "undocumented foreign nationals." They have lost what they had.

    The waves of immigrants that arrived in the 19th and early 20th century were received, examined and documented. Those arriving illegally were not a particular problem. For both groups the country was huge, under populated and featured almost limitless opportunities for manual labor.

    That is no longer true. The country is no longer under populated and manual labor jobs are scarce. Worse, the presence of both groups depresses the cost of labor. Especially for manual labor provided by our underclass citizens. It helps only a portion of the middle class and above, and delays technology advances in agriculture by keeping the cost of labor low.

    From a culture viewpoint, a continual high rate of immigration, legal and illegal provides problems with assimilation into our culture. Some nut cases run around saying they will take back the southwest. This only fuel the flames of those who feel we aren't defending the borders and take action on their own. Putting that aside we have 11,000,000 to 15,000,000 people here now and no matter what you call them, with 1,000,000  to 2,000,000 more coming  each year  this is a huge problem in assimilation.

    And yes. An almost open border, easy to obtain visas and almost no way of keeping up with people who enter the border legally, is a huge security problem.

    A national ID, which could also be used as a Driver's License by information on the ID, that is truly very difficult to forge, coupled with severe penalties for forgery and/or possession would be very positive step forward in solving many problems.

    That should be in the platform of any candidate.

    it comes down to this (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Sailor on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 12:51:17 PM EST
    From a culture viewpoint, a continual high rate of immigration, legal and illegal provides problems with assimilation into our culture.
    what you mean 'we,' whiteman?

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    Sailor loves Strawmen (1.00 / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 01:27:05 PM EST
    Unlike you sailor, I see America as a distinct culture, and not as a "race." The culture is made up of various races, and it is the blend that makes us what we are.

    Dumping large groups into the country without giving them time to become part of the culture only leads to balkanization of the country and the problems that always come with balkanization. If you truly do not understand and know this then I invite you to study history, especially that of central/eastern Europe. For a modern view we can see the problems in Europe, particularly in France, Sweden, Netherlands and England where a large group of Moslem immigrants were brought in very quickly and no effort was made to assist assimilation into the existing culture, but rather "diversity" was declared to be the guiding philsophy.

    Diversity is just another way of saying, "Separate but equal." We know from experience that this always equates into one group dominating another, and have spent a great deal of time and effort in getting rid of it. That we still haven't completed the task speaks to the evil allure of it.

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    ppj once again demonstrates his ignorance ... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Sailor on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:29:49 PM EST
    ... of the meaning of the term 'strawman.'

    Your ultrawhite redneck little slice o' germany is not America. It is an increasingly small part of what makes up America and thank  god for that. You violent 29%ers have trashed this country's reputation in the world, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, trashed the constitution and your personal insistence on forced military service and against education not approved by der leader come right out of 30's germany.

    America is big enough for all kinds of Americans, and almost all of originally came from somewhere else and brought their culture with them. Then they picked up some from other cultures around them.

    America is not, and can never be, one culture. And it shouldn't be. We are stronger for our diversity, you should make an attempt to sample other cultures and incorporate them into your, not rigidly insist some fantasy that only you hold be imposed on others.

    it's called freedom, try it, you'll like it.


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    Are you sure you are not (1.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 02:17:48 PM EST
    gonna teach'em how to play Holdem... and tell'em they should raise every time they have a 72 suited??

    ;-)

    agitprop politicos (none / 0) (#1)
    by Sumner on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:14:35 AM EST
    But we already know that government lies. "Child pornography is a $30 billion annual business" was one lie being advanced in order to get the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act.

    That was but one of many ridiculous lies, in pursuit of Draconian laws. And yet most people are still loathe to see how alike America is to Islamic Fundamentalist nations, despite a Constitutional guarantees to the contrary.

    We know that government has spent billions of dollars to create these myths. Divide and conquer totalitarian tactics ought to be generally obvious right now. If empowered in the Total Surveillance Society, the real über perv types like (deep pockets) Romney will have a field day in voyeurism and state/sexual slavery.

    Occasionally some daring writer tells it more like it is, such as CounterPunch published once again.

    Great essay, DAVID ROSEN.

    as to the pathological prudes (none / 0) (#2)
    by Sumner on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:44:51 AM EST
    Clueless, crazy and just plain creepy (none / 0) (#3)
    by kovie on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 03:59:02 AM EST
    GOP: Gasbags, Oligarchs and Putzes. With a decidedly neofascist bent, becoming increasingly overt and shrill as its desperation rises. You can almost smell it.

    I fully expect half the field to come out and openly say that if you vote for a Democrat, you will die. Oh, wait, hasn't Rudy already said that? Never mind.

    Cheney certainly did in the 4 election. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:12:43 AM EST
    Missing the reality. Intentional? (none / 0) (#15)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 11:44:23 AM EST
    Myth:
    "Most sexual assaults are committed by strangers."

    Fact:
    Most sexual assaults are committed by someone known to the victim or the victim's family, regardless of whether the victim is a child or an adult.

    As for child victims: Approximately 60% of boys and 80% of girls who are sexually victimized are abused by someone known to the child or the child's family (Lieb, Quinsey, and Berliner, 1998). Relatives, friends, baby-sitters, persons in positions of authority over the child, or persons who supervise children are more likely than strangers to commit a sexual assault.

    The online predator clearly fits in the category of stranger.

    Well, in my experience (and that of my brother and two of my neighbors), the guy who molested us when we were children was a complete stranger...until he wasn't.

    ie., until he accomplished his goal of becoming our "friend."

    iow, I think the MO of many child predators, whether they're on-line or driving the neighborhood Good Humor ice-cream truck, is to "befriend" the child in order to carry out their plans.

    They certainly may be strangers from the point of view of the parents and/or other adults, but maybe not so much from the child's POV...

    Some of the Sept. 11, 2001, perps were here (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 01:36:37 PM EST
    on student visas which had expired.  The U.S. government has given up on implementing a system to track persons holding student visas so the gov't. can deport them after the visa expires.  Unless the U.S. citizenry is willing to accept a national I.D. system for all, it seems to me flapping our gums about undocumented persons is a big waste of time.  The U.S. citizenry won't accept a national I.D. system, although it is the norm in Europe.  

    Good point. Also, (none / 0) (#34)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:06:13 PM EST
    As for child victims: Approximately 60% of boys and 80% of girls who are sexually victimized are abused by someone known to the child or the child's family (Lieb, Quinsey, and Berliner, 1998).
    what is the percentage of boys and girls who are sexually victimized by someone known to the child but not to the child's family?

    iow, what is the percentage of boys and girls who are sexually victimized by someone the child "meets" on-line or at the neighborhood swimming pool whom the parents have no knowledge of?

    Significantly higher than 20% and 40%, I'd wager...

    imo, whether the predator is a "stranger" to the child he or she sexually abuses is the pertinent information, not whether or not the predator is a stranger to the child's parents.

    So statistically, whether a victim is likely to know an offender or not is irrelevant of whether we should lock up offenders.


    Or they could eliminate those laws (none / 0) (#37)
    by Sumner on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 05:59:27 PM EST
    Billions of dollars for propaganda have been spent to get your mind bent like that.

    Makes little sense that you could resist.

    Speaking of little sense, (none / 0) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 06:06:38 PM EST
    who or what are you responding to? Ah, never mind, have a good night everybody!

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    National ID Card (none / 0) (#47)
    by diogenes on Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 09:27:03 PM EST
    What exactly is wrong with a national ID card like the ones used by a number of enlightened European countries?

    Nothing (5.00 / 0) (#49)
    by Alien Abductee on Thu Aug 16, 2007 at 05:45:30 PM EST
    wrong with a national ID card - the problem is it wouldn't be being used in an enlightened European country.

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